Glenmoriston Grants of Moose Creek -Submitted by Cynthia Phillips

[Anita Steele]

Most of the information we have of our relationship with the Glenmoriston Grants comes from the book, "Days Into Decades".

I've included info from the book, tracing to my grandmother. At the back of the book, there is quite a detailed listing of all of the relations related to her siblings, including the males. Some of Cynthia's brothers settled in New Liskeard, Ontario where there is quite the Grant presence.

The book is filled with anecdotes and stories pertaining to all who came through Peter and Nina.  

All responses appreciated.                        

p.31 - the Muster Roll of Prince Charles Stuarts'Army 1745-46,lists 9 John Grants from Glenmoriston, all of whom were taken prisoner and transported. One was Big John Robber,known in Gaelic as Ian Mohr na Cathern....It would be 14 years before Big John was set free and allowed to return to Scotland...

p.36 - The Pearl was one of the sailing vessels making regular trips across the Atlantic.

p.37 - A year later (1773) the Pearl once again set firth for America with a large party of Highlanders on board, including a number of families from Glengarry and Glenmoriston. Amoung the family of Grants aboard the Pearl that fall was that of Big John the Robber...his son Angus was in charge of the family party. Angus was married to Ellen MacDonell of Leek whose father was Captain Archibald Macdonell.

October 18,1773, the Pearl reached New York

October 28- they sailed up the Hudson to Albany

Spring of 1774, they settled on land owned by Sir William Johnson in the Mohawk Valley of Tryon County in New York.

Over 50 Highland families settled on the Kingsborough Patent, a 50,000 acre estate four miles north of the Mohawk River near the village of Johnstown.

Later in 1774, other Highlanders (3 Macdonells, 2 Grants, a Murcheson and a McGillis) joined the Pearl immigrants.

p. 51 - Angus Grant (son of John the Robber) had 100 acres on Kingsborough Patent.Went to Canada in 1776; 1st Batalion,R.R.N.Y.Had a wife and five children. Settled in Charlottenburgh

(Kingsborough Rent Roll: 1904 Ontario Archives....)

In July 1776, Sir John Johnson (and followers) travelled up the Hudson River for 19 days and arrived at Montreal.

Haldimand Papers (1779 or 1780) shows Highlanders petitioning to be relocated to Canada.

p. 56 - Angus Grant (reports Rhodes Grant) was one of the scouts sent to look over land in now Charlottenburgh Township in Glengarry County (counties of Glengarry, Stormont and Dundas)

Claim (Montreal, 15th Novermber 1787- shows Angus resides on Riviere Raisin

Southern parts of the townships were surveyed in 1784- settlers began drawing lots.

Most went to Williamstown, near Martintown on Raisin River

p.57 - government land agent at Cornwall (then "New Johnstown")arranged for lands to be drawn from lotteries

p.69-Angus settled in what isknown as Martintown: Lot 24,Concession 1. House was named Ballaguachaidh,(meaning creek and small hill):pronounced Ballagooey.

p.71-Angus and his wife, had in total 10 children: John, Angus, Captain Alexander, Allan, Janet, Isabella, Christy, Margaret, Peter and Duncan.

p. 73  Angus son, Duncan (born 1777): ancestor of present-day Moose Creek Grants. He married Mary McMartin and had 9 children: John, Bella, Angus, Nancy, Nellie, Margaret, Jennie, Duncan and Peter

Peter (son of Duncan) was born April 12, 1813. He married Jane Ann (Nina) Morgan, born in the Montreal area.

After they married, they settledon ConcessionX (now Pineridge Road, Indian Lands) but eventually moved to Moose Creek. They raised 11 children: Mary, John, Ellen, Nancy, Duncan, Peter, Jennie, Angus, Jane, Mary and William.

MOOSE CREEK

p.88  John Grant, second child of Peter and Nina, was born on ConxessionX, Indian Lands October 10, 1837 and was married to Catherine (Katie) Stewart. He was known by both John Peter Grant and John Morgan Grant. After they were married in 1862, they moved to a log cabin in Moose Creek. (Roxorough county, 20 miles from Cornwall)

They had the ollowing children:

Duncan Lindsay (1863-1950) m. Catherine (Katie) Stewart (1839-1921)

Mary Jane (1865 -1968) m. Albert R. Giktbt (1859  1951)

Peter John (1867  1949) m. Annie Evelyn Clark (1896-1978)

Stewart 91868-1923) m. Jennie Henrotte

John James (1870-1931)m. Jessie Robertson (1862-1950)

Jane Ann (1872-1946) m. Archie Cameron

William Duncan (1878-1932) m. Mary Ventress

Florrey Cynthia (1880- 1972) m. Thomas Phillips

Florrey Cynthia inherited Moose Creek. She was my grandmother. She had an only son, Clifford (1922-1978)  my father.

[Penelope Anne Grant]

For a reply to Anita re.  "Days into Decades"  see the message from Jay Young that I posted on October 28.

[Stephanie Grant]

Hello,

This is my first email to the group, so hopefully this works.  I am quite new to my research of the Grants although much has been done by my husband’s grandfather before he passed in the 1980s.  He is a Glengarry Grant (from the Front) with origins in Glenmoriston.  All of this wonderful information is absolutely amazing me!  

Where can I find copies of the books that have been mentioned?  I am contemplating joining ancestry.ca to enter our family information to see if anyone can fill in the blanks.  I am most curious about an ancestor known as Sandy Cinq.

Thank you for all of the information you all share.  

Stephanie 

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[Anita Steele]

Hi, Stephanie,

A good tip for finding any book, is to first check with your local bookstores. They might have it. If not they may be able to order it for you. If it's an out of print book they may be able to find it for you. Amazon is another good place to search for in print and out of print books. For other sellers, "Google it".  Good luck. 

Anita

Stephanie 

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[MARILYN SILVA]

Hello,
 
I am Marilyn Silva, 1st cousin 4x removed of John Francis "Johnny" Grant.  I am related through the Breland line. Johnny's maternal grandparents, Pierre Duboishue Breland, (1758-1829) and Marie Louise Bilidau Belley, (1785-1836), are my 4x maternal great grandparents. His uncle, Pascal Breland, (1811-1896), married Marie Rose Grant, (1820-1889). According to the information I have on my tree, I can trace her line, and Johnny's father, Richard Grant, (1794-1862), back to Donald Grant, (1671-1738), and Henrietta Cuthbert, (1690-?), in Scotland. Can anyone tell me if this is correct? Thank-you in advance for any and all information. I look forward to hearing from you.
Marilyn
 

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[Elaine Trackl]

Hi Marilyn,
I can't help you with your lineage, however Johnny Grant's Mother is my Great Great Great Grandmother, and since she passed away early on in life, I know very little about the Breland side of my family.. would love to know more?
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[Stephanie Grant]

Hi Anita,

Thanks but I have already tried those routes. I was looking more for a small bookstore in the region, perhaps Ottawa, where someone might be able to find small family history books.  We used to have The Sanctuary in Cornwall but no longer do. 

Thank you

Stephanie

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[Anita Steele]

Hi, Marilyn. 

      Anita Steele here. I think we may have corresponded briefly in the past?

     I'm a descendant of Johnny Grant's oldest brother, Richard Stanislas Grant. There's actually a lot of info on our Grants. And a lot of unknowns. Some recent 'discoveries' are going to add a LOT more. What I can say here is that the earliest proven ancestor of Richard Grant  is John Grant in Inverlochy. It's thought that a Donald Grant in or of Inverlochy may be his father, but that conclusion hasn't yet been reached. At this point, John's mother is definitely unknown.  Pascal's wife was the daughter of Warden of the Plains Cuthbert Grant. According to the DNA, our Grants are the same line as the Chiefs of Grant, descending from Robert the Ambassador. We are, therefore, a cadet branch of the Chiefs.  In 2010, the current Chief of Grant, Sir James Grant, came to Winnipeg to make the Cuthbert Grant family a Sept of Clan Grant.  At the same time, he attended our reunion and named us the MacRobbie Grants of Trois-Rivieres.  According to the DNA, there is no relationship between Cuthbert's Grants & our Grants, but as you correctly point out, we are related by marriage.  If you're interested in viewing some biographies and pictures of our Grants and some of their connections you may be interested in viewing my site: http://william-grant-of-trois-rivieres-genealogy.ca/index.html    Under Charts  you'll also find a small one of Cuthbert Grant's lineage.

     An interesting note about Louise - she is better known as Louise Umphreville. She was a very powerful influence and secondly married John Rowand, Factor of Fort Edmonton, and had several more children. Which is how Richard Grant came to meet and marry Marie Anne Breland.  More charts on my site.

     Thanks for your post, Marilyn!  I hope this helps. I'd be interested in knowing more about your lineage.  

Anita

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:20:20 AM UTC-7, MARILYN SILVA wrote:

Hello,
 
I am Marilyn Silva, 1st cousin 4x removed of John Francis "Johnny" Grant.  I am related through the Breland line. Johnny's maternal grandparents, Pierre Duboishue Breland, (1758-1829) and Marie Louise Bilidau Belley, (1785-1836), are my 4x maternal great grandparents. His uncle, Pascal Breland, (1811-1896), married Marie Rose Grant, (1820-1889). According to the information I have on my tree, I can trace her line, and Johnny's father, Richard Grant, (1794-1862), back to Donald Grant, (1671-1738), and Henrietta Cuthbert, (1690-?), in Scotland. Can anyone tell me if this is correct? Thank-you in advance for any and all information. I look forward to hearing from you.
Marilyn
 

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