Is clipperz dead?

[weu]

Hi, I'm following clipperz for a while, having an account/installation
on my server too. But it seems that has been a while since the last
update (both as source and blog). Is still this project be active? It
would be a pity to lose a such great product. What is the ETA for some
updates? Any roadmap?

[Marco Barulli]

Hi,
Clipperz is not dead at all! :-)

We are completing the new "gamma" version that will have new features
and a completely redesigned interface. You can already start using it,
just go to
https://www.clipperz.com/gamma
and login with your usual Clipperz credential

You will enjoy a lightning fast search/filter and a better way to
create and manage direct logins.
It's still not complete, but quite usable.
Few days ago we released a much faster and polished version. I'm sure
you will enjoy it.

As soon as the "gamma" is ready to be open to the public we will bring
the same look and functionality to the Community Edition. Given our
very limited resources we are unable to announce a precise roadmap,
but we are confident to complete the "gamma" quite soon, since most of
the hard work has been done.

I hope to have time to write again on the blog, in the meanwhile I
will post quick bits on Twitter (http://twitter.com/clipperz), come
and follow us!

Thanks for your patience and help us in spreading the word!
We won't give up, preserving our privacy and security using
zero-knowledge web apps is too exciting.

Regards,
Marco

PS
And donations are always welcome! :-)

2010/1/23 weu <weupbi...@gmail.com>:

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[weu]

Hi Marco, thank you for yout reply. I've tried the gamma version. And
it's way better than the current one (beta?), still it's kinda too
much flashy (=too much animations, just time lost seeing some cool
stuff, IMHO. e.g. when you open a card, cancel it, and confirm, you
have so much animations which just slow down your browser and most
important your work).

I've some suggestions for you:

- it miss a simple and easy way of copying the username/password of a
given card. This is could be kinda hard as labels can be set as we
want... but you could add a check near the label to permit a fast copy
in the index page (useful when you don't use clipperz compact and you
manually insert the passwords in the forms)

- I don't see anything in the settings, but I think it's because it's
still an alpha/beta version of the gamma one

- with the current clipperz I noticed that passwords are 19
characters, but sometimes websites limit passwords to 12-15 chars, so
it would be nice to have in the generator (when adding a card) a way
to set how many chars the password should be

- I don't see anymore the password generator when adding a card

- saving cards sometime freeze the page

- saving a card, when it freeze, press cancel, when you try to open
that card again it say "undefined", and the card is lost. after a
refresh it seem to work again

- it's kinda slow of open cards (sometime) and saving them (almost
always)

- it would be nice if the workspace locks itself automatically when
not used after a while (you could forgot the tab open, and you don't
want that someone go into your password account, don't you?)

- and please..... add a tag or category like system to cards. The
search it's very useful, but sometimes you want to see just home or
work passwords and not all, maybe you have two different account for
them on the same site. I think that adding the search to fields other
than the name should solve this problem, as we'd add a field Tag, and
then the tags as value. This would probably be the fastest way of
doing it, obviously a given "tag" field (as the note one) with the tag
management and a tag cloud would be even better

Btw great work guys, thank you for your effort

[Brent Goodrick]

(Disclaimer: My comments are from a beta user, not a gamma user, so ignore anything I say that has been dealt with appropriately with the gamma version.)

I second Weu's comments, specifically about keeping animations to a minimum for performance reasons. 

With respect to Weu's "simple and easy way of copying" comment: Is it possible to tie the act of single left-mouse-clicking on the "stars" of a password to then cause the password to be copied to the clipboard, versus requiring the user to then type CTRL-C?  I suspect it is not possible to do in a browser-agnostic fashion, and if so, then forget I suggested it.

Thanks,
bg

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[giulio...@gmail.com]

Hello Brent,

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Brent Goodrick <bgo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (Disclaimer: My comments are from a beta user, not a gamma user, so ignore
> anything I say that has been dealt with appropriately with the gamma
> version.)
>
> I second Weu's comments, specifically about keeping animations to a minimum
> for performance reasons.

animations are really useful to let a new user understand what is going on.
We may try to allow a customizations on their duration, but we are not
going to remove them altogether.
Compared to crypto computations, animations are really light on the computer.

You may also try the /gamma version where a new "self-tuning" version
of the crypto algorithm allow greatly improved performances on WebKit
based browsers (Safari/Chrome).

> With respect to Weu's "simple and easy way of copying" comment: Is it
> possible to tie the act of single left-mouse-clicking on the "stars" of a
> password to then cause the password to be copied to the clipboard, versus
> requiring the user to then type CTRL-C?  I suspect it is not possible to do
> in a browser-agnostic fashion, and if so, then forget I suggested it.

This feature is possible only using Flash; security policy on all
modern browsers do not allow Javascript access to the clipboard
(neither for setting its value, nor for reading it).

At the moment it is not possible to completely embed Flash "movies"
into an HTML page; the content of the movie needs to be downloaded
with a real (http://...) url (we can not provide the content with a
data:// url).
This will break our "zero-knowledge web architecture", and we are not
going to compromise on our security model.

We have tried this combination in the new bookmarklet (available on
the /gamma version of the application), but personally I am not 100%
sold on the solution yet.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Giulio Cesare

[weu]

Hi Giulio, yes, animations helps, but sometimes they just slow down
the work imho.
Btw, do you plan to add tags/categories to the gamma version? Or will
we have to wait until the next release (delta?)
Thank you

[giulio...@gmail.com]

Hello,

the /gamma interface has been designed to include also tagging.
We will start working on tagging/sharing once we have re-implemented
all the features now available in the /beta.

I still don't know in which order we will tackle the new features as,
for regular use, the need for tagging has been greatly reduced by the
availability of search.

Regards,

Giulio Cesare

[david whiting]

I agree that the search in gamma makes tagging less of an issue. I have recently started using the gamma version routinely and the search is great. I have implemented tagging by adding tags to the title, e.g. (using fake entries):

gmail #email #personal

yahoo #email #personal

my website #personal 

company email #work

company intranet #work

working from home #junk

Then when I want to look at email cards I just search for #email. Using the # helps to exclude some entries that might have the tag word in the actual title (e.g. 'work' in the examples above). Perhaps this is not ideal from an aesthetic point of few, but the search is so fast that I don't care. I am also finding that I tend to search on the real name more than the tag anyway.

David

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David Whiting

[weu]

David, I didn't think about something like that... I've just tried and
it can be a possible solution for now :)
I just only hope that the search will be added to the compact version,
in order to use it there too....
Now I've just to wait until the gamma is released and install it on my
home server :)

[weu]

On Jan 25, 9:55 am, Marco Barulli <marco.baru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Given our
> very limited resources we are unable to announce a precise roadmap,
> but we are confident to complete the "gamma" quite soon, since most of
> the hard work has been done.

Hi Marco, are you able to say approx how much that quite soon is? Like
February, March, April, or Q1, Q2, and so on.. Just to have an idea :)
Thank you

[Marco Barulli]

Let's say Q1!
... March 31st? :-)

Marco

[weu]

Marco, if you do it for the 31st of march, you will be my new hero :)

[bolshi]

Hello Marco, hello Giulio,

On Feb 6, 12:28 am, weu <weupbiegh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Marco, if you do it for the 31st of march, you will be my new hero :)

I am right that you announce the new release on 31st of March? That
would be really amazing. I tried to test the gamma version. There's no
way to login. I work on MacBookPro with OS X 10.6.2 and the newest
version of Firefox, Safari and Opera.

Stay in contact.

Greetings, Ingo

[Marco Barulli]

Hi Ingo,
make sure to run release 1864 (check bottom right corner), we had some
login issue on a previous one, but now they are solved.

Marco

[bolshi]

Hi Marco,
I tried again. There's no way to 'Free sign up'. Even nothing happens
if I try to login by using a one-time-passphrase. See the screenshot I
made: http://ip.ateam.de/try-clipperz-gamma-%202010-02-06%20um%2018.39.33.png

Ingo

On Feb 6, 6:01 pm, Marco Barulli <marco.baru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ingo,
> make sure to run release 1864 (check bottom right corner), we had some
> login issue on a previous one, but now they are solved.
>
> Marco
>

> On 6 February 2010 15:47, bolshi <ingo.pre...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello Marco, hello Giulio,
>
> > On Feb 6, 12:28 am, weu <weupbiegh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Marco, if you do it for the 31st of march, you will be my new hero :)
>
> > I am right that you announce the new release on 31st of March? That
> > would be really amazing. I tried to test the gamma version. There's no
> > way to login. I work on MacBookPro with OS X 10.6.2 and the newest
> > version of Firefox, Safari and Opera.
>
> > Stay in contact.
>
> > Greetings, Ingo
>
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[Marco Barulli]

Hi Ingo,
you still cannot create a new account on the "gamma", you need to sign
up with the "beta" and then you can use those credentials to login on
the "gamma".

Sorry for the inconvenience!
Marco

[giulio...@gmail.com]

Hello Ingo,

OTPs are still not supported in /gamma.

If you have tried logging in the /gamma version with valid credentials
(credentials that let you successfully log in the /beta version) and
failed, please get in touch with me (possibly at my clipperz email
account - same username), because this should not happen and I would
like to investigate the issue further.

Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for the support.

Giulio Cesare

[benargh]

I wanted to confirm that this is the case as my credentials don't work
in the gamma but do in the beta. Btw, great software which I just
started using.

On Feb 7, 1:49 am, "giulio.ces...@gmail.com" <giulio.ces...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Ingo,
>
> OTPs are still not supported in /gamma.
>
> If you have tried logging in the /gamma version with valid credentials
> (credentials that let you successfully log in the /beta version) and
> failed, please get in touch with me (possibly at my clipperz email
> account - same username), because this should not happen and I would
> like to investigate the issue further.
>
> Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for the support.
>
> Giulio Cesare
>

[giulio...@gmail.com]

Hello,

could you please try to log into the /gamma version using Firefox +
Firebug, and report back the content of the Javascript console?

That would be really helpful in understanding what is going on.
A screenshot of the page would also help.

Regards,

Giulio Cesare

[benargh]

I am using Firefox 3.6
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/
20100115 Firefox/3.6

Here is a link to the screenshot (would have uploaded it here but
apparently no file upload with this group).
http://drop.io/jx9jjsj/asset/failed-login-screenshot-png

Output from Firebug
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Console panel is disabled

Use Firebug's status bar icon to enable/disable all panels at once.
Use each panel's tab menu for individual control.
"enabling javascript debugger to support console"
DEBUG: ERROR [Proxy.processMessage] MochiKit.Async.GenericError("[v.
2.0.4 October 8 2007] Validation has failed.")
DEBUG: ERROR [Connction.redeemOTP] MochiKit.Async.GenericError("[v.
2.0.4 October 8 2007] Validation has failed.")
DEBUG: ERROR [Is the passphrase an OTP <then>]
MochiKit.Async.GenericError("[v.2.0.4 October 8 2007] Validation has
failed.")
DEBUG: ERROR [Proxy.processMessage] MochiKit.Async.GenericError("[v.
2.0.4 October 8 2007] Validation has failed.")
DEBUG: ERROR [Connction.redeemOTP] MochiKit.Async.GenericError("[v.
2.0.4 October 8 2007] Validation has failed.")
DEBUG: ERROR [Is the passphrase an OTP <then>]
MochiKit.Async.GenericError("[v.2.0.4 October 8 2007] Validation has
failed.")
DEBUG: ERROR [User.handleConnectionFallback - failed]
Clipperz.PM.DataModel.User.exception.LoginFailed()
DEBUG: ERROR [User.login]
Clipperz.PM.DataModel.User.exception.LoginFailed()
DEBUG: ERROR [User.handleConnectionFallback - retry]
Clipperz.PM.DataModel.User.exception.LoginFailed()
DEBUG: ERROR [User.login]
Clipperz.PM.DataModel.User.exception.LoginFailed()
ERROR: ## MainController - FAILED LOGIN:
Clipperz.PM.DataModel.User.exception.LoginFailed()
<html>
<head>
</head>
<body>
</body>
</html>

On Feb 25, 3:28 am, "giulio.ces...@gmail.com"

<giulio.ces...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> could you please try to log into the /gamma version using Firefox +
> Firebug, and report back the content of the Javascript console?
>
> That would be really helpful in  understanding what is going on.
> A screenshot of the page would also help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Giulio Cesare
>

[giulio...@gmail.com]

Hello,

is it possible that your passphrase is exactly 32 character long
(without counting spaces, tabs and dashes)?

Regards,

Giulio Cesare