Mingei Article

[Lee]

Interesting article! "A Revaluation of Morris's Influence in
Japan."JWMS 12.4 (Spring 1998): 21-28. By Chiaki Ajioka Explaiins how
Hamada an the other artist founders of Mingei disagreed with Soetsu
Yanagi.

http://www.morrissociety.org/JWMS/SP98.12.4.Ajioka.pdf

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[bill geisinger]

This article is very interesting. It comes at a good time for me as I was wondering about some of the similarities of both. It is nice to read this Thanks Lee! I know we'll never know the real truth and we will have to determine it for ourselves. This is one of the steps we take.

bill in sebastopol

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[Lee]

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:57 PM, bill geisinger <geis...@deanza.edu> wrote:
> This article is very interesting. It comes at a good time for me as I was
> wondering about some of the similarities of both. It is nice to read this
> Thanks Lee! I know we'll never know the real truth and we will have to
> determine it for ourselves. This is one of the steps we take.

Bill,
I am not sure what you mean by never knowing the real
truth? What the author writes is supported by writings by Hamada and
others. It is supported by what I have been exposed to.

In time, we will have more translated. We are only limited by the
fact that most of what we know right now, is through what Leach
presented us.

[bill geisinger]

Lee,
Real truth by having a conversation with Yanagi. Yes I believe writings like these help us understand and develop our own thoughts. I believe Leach had his own angle to all that was being said.

bill in sebastopol

[Lee]

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:22 AM, bill geisinger <geis...@deanza.edu> wrote:
> Lee,
> Real truth by having a conversation with Yanagi. Yes I believe writings like
> these help us understand and develop our own thoughts. I believe Leach had
> his own angle to all that was being said.

There is no question about what Yanagi thought. He wrote extensively.
His museum is full of anonymous work and the work of studio potters
like Hamada, Leach, Tomimoto, Kawaii, Serizawa and Shimaoka.
MacKenzie sent a group of American work to be in the Mingeikan. The
sales shop at the Mingeikan is mostly full of lifeless souvenir work.

I attended the panel discussion between his son Sori, Mackenzie and Shimaoka.

We can talk about it here. He acknowledged the individual
artist. As the article explains, it was folks that came afterward,
in 1953, that split off the purest that only focused on anonymous
folks craft. Basically, what they did was turn Mingei into souvenir
work.

[Lee]

I uploaded this article by Yanagi in 2005. You can read it here.
The Dharma Gate Of Beauty:

http://ikiru.blogspot.com/2005_12_11_ikiru_archive.html#113431082332106529

[bill geisinger]

Lee I am referring to Yanagi and Morris's influence in his thinking. Maybe he was maybe he wasn't. I know he says no. However is seems he was. Interesting. Having a conversation about that point directly could help me understand it.

bill

thanks for the post of the other article. I look forward to reading it tonight.

[Lee]

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM, bill geisinger <geis...@deanza.edu> wrote:
> Lee I am referring to Yanagi and Morris's influence in his thinking. Maybe
> he was maybe he wasn't. I know he says no. However is seems he was.
> Interesting. Having a conversation about that point directly could help me
> understand it.

I don't see how he could avoid it, with the Shirakaba group and his
interaction with Tomimoto and Leach. Even if it was indirect, those
folks sharing perspectives without crediting Morris. The Shirakaba
group published translations of Whitman and Blake and corresponded
with Rodin. The Meiji Japanese were very familiar with Western
ideas.

Also, Kazuo Okakura had similar ideas related to the fine arts,
trying to preserve it in the face of global modernism. He worked
with Felinosa and was a curator of the Asian section of the Boston
museum.

Where Yanagi was unique was in his use of buddhist principles to
explain his approach to folkcraft. That is original work. Read the
Dharma Gate Of Beauty.

[L BURCH]

Bill,

Better yet D/L the pdf file from: http://www.fire-and-earth.net/fileadmin/pictures/DharmaGate.pdf. An easier read.

[bill geisinger]

Dharma Gate of beauty is a lot to think about! Wow. I am learning. I have done a quick read and will have to set down with it and read it slowly and over  and over to think through it all.

Thank you Lee  and L Burch sorry I don't know your name. Is there any place on the web you know of to get writings in english from the Shirakaba group?

bill in sebastopol

[Lee]

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:57 PM, bill geisinger <geis...@deanza.edu> wrote:
> Dharma Gate of beauty is a lot to think about! Wow. I am learning. I have
> done a quick read and will have to set down with it and read it slowly and
> over  and over to think through it all.
>
> Thank you Lee  and L Burch sorry I don't know your name. Is there any place
> on the web you know of to get writings in english from the Shirakaba group?

Welcome Bill!

I am OCR ing it right now. Will post the text when I have it.
I know a bit about the subject Yanagi is writing about.
He was attempting to create a pureland/tariki counterpart to the
zen/jiriki perspective that was well established, especially evident
in the tea ceremony and the related arts. The interesting thing is
that his audience is the intelligentsia, because the anonymous
craftsman is disappearing and was by definition, illiterate. So,
primarily, he is speaking to the connoisseur and collection in all us
educated people.

Of course, jiriki/tariki is not exclusive to either path.
Both contain the other. For example, there is devotional aspects of
zen.

Be great to discuss these things here!

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http://mingeisota.blogspot.com

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[Revathi Valluri]

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I didn't check, It's Hi every body,

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[Revathi Valluri]

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