linux tooling mailing list

[Nick Desaulniers]

Hello Post Master,
During the Binutils BoF at Linux Plumbers Conf 2020, Peter had the
great idea to establish a toolchain agnostic mailing list for the
discussion of tooling related issues and requirements from kernel
developers so that we can list it from the MAINTAINERS file.

Would it be possible to setup:
linux-...@vger.kernel.org

(I'm open to bikeshedding about the list name, but "tools" should
probably be avoided:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tool)
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Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

[Sedat Dilek]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:53 PM 'Nick Desaulniers' via Clang Built
Linux <clang-bu...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Post Master,
> During the Binutils BoF at Linux Plumbers Conf 2020, Peter had the
> great idea to establish a toolchain agnostic mailing list for the

You say *a toolchain agnostic mailing*.

> discussion of tooling related issues and requirements from kernel
> developers so that we can list it from the MAINTAINERS file.
>
> Would it be possible to setup:
> linux-...@vger.kernel.org
>

So why don't you use it in the name of the mailing-list?

s/linux-tooling/linux-toolchains (better plural toolchains)

Thoughts?

- Sedat -

> (I'm open to bikeshedding about the list name, but "tools" should
> probably be avoided:
> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tool)
> --
> Thanks,
> ~Nick Desaulniers
>

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[Fāng-ruì Sòng]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:12 AM Sedat Dilek <sedat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:53 PM 'Nick Desaulniers' via Clang Built
> Linux <clang-bu...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Post Master,
> > During the Binutils BoF at Linux Plumbers Conf 2020, Peter had the
> > great idea to establish a toolchain agnostic mailing list for the
>
> You say *a toolchain agnostic mailing*.

This is a great idea:)

> > discussion of tooling related issues and requirements from kernel
> > developers so that we can list it from the MAINTAINERS file.
> >
> > Would it be possible to setup:
> > linux-...@vger.kernel.org
> >
>
> So why don't you use it in the name of the mailing-list?
>
> s/linux-tooling/linux-toolchains (better plural toolchains)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Sedat -

FWIW FreeBSD names it "freebsd-toolchain".
NetBSD names it "tech-toolchain".

I'd slightly prefer the singular form.

> > (I'm open to bikeshedding about the list name, but "tools" should
> > probably be avoided:
> > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tool)
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > ~Nick Desaulniers
> >
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[Sedat Dilek]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 7:04 PM Fāng-ruì Sòng <mas...@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:12 AM Sedat Dilek <sedat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:53 PM 'Nick Desaulniers' via Clang Built
> > Linux <clang-bu...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Post Master,
> > > During the Binutils BoF at Linux Plumbers Conf 2020, Peter had the
> > > great idea to establish a toolchain agnostic mailing list for the
> >
> > You say *a toolchain agnostic mailing*.
>
> This is a great idea:)
>
> > > discussion of tooling related issues and requirements from kernel
> > > developers so that we can list it from the MAINTAINERS file.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to setup:
> > > linux-...@vger.kernel.org
> > >
> >
> > So why don't you use it in the name of the mailing-list?
> >
> > s/linux-tooling/linux-toolchains (better plural toolchains)
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > - Sedat -
>
> FWIW FreeBSD names it "freebsd-toolchain".
> NetBSD names it "tech-toolchain".
>
> I'd slightly prefer the singular form.
>

OK with singular form.

I was thinking of GNU and LLVM toolchain*s* - that's why the plural.

Please, see also links below.

- Sedat -

[1] https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain
[2] https://www.netbsd.org/mailinglists/#tech-toolchain

[Nick Clifton]

Hi Guys,

>>>> Would it be possible to setup:
>>>> linux-...@vger.kernel.org

>>> s/linux-tooling/linux-toolchains (better plural toolchains)

>> FWIW FreeBSD names it "freebsd-toolchain".
>> NetBSD names it "tech-toolchain".
>>
>> I'd slightly prefer the singular form.

> OK with singular form.
>
> I was thinking of GNU and LLVM toolchain*s* - that's why the plural.

Personally I prefer the plural too, but it is not a big issue.

I am however delighted that it looks like this idea will go ahead.

Cheers
Nick

[Nick Desaulniers]

Hello postmaster,
Any thoughts on linux-to...@vger.kernel.org?

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Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

[Nick Desaulniers]

Does anyone know who's behind postm...@vger.kernel.org? Maybe I can
email them directly if perhaps they don't check this email often?
(Benefit of the doubt)

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Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

[Peter Zijlstra]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:25:40AM -0700, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> Does anyone know who's behind postm...@vger.kernel.org? Maybe I can
> email them directly if perhaps they don't check this email often?
> (Benefit of the doubt)

davem iirc.

[Nick Desaulniers]

Hi David,
Apologies if this request has crossed your desk already; I know my
unreads in my inbox seems to have doubled this week somehow...(should
I send them all to /dev/null? I think I should.)

From Linux Plumbers conf Binutils BoF, Peter had the idea of setting a
toolchain agnostic email list, and from the thread folks seem content
with linux-to...@vger.kernel.org. Is this something you would be
able to help set up for us? If not, is this something you can help
delegate to someone else to set up (any pointers who I should talk to
in that regard)?

The full thread:
https://groups.google.com/g/clang-built-linux/c/GLEkFKlDXfo (sorry I
didn't cc lkml sooner for a proper lore link; I myself am ~1 more bug
away from switching away from google groups forever).
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Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

[David Miller]

From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesau...@google.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:29:38 -0700

> linux-to...@vger.kernel.org

Created.

[Nick Clifton]

Hi Guys,

>> linux-to...@vger.kernel.org
> Created.

I have been able to subscribe to this list, so it looks like thunderbirds are go...

Cheers
Nick

[Sedat Dilek]

I am subscribed, too.

Will there be a(n)...?

* archive (for example marc.info)
* patchwork url

- Sedat -

[1] https://github.com/ClangBuiltLinux/linux/issues/1170

[Segher Boessenkool]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 02:01:13PM +0200, Sedat Dilek wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:26 AM David Miller <da...@davemloft.net> wrote:
> > From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesau...@google.com>
> > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:29:38 -0700
> > > linux-to...@vger.kernel.org
> >
> > Created.
>
> I am subscribed, too.
>
> Will there be a(n)...?
>
> * archive (for example marc.info)

A lore archive would be good?

> * patchwork url

We do not have any repositories associated with this list, and there
won't be many patches anyway, so patchwork will only be useful as a kind
of mail archive. I can ask to set one up though, if people want that?


Segher

[Randy Dunlap]

On 10/2/20 10:22 AM, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 02:01:13PM +0200, Sedat Dilek wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:26 AM David Miller <da...@davemloft.net> wrote:
>>> From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesau...@google.com>
>>> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:29:38 -0700
>>>> linux-to...@vger.kernel.org
>>>
>>> Created.
>>
>> I am subscribed, too.
>>
>> Will there be a(n)...?
>>
>> * archive (for example marc.info)
>
> A lore archive would be good?

That has already been requested.

>
>> * patchwork url
>
> We do not have any repositories associated with this list, and there
> won't be many patches anyway, so patchwork will only be useful as a kind
> of mail archive. I can ask to set one up though, if people want that?
>
>
> Segher
>

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~Randy

[Nick Desaulniers]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 10:37 AM Randy Dunlap <rdu...@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> On 10/2/20 10:22 AM, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 02:01:13PM +0200, Sedat Dilek wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:26 AM David Miller <da...@davemloft.net> wrote:
> >>> From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesau...@google.com>
> >>> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:29:38 -0700
> >>>> linux-to...@vger.kernel.org
> >>>
> >>> Created.
> >>
> >> I am subscribed, too.
> >>
> >> Will there be a(n)...?
> >>
> >> * archive (for example marc.info)
> >
> > A lore archive would be good?
>
> That has already been requested.

Hi David,
Thank you for setting up the mailing list. I appreciate it. Now that
the lore archive has been set up
(https://lore.kernel.org/linux-toolchains/), would you mind linking to
it from http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html under archives of
linux-toolchains?

>
> >
> >> * patchwork url
> >
> > We do not have any repositories associated with this list, and there
> > won't be many patches anyway, so patchwork will only be useful as a kind
> > of mail archive. I can ask to set one up though, if people want that?

Personally, I haven't been using patchwork. I know some maintainers
use it to keep track of reviews of lots of patches, but other than
that is there a major use case for patchwork I'm missing?

> >
> >
> > Segher
> >
>
>
> --
> ~Randy
>


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Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

[Sedat Dilek]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 7:50 PM Nick Desaulniers <ndesau...@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 10:37 AM Randy Dunlap <rdu...@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 10/2/20 10:22 AM, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 02:01:13PM +0200, Sedat Dilek wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:26 AM David Miller <da...@davemloft.net> wrote:
> > >>> From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesau...@google.com>
> > >>> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:29:38 -0700
> > >>>> linux-to...@vger.kernel.org
> > >>>
> > >>> Created.
> > >>
> > >> I am subscribed, too.
> > >>
> > >> Will there be a(n)...?
> > >>
> > >> * archive (for example marc.info)
> > >
> > > A lore archive would be good?
> >
> > That has already been requested.
>
> Hi David,
> Thank you for setting up the mailing list. I appreciate it. Now that
> the lore archive has been set up
> (https://lore.kernel.org/linux-toolchains/), would you mind linking to
> it from http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html under archives of
> linux-toolchains?
>

Updating MAINTAINERS file came to my mind... Dunno where ro place the
new ML info?

- Sedat -

[David Miller]

From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesau...@google.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 10:50:35 -0700

> Now that the lore archive has been set up
> (https://lore.kernel.org/linux-toolchains/), would you mind linking to
> it from http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html under archives of
> linux-toolchains?

Done.