Shhh! I'm Taking Grot Kesh!

[lazidawg29]

"From the horrid chaos, that had previously erupted in the northeast,
came a massive force of soldiers. The conflict spawned many deserters
and even more unemployed mercenaries. They moved in a mass formation,
marching across central toketi to return to their homelands. But
during their travels, many were approached by a mysterious and
charismatic figure. He made an acceptable and well-founded argument to
the men. Why should the land be ruled by an inactive leader, such a
vast and bountiful land unused, forgotten. He made them men promises
of land, wealth and glory. And so, for the province of Grot Kesh, the
ancient drums of war were heard once again."

Shhh!!! don't tell tsuade. :D

Summary:I deploy my orbat deep in Grot Kesh away from population
centers and were soldiers are stationed.
Army group 1 (400 infantry, 10 special snipers, 30 starstreak hvm
teams, 30 M3 MAAWS teams, and 10 Bushmaster Protected Mobility
Vehicles) Advance towards Dekiru City.
Army group 2 (600 infantry, 55 special snipers, 60 starstreak hvm
teams, 60 M3 MAAWS teams, 25 Pzh 2000's, and 40 Bushmaster Protected
Mobility Vehicles) Advance towards Dekinai City.
Army group 3 (1000 infantry, 80 special snipers, 90 starstreak hvm
teams, 90 M3 MAAWS teams, 35 Pzh 2000's, and 50 Bushmaster Protected
Mobility Vehicles) Advance towards Hamuji.
Naval group 1 (1 Frigate) enters harbor of Hamuji and crushes all
resistance.
I, as of now, make an official claim to the now contested province of
Grot Kesh.

And remember... DONT tell Tsuade... <.< >.>

[Roman]

I believe this action is justified and I will not take action, if
anything be looking forward to an alliance or non-aggression pact.

[Bayen ronToketi]

You do know Tsunade gets these emails as well, Lazidawg?  Not that secret...  :P

[lazidawg29]

Then I must pray to the gods of inactivity, jeez, who would use their
friday night for toketi? :D

[Erin]

How did you randomly get deep within Grot Kesh. You did not teleport, so you must have traveled through the borders. I have soldiers stationed in the country, so you would have been spotted before getting anywhere near a deep part of Grot Kesh. I don't keep soldiers at the Hamuji bay. Also I'm not inactive.


Tsunade received a call from some soldiers along the northeastern border. "Ma'am, we have reports of an army approaching from the distance. What should we do?"

"Just retreat and keep an eye on them." Tsunade hung up the phone and dialed a new number. The airstrip commander picked up. "Alright, there is a army in Grot Kesh to the northeast. I want you to get the 4 bombers out there and bomb the crap out of them. You got that?"

"Yes ma'am." The four bombers that had been on standby started to head out toward the reported location. They flew at top speed until they saw the beginings of the army. One bomber dropped its bombs toward the front of the army. Two others aimed for the middle, and largest, part of the army. The last bomber covered the rear end of the army. As they bombed, the rest of Tsunade's soldiers mobilized in the hidden bunkers, preparing to attack the remnants of the army.

[Gerk Whitman]

good luck with that, Lazi... :D

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[lazidawg29]

These territories are hundreds and thousands of square miles and so
are the borders; to even think that anyone could know what's going on
in every little square inch of land all the time is preposterous. How
many square-miles is Grot Kesh? Are your troops screening the entire
territory regularly? Or aren't they stationed in just a few positions?
Making the assumption that you know exactly were I am all because I am
in your territory is ridiculous!

"A non-eventful protocol stop in central Grot Kesh
-Who might you be, wandering out here? You know there are rumors of an
army within Grot Kesh. Its got the lord all flustered. They wouldn't
be you would they?
-Us? Soldiers? Ha! Hardy; my friends and I are just displaced citizens
form the recent conflict of the northeast. Were just passing through,
hope to settle down somewhere more peaceful. Here's my passport. I'm a
tokian citizen.
The stop went on as usual. Nothing out of the ordinary. If there was
an army, no one could tell between citizen and soldier; for in many
cases they were the same. Only for a few odd tracks, probably unfound,
in the wilderness, there'd be no real reason...yet... to assume that
there was any threat.

Summary: I'd say I'd be able to cross the border undetected with ease.
Unless you station a lookout every forth mile. Most of my infantry are
armed, but are real tokian citizens moving from the northeast. When
they do not want conflict, they don't carry their military supplies
when they confront soldiers. In fact, its hard for even themselves, at
times, to differentiate comrade from citizen. Most soldiers are
keeping low profile, traveling towards their destination. The vehicles
with a some soldiers are off-roading away from any populous at night.
I argue you wouldn't have seen anything out of the ordinary before and
now. So;
1. You can agree with me and recall the last bomber run.
2. You can stall more time with a rebuttal
3. You can follow through and run the risk of bombing your own
citizens

On Jan 16, 7:31 pm, "Gerk Whitman" <gerk.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> good luck with that, Lazi... :D
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Erin <evilsockea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > How did you randomly get deep within Grot Kesh. You did not teleport, so
> > you must have traveled through the borders. I have soldiers stationed in the
> > country, so you would have been spotted before getting anywhere near a deep
> > part of Grot Kesh. I don't keep soldiers at the Hamuji bay. Also I'm not
> > inactive.
>

> > *Tsunade received a call from some soldiers along the northeastern border.

> > "Ma'am, we have reports of an army approaching from the distance. What
> > should we do?"
>
> > "Just retreat and keep an eye on them." Tsunade hung up the phone and
> > dialed a new number. The airstrip commander picked up. "Alright, there is a
> > army in Grot Kesh to the northeast. I want you to get the 4 bombers out
> > there and bomb the crap out of them. You got that?"
>
> > "Yes ma'am." The four bombers that had been on standby started to head out
> > toward the reported location. They flew at top speed until they saw the
> > beginings of the army. One bomber dropped its bombs toward the front of the
> > army. Two others aimed for the middle, and largest, part of the army. The
> > last bomber covered the rear end of the army. As they bombed, the rest of
> > Tsunade's soldiers mobilized in the hidden bunkers, preparing to attack the

> > remnants of the army.*

[Bayen ronToketi]

As judge, I'd like to point out a few things.

1) Lazidawg could get past the border or deploy from inside.  Remember, one pixel is around 123 square kilometers - that's like trying to border patrol New England or something.  Plus, Tsunade deployed her OrBat after Lazidawg (*cough* and never posted about any patrols), so even if she sets up patrols now, Lazi is already inside.

2) Tsunade would definitely know Lazidawg is there.  Lazi is TAKING OVER THE REGION!!  That cannot be done covertly.  You're seizing control of resources or something (it's backstory and irrelevant exactly how having more troops means takeover, but it's not secret is the point.)  She'd know what is invading where, because you're INVADING.  You can't keep a low profile while INVADING.  So her bomber attacks are valid.

3) Lazidawg, it has been 24 hours since you declared your takeover, but during that time, Tsunade deployed an OrBat equal to or stronger than yours.  (In this case, stronger than.)  Therefore your by-default takeover is unsuccessful and you have to do it the old-fashioned way - by actually conquering militarily.  :P

Good luck all.

[Roman]

I will add that, by bombing Lazidawg and the civilians around his
forces, can be considered an act of war if any of those civilians is a
citizen of Ostshon Kagan (The area Lucifer controls, not Atticus'
Folly which is now the only remnant of Ostshon Kagan. We haven't named
the region yet), which would most likely be fleeing from the area. Or
anyone that is a citizen to a region I serve. At least, that's how I
see it. I haven't spoken with Lucifer about it.

After all this talk in the Jasonian war about magicians only defending
civilians, I will openly display my devotion if the case presents
itself.

[Erin]

Lazidawg doesn't have any civilians in his Orbat so they cannot possibly be considered part of a nation, just mentioned in a backstory. That does not affect the actual outcome of the attack or give him any people who actually exist. And with the changes in what I see, I would like to lightly alter my earlier attack if that is allowed. One bomber goes toward the Dekinai attack, one toward the Dekiru attack, and two for the Hamuji troops, but not the frigate. After the attack, they return directly to the airstrip and stay there are standby. Also, troops are beginning to form north of Dekiru City.

Summary: Kaboom!

1st bomber damage: 50 infantry, 5 hvm teams, 7 MAAWS teams
2nd bomber: 200 infantry, 15 snipers, 20 hvm teams, 10 Pzh 2000s, 5 Bushmasters
3rd and 4th bomber: 300 infantry, 30 snipers, 30 MAAWS teams, 15 Bushmasters, 5 Pzh 2000s

[Erin]

Also I never realised pixels represented so much, I though they were much smaller. 

[lazidawg29]

IF you somehow manage to find exactly where I am;
"Coyote radars flashed on as the bombers made their rapid approach.
- Easy mate, their not coming for us;
The Bombers veered off their path and made a b-line for their
position.
-@#$&, They may have found us. Rally the starstreaks.
*Outside as the bombers approached MANPADS were set up.
- Wait for it!...Wait for it!!!...
They didn't want to leave any chance for the bombers to run out of
range.
-NOW!
Dozens upon dozens of starstreak missiles volleyed into the air
towards the bombers.

*On the bombers; we have a missiles incoming..two...four!...twenty!!"

Summary: My radar picks up bombers (unless they be B-2 Spirits) and
fire my full force of AA against them in a range from which they could
not just turn around and fly away. (30-90) AA missiles. Overdoing it,
yes, but i don't want to leave room for error.

IF you found it reasonable that you did not find my men within the
huge landscape of the land;
The bombers flew over the wide landscape of Grot Kesh, but to be able
to locate a few hundred men in the hundreds of thousands of square
miles would simply be a miracle.

On Jan 16, 10:45 pm, Erin <evilsockea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also I never realised pixels represented so much, I though they were much

> smaller. [?]

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[Bayen ronToketi]

Sorry to be insistent about this, but I want to make sure the precedent is very clear.  This is not shouting, this is big letters so you don't miss/ignore what I said like you did in my last post:

SHE KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE.  YOU ARE INVADING AND TAKING OVER HER LAND.  YOU CANNOT DO THIS COVERTLY AND YOU CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT GIVING AWAY YOUR POSITION!!!

Thank you.  ^_^  I know I'm being somewhat annoying, but I don't want other people looking at this and then trying to take over other land in secret or semi-secret moves.

[Erin]

Thank you Bayen, I was going to reply with the same thing. I think it is necessary to define the bomber planes in the general tech as a specific plane, and a good representative of a bomber plane is the B-52 stratofortress. Taking an older bomber like the B-52 which is not even as advanced as newer bombers, it would be above the range of the Starstreak missiles. The missiles have a maximum range of 7000m and the B-52 has a cruising altitude of 10,400m. In no way would your AA missiles be able to reach the bombers, so the attack is still completely valid.

[lazidawg29]

So, I take Bayen's decision that you where i am as I'm near this town
or that landmark, but not this soldier is 6-7ft away from that one.
I now assume you are using the B52.
True, It has a cruising altitude of 10400m, but, you need some type of
targeting to hit them. Do you know what house a soldier is in? what
parking lot a BPMV is stationed? since i see no previous recon units
deployed remotely near me and no recon aircraft in your orbat, its
rules out ground and recon targeting and leads me only to believe that
your are only left with the capability of aiming visually, which would
require your pilots to drop within range of my missiles to drop
anywhere close to my troops (Hasn't been preformed for many years).
Assuming you wanted to inflict casualties, you did get in range and
were subject to AA attack.

On Jan 17, 11:06 am, Erin <evilsockea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Bayen, I was going to reply with the same thing. I think it is
> necessary to define the bomber planes in the general tech as a specific
> plane, and a good representative of a bomber plane is the B-52
> stratofortress. Taking an older bomber like the B-52 which is not even as
> advanced as newer bombers, it would be above the range of the Starstreak
> missiles. The missiles have a maximum range of 7000m and the B-52 has a
> cruising altitude of 10,400m. In no way would your AA missiles be able to
> reach the bombers, so the attack is still completely valid.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Bayen ronToketi <ba...@toketi.org> wrote:
> > Sorry to be insistent about this, but I want to make sure the precedent is
> > very clear.  This is not shouting, this is big letters so you don't
> > miss/ignore what I said like you did in my last post:
>

> > *SHE KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE.  YOU ARE INVADING AND TAKING OVER HER LAND.  YOU

> > CANNOT DO THIS COVERTLY AND YOU CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT GIVING AWAY YOUR

> > POSITION!!!*

>
> > Thank you.  ^_^  I know I'm being somewhat annoying, but I don't want other
> > people looking at this and then trying to take over other land in secret or
> > semi-secret moves.
>

[lazidawg29]

Typo in the first part should be: So, I take that Bayen's decision
means you know where i am as in I'm near this town

or that landmark, but not this soldier is 6-7ft away from that one.

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

So I suppose that leaves it up to Tsunade:

Use your bombers at low altitude and both you and Lazi will take
damages, or keep them flying high and neither takes damages.

[Erin]

His soldiers aren't hiding, they are marching toward the cities as it is described in his first post. Each team is advancing toward a designated city and to advance a few hundred, you wouldn't be hiding in houses, there aren't that many in the great expanse of Grot Kesh's plains. So I would say that my pilots could see a large group people traveling across the empty land.

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

Not at high altitude... have you ever flown on a commercial jet? You
can barely see cars once you get into the air. Now imagine going far
faster on a much higher-altitude military plane. Even a large group
of people would be hard to hit without coordinates, and especially a
moving one like this army.

You've still got your choice. :P

[Roman]

We all make choices, but in the end our choices make us.

So... CHOOSE WISELY!

[Erin]

I could have sworn they bombed at higher altitudes than a commercial jet because they had guidance systems and I do know where his troops are. Anyway, if the planes do get a chance to drop bombs at low-altitudes before the missiles hit, then they would do so.

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

They can indeed drop bombs before the missiles hit, because Lazidawg
waited until the very last second to launch his anti-air. This means
more casualties for both of you, unfortunately.

Speaking of which, it has been twenty-four hours since the last
Response Action, so I am supposed to make a decision on casualties as
judge to keep things moving, but it's a pretty easy one, since I
didn't hear any objections to either of the casualty suggestions made
by you two.

Lazidawg's casualties (total):
-550 infantry
-25 starstreak hvm team
-37 maaws team
-45 special sniper
-15 pzh 2000
-20 bushmaster protected mobility vehicle

Tsunade's casualties (total):
-4 bomber plane

Now we can move on. ^_^

[lazidawg29]

Yey progress!
"The soldiers treated the wounded and buried their dead. They changed
their direction. The march was on, or rather the race."
Summary-As a result of the attack, some of my groups change direction
in movement.

On Jan 18, 11:23 am, ben.prin...@gmail.com wrote:
> They can indeed drop bombs before the missiles hit, because Lazidawg
> waited until the very last second to launch his anti-air.  This means
> more casualties for both of you, unfortunately.
>
> Speaking of which, it has been twenty-four hours since the last
> Response Action, so I am supposed to make a decision on casualties as
> judge to keep things moving, but it's a pretty easy one, since I
> didn't hear any objections to either of the casualty suggestions made
> by you two.
>
> Lazidawg's casualties (total):
> -550 infantry
> -25 starstreak hvm team
> -37 maaws team
> -45 special sniper
> -15 pzh 2000
> -20 bushmaster protected mobility vehicle
>
> Tsunade's casualties (total):
> -4 bomber plane
>
> Now we can move on.  ^_^
>

[lazidawg29]

Can't do backstory now.
Summary: Troops arrive in Hamuji. rest of land troops scout out
Dekinai City for military presence.
If there is they travel to undisclosed location. If unoccupied, the
army makes it very clear to the town council or what have you that the
soldiers will do absolutely no harm to the citizen if unprovoked.
Citizens who decide not to participate in this conflict and mind their
own business will not be touched. But those who resist will be
terminated. Soldiers set up defenses in occupied city/cities.

[Erin]

About a quarter of my forces are within Dekinai since it is the capitol of the country. They are also on high alert and patrol the city because of the reports of soldiers in the northeast. 

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

Could you post the locations of the remaining 3/4 please?

[Erin]

2 bunkers east and west of Dekiru City.

Now I would like to make a sort of proposal to Lazidawg, the city of Hamuji and a small amount of surrounding land. You can look on the attached map for the size of the land. I'm only making this offer because I don't really use Hamuji, and I'm sure you could do something with it.

[Roman]

"It had been quite subtle and painstaking, but at last Roman broke the
nerve to move his military. Indeed, he was interested in the rampant
battle to the east of his own domain. It intrigued him, and he knew
he'd have to do something. Grot Kesh, was after all, a particular
region that served a purpose for Rapture's successes. It was a
perfectly placed satellite nation that kept Roman's lands far enough
away from enemy borders, assuming Grot Kesh was not the most
aggressive section of Toketi.

So far, however, Grot Kesh had proved its valor in combat. Roman shook
his head at the thought of such defenses, powerful enough to ward
enemies yet they'd never for the life of Roman help him or his region.
Would Roman help Grot Kesh? He pondered for awhile, which took him to
the present day.

Among the vast grassland and fields to the east of Rapture, Roman had
assembled his armies in broad daylight. He smiled, his observers
watching the skies as his men hastily prepared to move. Dozens of
black-skinned reptiles felt the urge to prove their valor for once.
Humans yearned to test the enhanced technologies that so teasingly
laid out at their fingertips. Roman was quite the caring individual,
he gave his army the best protection he could possibly offer with his
funds. That... and a few weapons as well.

Roman himself smiled, wearing a standard uniform of a metallic suit.
To his side was a holstered Pulse Pistol, and of course there was his
massive force of tanks, helicopters, infantry, artillery, and light
armor in front of him.

"Immortality awaits!" blasted from Roman's lips in a crisp and loud
call. Roman's men knew what to do, their briefing long completed.
Roman might be an oddity of nature, but he certainly wished for the
best. Even if he failed, Lord Mannimarco would sweep Roman in his
glory and save him. What was there to lose?"

Summary:
A large portion of my army prepares and advances to the western border
of Grot Kesh without crossing the actual border. Everyone is on high-
alert and fully equipped for a full-blown war.

Note: Bayen, this is assuming the purchase I've been trying to make
succeeded and those six units are with my army. ;] I hope you got the
e-mail AGAIN.

[lazidawg29]

A letter arrived to Tsunade, after being checked anthrax, of course.
It simply read "I do not believe that you fully appreciate the
seriousness of your situation. Yes, you may have a larger army, but I
promise you, that you are the one in greater peril." There was no need
for a signature.

"Commander, where have lost all communications with the southern
suburbs of Dekinai. Before, there were reports of enemy forces all
around that area. They have not yet advanced upon the city, what are
you orders?"
Summary: No deal, Forces advance to southern suburbs of Dekinai city.
Communications cut from suburbs.

[Erin]

How would communication be cut? You didn't do anything but come closer. Since communication is most likely not cut, I would also like to know what is approaching because I have my soldiers hiding around the entire city. They have moved into specifically planned hiding places that allow them to watch the city and be prepared to attack at a moments notice. The troops from the eastern bunker are beginning to move at top speed toward Dekinai City.

I'll post those troops from the east tomorrow afternoon.

[Roman]

"As the army had assembled and drove for miles and miles, and had come
to a stop, Roman knew Pontius would do a wondrous job. In fact, the
lizard leader himself took command of all diplomatic announcement. He
took a weak step at diplomacy and called Dekiru and Dekinai's city
hall from a secured phone line.

"Greetings neighbors and fellow Tokish citizens. I regretfully inform
you I declare war on those who currently control the region of Grot
Kesh. It is for my best interest to intercept and refortify your
region for the better protection of mine, given that it is currently
under siege and proving weak. I apologize for such rash and violent
behavior, but such an opportunity will not be missed."

Roman paused and took a breath so that his wicked tongue could lap at
his lips.

"You should inform your citizens of all cities and towns to evacuate
and head to cover. I'm afraid my forces do not like guerrilla war
tactics, and everything deemed a threat will be destroyed and rebuilt
at a later date. Any questions? Like to comment on my driving? Use a
callback feature for this number."

With that, Roman hung up on the poor secretary who had to listen to
his raspy, god-forsaken voice. Roman simply wanted Grot Kesh to no
longer pose a threat, and the opportunity arose to make it that way.

- - - - -

Meanwhile, as Roman's forces gathered under the Pontius' leadership,
they prepared to enter the combat zone. A few Praetor Hueys had just
dropped extra fuel to restock the vehicles, giving ample to trek
through the countless kilometers of Grot Kesh. Pontius' Romans were
seemingly animals wielding the technology of countless ages, and
weren't afraid to test Roman's new toys. If anything, the brutal
lizards looked forward to taking the hits for the humans who readily
operated the vehicles that would crush all opposition.

Pontius smiled as he sat upon the top of a Palatine tank, his arms
resting lazily on a .50 caliber turret.

"Onward!" He shouted, his muscular arm outstretching to point due
west; straight into Grot Kesh.

The war began, and Roman's assault force crossed the border. Anything
deemed a threat would be annihilated and questions would be asked
later.

Summary:

Roman declares war on Tsunade's forces.

Roman's assault forces, under the command of Pontius, began their
march into Grot Kesh. They're on high alert and completely prepared
for a drawn-out war.

[Roman]

Edit: It wouldn't let me edit my post, but anyway just wanted to
clarify Pontius points EAST. Not west.

[lazidawg29]

I would like the judge to make the ruling on whether or not I
successfully cut communication (To clarify, electronic....you still
have word of mouth).
also:
AHEM* the Southern SUBURBS, not the city. You have troops posted East,
West and In the CITY. city=/=suburb.

On Jan 22, 5:34 pm, Erin <evilsockea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How would communication be cut? You didn't do anything but come closer.
> Since communication is most likely not cut, I would also like to know what
> is approaching because I have my soldiers hiding around the entire city.
> They have moved into specifically planned hiding places that allow them to
> watch the city and be prepared to attack at a moments notice. The troops
> from the eastern bunker are beginning to move at top speed toward Dekinai
> City.
>
> I'll post those troops from the east tomorrow afternoon.
>

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

You could cut phone lines in theory, but it'd take a while because
you'd have to find all the buried ones and dig them up, etc. However,
this is modern times, and I'm sure many people have satellite cell
phones or laptops, especially military, so electronic communication
could not be fully shut down.

[Erin]

The suburbs are part of the city. The land isn't very settled in most of Grot Kesh, it is small forests and plains with beaches next to the water. The suburbs would be considered part of the city, it isn't nearly as far away as Downingtown to Philadelphia.

[lazidawg29]

Oh so now you just making the city's description spur of the
moment :D ? In not one part of your city descriptions of Dekinai City
did i see the extent and distance of your suburbs.
I'd like to point out that nearly all citizens' phones are not a
satellite phone, but a cell phone which rely a signal to a radio tower
which relays its signal to a satellite. Satellite phones are extremely
expensive and as is customary, are hardly purchased AT ALL for
civilian use. Military and gov't use use them, but you didn't post
troops there And its logical to assume that the citizens having
satellite phones is extremely unlikely.
I used suburbs because its a loose term, so just in case the judge
decides to allow Tsunade's last minute adjustments to her city's
layout, I am the designated distance away that I had previously pm'ed
the judge.

[Erin]

Fair enough on the suburb part, but I would definitly say that you would not have cut every line of electric communication fast enough to keep my hidden soldiers from reporting your troop size,

[lazidawg29]

very well, from the citizen reports you seem to put together that
there are a large number of units spread thinly across the area just,
well, doing stuff... no-one really specifically says what they are
doing, but just that their there.(Except for disabling some radio
towers and visiting some libraries...)

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

I'm sure in a whole suburb at least a few rich people might have
satellite phones. This be the Information Age, you cannot stop the
flow of info! :P (But no changing city layouts on the fly!)

On 1/22/09, lazidawg29 <prossd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

[lazidawg29]

Um,
"Seeing as nothing was really happening, a soldier strayed from his
platoon and entered the great city"
Summary: I send 1 infantry into Dekinai city...just in case tsunade
feels like being inactive this weekend ;)

[lazidawg29]

Um.. I wonder if i can 24 hr this. Don't worry I'll write a backstory,
but It'll be long :)

[Erin]

As the soldier wandered through the city, he didn't realize that he was being watched. He walked into an empty street, but didn't see any soldiers anywhere so far. He started to feel cocky, seeing as he hadn't had any trouble in the city. "This place is so pathetic, there isn't even any soldiers here. What sort of defense is this?" He said out loud. Just as he finished his sentence, four shots were fired from four different directions. The man dropped dead right in the street, and it fell silent again.

[Roman]

Pontius and his formidable force of Romans and humans finally arrived
at their first checkpoint. A long, calculated route took them
throughout the land of Grot Kesh and at the brow of the enemy eyes.
Just south of Dekiru, the men were ready and the vehicles were fueled.
It was as if the army of heaven itself had assembled to assault a
bastion of hell.

Two Praetor Hueys hovered above the ground nearby as well, scanning
what they could from the security of their armored cockpits. Pontius
expected anti-air. A sniper onboard each of the Hueys took advantage
of the height and scoped out any enemies, feeding back to the ground
forces nearby.

- - - - - -

Meanwhile, to the east of Dekiru marched a large civilian population
that had evacuated out of the city. Indeed, Roman's threats had
reached the streets and those unable to fight quickly sought to leave.
Roman believed this would be a great time to test his Montag Virus,
and so he brought one of his Praetors around Dekiru, long out of sight
and out of range, and found the long trail of humans. The crew on
board smiled as the Huey lowered, and they pushed out a large wooden
crate alongside the road full of refugees. Without a word, the Praetor
sped off and disappeared to the south, winding about and using evasion
tactics to avoid anyone following.

To the helpless civilians, they could not help but be curious of the
wooden package. Supplies? Weapons? What had just dropped so freely at
their feet? A few took the liberty of opening the wooden box, finding
it quite easy. Inside, however, nothing expected was found. No medical
kits, no weaponry, not even rations or water. A large metallic tube
with an odd-smelling serum lay inside, broken from the fall from the
Huey. The civilians looked onward with disgust, wafting the scent in
the air. It smelled so different, but it was not unpleasant. It
seemingly slide right through the nostrils. People began to move away
in fear, believing the case was a biological weapon. Others shook
their heads and figured the helicopter had broken it on accident. They
moved on, and others walked by the broken canister and examined it as
well. They all moved on.

If only they knew.

- - - - - - - - - -

Pontius rolled a bullet between his fingers, curious as to how
Tsunade's forces would react to the oncoming attack. He smiled, his
clawed hand reaching to his side and grasping his quantum radio.

"Commence attack." He said, almost casually, before placing his radio
beside him. Their coordinated attack would begin.

The two Hueys from earlier turned back and landed as Pontius' forces
moved closer to the city. They kept a scattered formation, and all the
vehicles were loaded and fueled from the long route they had just
completed. Ten of the Horvath Artillery Units moved up the line and
were given coordinates collected by the Hueys. Like clockwork, the
brave humans operating the equipment loaded their first volley of
rounds, napalm. Almost instant calculations rambled through their
heads as the large cannons raised and adjusted their aim.

Pontius, watching from the secrecy of his ghillie suit, spoke into his
radio again.

"Wave one, bash one." he said.

The ten artillery howled as the napalm rounds launched effortlessly
through the air, the fine scent of metal filling the air. The rounds
arced and smacked into buildings in the cities the Hueys believed
potential targets. Fire erupted, even if the surfaces were fireproof,
as the napalm gel gave life to the flames. The Horvaths reloaded
another volley of napalm for more coordinates in range while everyone
else in the force remained on high alert and ready. Snipers held their
Pulse Snipers close to their hearts as Roman infantry sniffed out the
area. Roman Anti-Aerial Systems remained active as tanks loaded rounds
and prepped machine guns.

"Wave one, bash two." Pontius announced.

The second wave of napalm rounds echoed through the sky. Despite being
a beautiful day, the cloudless sky began to feel the searing injustice
of napalm fires from the city. Roman gave plenty of time for the
people to evacuate, and felt no shame in destructing materialistic
crap. It could be rebuilt later with ease. Unless of course the Montag
Virus worked better than predicted.





Summary:

I give my first little attack on the city of Dekiru, though this isn't
my FULL assault and attack. This is just to see how Tsunade is going
to respond now that my force is probably in range of something she
has.

I also use the Montag Virus for the first time on civilians fleeing
the city.

[Roman]

Edit: My attack is provided that Tsunade's bunkers aren't in range or
in sight, as I would obviously destroy them before proceeding with my
force.

[lazidawg29]

Well, post the troops your that you attacked with from the east. I AM
WAITING. plus i could've 24hr'ed u with 1 soldier ;)

On Jan 22, 5:34 pm, Erin <evilsockea...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Erin]

They aren't attacking, the city's defensive troops are attacking.

Current Dekinai Orbat:
10 Anti air
100 special snipers (hidden)
400 elite infantry (hidden)
5 special grenadier (hidden)

[lazidawg29]

Let me get this straight b4 i post:
You have troops stationed to the east, west and inside the city? An
the ones inside the city are attacking my forces to the south correct?

[Erin]

There are troops in bunkers to the west of Dekiru. There are some troops in the land between Dekiru and Dekinai, but not specifically in range of either one of the cities. There are also some troops in another bunker to the east of Dekiru. There are troops in Dekinai that are hidden in position to be able to attack or just snipe any troops that enter Dekinai, for example the one soldier that wandered in by himself.

[lazidawg29]

thank you for the clarification.
Summary: forces to the south move to undisclosed location. Navy moves
to undisclosed location. Make announcement to citizens of dekinai city
that they have 8 hrs. to leave city. After 8 hrs. I commence
bombardment of the city (Targeting governmental offices, barracks,
military posts and rooftops above all)
Casualties for me : 1 infantry :D

[Erin]

I accept the casualties that Roman posted and I am not launching a counterattack for it.

[lazidawg29]

Ok, I don't know what exactly you have in Dekinai, but since i have
been ceaselessly bombarding it with artillery for 2 days straight;
I claim that you take 35% casualties of troops stationed in Dekinai so
far. The bombardment continues.

[Erin]

Incorrect sir, Bayen will tell you why when he gets on next.

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

I am on, you tell him. :P

[Erin]

"All of the citizens begin leaving Dekinai City toward the north, west, and east. The soldiers are also leaving with them, blending in with all of the people. As soon as the soldiers are out of range of Lazidawg's troops, they begin to loop around and close in from the south, east, and west toward the troops. They stay just out of range and radio for two stealth planes to fly toward the enemy troops. The stealth planes are equipped with enough bombs to attack Lazidawg. The planes fly high over the troops and are able to avoid the radar. They drop their bombs on the unsuspecting enemy. The soldiers close in as soon as the danger from the bombs are over. The elite soldiers come in close and the snipers stay back and shoot from a far."

I sent that to Bayen as a secret move before your 8 hours were up, so you didn't bomb anything.

[lazidawg29]

I have also specified to bayen that i circle round to the north of the
city b4 commencing bombardment. Which kinda destroys your plan B/C you
claim that your operation happened b4 my bombardment. You specified
that your troops left the city to the east, west and NORTH. Unless you
specified previously, I assume that that's 1 third of your garrison
(for 1 of 3 directions). Obviously if my soldiers see civilians
packing, they aren't going to treat them as soldier. Consequently, I
will tried to disarm the "civilian". If they fight back, I'll be on to
you! If one of the soldiers doesn't resist, I'll find army materials
and same situation. Of course, if you specified you left all your
military supplies in the city (i doubt it), it would make you infantry
attack quite ineffective. Also, for your planes, they had their
targets to the south of Dekinai City, so either they drop their bombs
where I Was, or the resort to visual bombing again and we already know
how that works out :). And even if you decide an eye for an eye,
remember, b/c of you, I'm in the middle of and large influx of
civilian refugees and possible in combat w/ a third of your troops.

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

Lazi: you didn't say anything about searching the civilians in your
message to me. You have a camp to the north of the city, civilians
leaving wouldn't pass through it and soldiers in disguise definitely
not. It's a city, not a village - this is a huge area you'd have to
cover to stop people from slipping by. Meanwhile, Tsunade actually
now has coordinates (her men on the ground can tell the planes where
to bomb) so her air attack can actually be effective. Soo...

[Erin]

Damn, I don't know what to put for casualties. How about 25% on the stealth bomb attack and another 20% on my attacks from the soldiers since it is a surprise attack. Also, the demolitioners are within range to throw grenades into the remaining groups of Lazidawg's soldiers, so they do throw them.

[lazidawg29]

Jeez bayen, I know I'm not searching, but my soldiers have eyes and
they can see. They can see the civilians, because they don't know I'm
there until they reach me. And with 1 third of Erin's forces moving
north (well i assume), it'd be alarming to see a civilian with an
assault rifle. But if their disguise means being unarmed, by all
means, they go unnoticed. Bayen is correct, it is a large area, so,
there is the possibility that I don't encounter citizens or soldier at
all. But if i do encounter civilians, who, until the point they see
me, don't know I'm in the north, and they have weapons (which again
would be require to make an infantry attack), I'm going to assume
their soldiers. Wether your soldiers have civilian clothing or kevlar
on, it doesn't matter. If they have a weapon, they are a hostile. When
you set your plan into action, you did not know I was in the north,
therefore, if your troops are sneaking out of the village(Am I wrong
to assume they have weapons), and have the chance of encountering me,
we will see each other at the same time, both parties will be equally
surprised and your soldiers that come into contact will be engaged.
Your plan states that once you circle around to the south you call in
your planes, but not discovering me or engaging with my forces
prematurely will stop your plan right there.
So, what I want is to have Bayen decide wether tsunade's forces
actually encounter me when leaving the villige (wasn't 123sq-km per
pixel?) and if she does, I want to be able to post what I do when I
see a civilian with a GUN. (Assuming that her soldiers are armed.)

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

You'd have to search to find a gun, I'd think. They wouldn't walk
around carrying their assault rifles. Civilians wouldn't leave their
homes empty-handed, if you gave them eight hours to pack they'd have
bags and so on filled with clothes, food, memories, etc. The soldiers
would just have their weapons in their bags instead of clothes.

ANYWAYS, I say:

Tsunade's civilians/soldiers will at least see your camp as they pass
by, and you will see the civilian group from afar, but they'd not come
close enough for you to see them in detail (because why would they
risk themselves encountering the invaders?) Remember, these are
plains, so you'd see a bunch of people from far away and steer clear.

[Erin]

Are my casualties accepted?

[lazidawg29]

Sigh*: This is 25% for bombing:
Casualties:
289 infantry
27 Starstreak teams
23 M3 maaws teams
4 snipers
3 BPMVs
3 PZH 2000s
1 recon vehicle

But as soon as I'm bombed, all units head northeast, fast. As for the
infantry attack, I'm a bit PARANOID after being bombed, so the idea of
infantry attack right after bombing isn't such a surprise. My Pzh
2000s surround the flanks (including behind) of my moving force. My
BPMVs spearhead the movement transporting as many troops as possible.
remaining troops stay behind pzh's but are ready to give close support
in the event of attack.

[lazidawg29]

Also, I let civilians leave Hamuji if they wish, but I do not let any1
in.

[Erin]

The attacks are basically at the same time except for the demo men. There would't be enough time between the bombing and infantry to get and entire plan set up.

[Roman]

I guess I'm a bit late but I'd like to make note to Bayen about the
stealth fighters. Where exactly did they take off and such, this is a
big consideration considering Tsunade has two different armies in her
territory. Stealth fighters need fuel and care for proper use, and
they can't stay high in the atmosphere for days to wait for an attack
opportunity.

Also, I know I did not post, but my Roman Anti-Air units are active
and if Tsunade's stealth bombers are in range; REGARDLESS of how high
she is flying, they would be immediately shot down. And if they are
out of range, I most likely would still detect them. Just like to
throw in my two cents, because I just realized there were three pages
to this thread and not just two... I was wondering why there wasn't
any activity. Stupid google groups.

And now for my actual attack which is days overdue thanks to my
computer incompetence.


------------------------

Pontius watched as the embers of Dekiru burned and he faced no
opposition. Not even a droplet of water or a drop of troops bothered
to stop the napalm bombing of the cities. Stubborn civilians soon
found themselves burning alive in their own ignorant decision to stay
in the city.

But all in all, Roman's forces kept moving. They adjusted and kept
creeping more and more east as the city fell prey to napalm volley
after napalm volley. It was far too quiet and Pontius disliked the
disadvantages at hand. He especially hated how Tsunade wasn't even
bothering defending such a popular city by any means. He'd have to
flush her out with his own dogs of war.

"Wave two, bash one." Pontius commanded over the radio.

Instead of napalm, a volley of high explosive shells bounced against
the Dekiru stronghold. Its construction was strong, but it fell prey
to the lack of defense as the walls slowly crumbled under the wake of
modern technology. Pontius had plenty of ammunition to blow every
brick into the sky if he needed to. Perhaps he would and symbolize his
means to take the land of Grot Kesh for Roman.

But something else caught his attention. His Praetor Hueys came in
from scouting and had plentiful amounts of coordinates for Pontius'
fury.

"We'll burn them out! We'll blow them out! We'll throw them out!"
Pontius yelled into his quantum radio. "Initiate new wave! Target the
specified coordinates at once with high explosive shells! Show no
mercy for anything that moves!"

Pontius' army became to wreathe about like a snake in the grass,
moving and repositioning. The Hueys landed only for a moment to refuel
under the safe watch of the army before becoming airborne again. They
were the closest thing Romans had to a human angel, and they would
observe the battle with missiles on hand. The Horvath Artillery units
reloaded with high explosive rounds and fired volleys at the bunkers
surrounding the city of Dekiru. The Praetor's top-notch scanning
equipment and low altitude revealed what was believed to be military
positions. Pontius would find the hard way by demolishing them below
the blasts of high explosive rounds. The sheer vibration alone from
the shells would break the spirits of those within, if not crumble the
petty walls around them.

Pontius allowed his artillery fire again and again, moving once in a
while to avoid his own bombardment. His troops stood at the ready and
patrolled his force, which just seemed like a moving city of workers
and warriors. Night would soon come in, leaving Pontius' undisturbed.
He allowed a few minutes of peace.

The only sound was the crackle of Dekiru fires as Pontius' men used
their tracking systems to record and analyze the situation. Pontius
smiled.

His request had arrived.

In the silence of night, Praetor Hueys had crept in the shadows from
Rapture and landed at an undisclosed location in Grot Kesh. They
brought with them the supplies needed to not only replenish what was
used, but to reinforce and grant more power to Pontius forces. Though
those Hueys had long left and headed for home on a long trip, a
hundred new soldiers assimilated into Pontius' army. With them, they
brought crates of supplies and various essentials for what was to
come. Pontius smiled, knowing that his human operators would feel more
confident on proceeding with the gear they just recieved. Pontius'
army took turns in preparing their outfits, reloading, and refueling.
They burned the empty crates once all the supplies were distributed
and not a soul was left without gifts.

Pontius swung his radio from his side, his ghillie suit dirty from his
hiding and observation points. "Let us move like the waves of the
oceans, and likewise dissipate into a sea of darkness! We shall
prevail as light."

With that, Pontius issued new orders. His army began to move to
Dekinai city and smash into the battle Tsunade and Lazidawg currently
participated in.

------------

Summary:

After setting Dekiru on fire and letting it burn for days, my
artillery destroys that hideous orange castle there (if it is still
there, if not whatever the most important building was is now
destroyed). Then my Praetor Hueys report the positions of Tsunade's
bunker systems and my artillery fires on them for a while, but still
maintaining a constant move.

Later, new forces join into Pontius' and supply his force with
necessary tools to proceed. They equip and ready what they have so
that the army can move to Dekinai City instead of Dekiru, which now is
smoldering ruins. Not before firing two napalm round volleys at
Tsunade's bunker systems as well (this isn't mentioned in the
backstory) though.

Also, Roman hires more troops and keeps them in his homeland for
security purposes.

Note: This is assuming (which Bayen has given the okay for) that my
purchases are complete. Also this is open for Tsunade to counterattack
as well and my plans will change accordingly if that is so. >:]

I'm predicting an extreme casualty rate for the city of Dekiru and the
bunkers protecting it. If the high explosives didn't demolish the
areas, the napalm would have made it impossible to breath or function
in the immense heat... which can't be put out!

[Erin]

The airfields are south of Dekiru City by about 5 pixels. They can't be found on radar, they are stealth! They are cruising, not bombing, keeping them out of range of anti-air missiles, and they didn't fly over your troops, that would have been out of the way to Dekinai.

The bunkers aren't right next to the city, they are hundreds of miles away, and even farther away from each other. I just said east and west of Dekiru to give a general direction, not saying that they are right there. They are probably about 10 pixels away from the city on each side. That makes them 1230 miles from the city and 2460 miles from each other. That is nearly the length on America and you don't know where they are either. Since you don't have coordinates to them and they aren't obviously sitting, you couldn't have found them. Also, there were no troops in Dekiru City, so no actual casualties.

[Gerk Whitman]

 the length of America?  something there doesn't seem right...  they'd only be 60 miles from the city and 120 miles from each other.  i don't know where you're getting your math from...  still, it is a considerable distance, but a plane in the area could spot them...

--
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And I'm helping.

[Erin]

1 pixel is 123 miles right? That's where the math is from.

[Erin]

Oh wait, or is that 123 miles in area?

[Gerk Whitman]

one pixel is 10km or about 6-7 miles.  at least that's what i've always been told.

[Roman]

Yeah, Tsunade, you were confused with the area of a pixel. I had to
ask Bayen about that today as well, and one pixel is about 11 km in
width and length. So, your airfield is about 55km away from my army,
assuming I was close to the city. Could be a little more or less, but
considering my Roman Anti-Air has a range of 400km AND despite your
belief, my technology can shoot down stealth bombers and planes... I
believe we've found a reasonable error in the previous action.

No one told me that you were so close, as my anti-air systems would
detect you (if not, my Praetors would easily find the airfield with
their thermal/nightvision/scanning systems). That would nullify your
attack on Lazidawg, which caused the 25% of the casualty ratings
(well, the initial 25%). Your bombers would of been shot out of the
sky only seconds after lift off. That, and now Pontius would be very
angry he didn't destroy that airfield earlier. I'd like to revise the
summary of my latest attack due to these new findings. I mean, Bayen
still has to judge it, but I think it was miscommunication or
SOMEONE's lack of detail that should of been reported to me. I've had
my anti-air ready for a situation like this the whole time.

New Summary:

1.Pontius finishes the burning and destruction of Dekiru city, only to
be alerted by the lift off of two unauthorized and unlogged aircraft.

2.Immediately, the Roman Anti-Air Systems fire a coordinated 4 guided
rockets for each system and each plane (so that's 20 rockets per a
plane) and then another volley given the targets are not neutralized
or not damaged enough. (My anti-air has a range of 400km\250miles and
each rocket goes at least 3mps if I recall my information correctly. I
also utilized modern technology on taking out stealth bombers, so
there shouldn't be any reason for yours to go unnoticed, especially
because you took off and were not at a high altitude when discovered.

3.My forces follow their usual battle scheme of moving and head south,
about 30 km north of your airfields. Using the initial recordings of
the planes coordinates and careful Praetor Huey scouting/observation,
my forces begin a bombardment of Tsunade's airfields. It consists of
mixtures of high explosive shells and napalm shells, coating and
destroying all buildings and runways. Anti-Air remains active to
eliminate anyone trying to fly away. Everyone else guards the
artillery and keeps their focus.

4. Once the airfields are destroyed, assuming there are 80-95%
casualties for the airfield forces and civilians, my force reloads and
refuels before heading northeast. My latest purchase also joins my
army at this time, providing them with the gear they need to proceed.

[Erin]

No, the pixel count is off since I used the wrong size. I wouldn't keep an airfield that close to a city when I have so much open space. They would be isolated from civilized parts of the land. You second point is utter BS. The atmosphere is only 100 km high, so are you really trying to say your missiles can shoot 4 times farther than the atmosphere? Next, STEALTH PLANES! Even if you see them on radar it is only for a single blip right after takeoff. You would not be able to perfectly track it to hit it with your missiles when it isn't even flying near your troops. Therefore, my attack on Lazidawg is perfectly acceptable because you never hit the planes.

[lazidawg29]

But you said the airfield was 5 PIXELS AWAY. Now that that's
inconvenient for you, you can just automatically change how far away
thing are at your whim? If I had known we could do that...
On plains from 50 km away, it isn't that hard to see they planes take
off. And if he can see you, he can easily hit you, radar or not.
But if bayen wishes to again take tsunade's side, It isn't that hard
to radio everyone to head northeast and have the PZH's on the flanks.

[Erin]

You realize that Bayen already said the attack went through and you accepted the losses, judge's say is final. There is no changing that the attack on your troops happened. However, I would also like you to post the losses by my infantry that occurred with the bombing.

[Roman]

Yes, but this is different.... no one informed me of aerial movement
within my range. And you fail to understand, Tsunade, that the Roman
Anti-Aerial Systems are part of a new technology I scrapped together
thanks to Russian and American technologies. THEY CAN knock down
stealth planes no problem. Why, you ask?

Wikipedia the S-400 system (a pretty recent Russian anti-aerial and
anti-missile system) and you'll realize. As far as range and as far as
I'm concerned, as long as the rocket's propulsion system is lit they
can go and the S-400 itself, ALREADY IN USE, can shoot down objects
250 miles away (400km) so don't even call bullshit on that one. It
exists, it isn't like the Russians wouldn't devise something that
fantastic...we both struggled in the Cold War and feared incoming
nuclear weapons. I'm just ashamed the Patriot missile system isn't
nearly as good as the S-400. I made an improved and altered version of
the S-400 to accommodate a larger quantity of guided rockets at once.
That's why they are priced at 300 too, they are very advanced and
expensive pieces of equipment.

And you can't switch around where the hell your shit is. You can't say
5 pixels and then say "oh, whoops, I miscalculated".

Also, as far as the Judge's decision, I'm disputing it because I told
Bayen I'd keep my Roman Anti-Aerial Systems active throughout my
campaign... now how would I know you launched planes from nearby? It'd
be up to Bayen to decide whether or not I'd be informed of their
movement as I'd obviously not be able to make it up. And you failed to
say where they came from anyway, so that made it even more difficult.
What I'M saying is if you hadn't of bullshitted an airfield and Bayen
had informed me of enemy air movement, I would of been able to stop
you easily. See the point?


Oh, and I'd also like to mention your forces are currently being
ravaged by the Montag Virus, as well as the multitude of civilians in
Grot Kesh in Dekiru, Dekinai, and the region around them (including
between). I did this through releasing the chemical weapon on
civilians heading east from Dekiru, who have been passing it on for
days and falling for the effects itself. No, it isn't a Montag ward,
it is actually a genetic-altering virus that changes people into
Germans! (half wolf, half human people). Problem is... through
changing you usually have nasty mental side-effects such as delusion,
extreme aggressiveness, and good stuff like that. It also invokes mass
confusion because everyone is turning into Germans! Fun stuff. You
started getting affected by this by blending in with civilians! Hehe.

I'd like to expect an increasing rate of casaulties from the Montag
Virus, because it'll make units unusable as they go crazy. Or shot
when mistaken for a werewolf. Of course, in character, you have no
clue what the hell is happening to your troops. Bayen requested I
explain. :]

And regardless of how this dispute turns out about the airfield, I'd
like to stick in this little parcel of backstory/action.




--------
"Pontius wiggled his quantum radio and realized he'd never be able to
reach whom he had requested. He gritted his teeth and had a loyal
soldier fetch a working military radio, and had a few of his more
intelligent vehicle operators allocate a certain signal for him.
Lazidawg's!

Pontius, with his raspy and forbidding voice, warned the man of the
dangers sweeping Grot Kesh. "Do not allow civilians or enemy troops to
get too close to you, fellow combatant, as I fear they are.....
plagued. Be warned, the effects are more devastating than you think."

With that, Pontius clicked the radio off as Lazi tried to respond.
---------

[Erin]

1. Why should you be informed on enemy air movement when it is a secret attack?
2. My soldiers have had no contact to the Montag virus, so only the the encountered the crate are being affected.
3. You still couldn't track my stealth planes, they only appear for a blip on the radar then disappear. You couldn't hit them, you couldn't track them, they aren't flying over you.
4. The judge's decision was final and Lazidawg lost those troops. Stop getting mad at me for trying to change a miscalculation because I didn't have all the information, you're trying to do the same thing.

[Roman]

1. Well, like I've said a hundred times, I had my Roman Anti-Air
Systems activated. This means, at all hours, all five trucks were
monitoring a radius of 250 miles / 400 km for aerial objects, such as
planes, jets, stealth bombers, missiles, etc. to shoot down. I say I
would have had to be informed because even as a secret move, I'd be
able to track your movements. Get the picture? There's no use in a
tracking system if a "secret move" just crossed that out.

2. The Montag Virus is spread rapidly through contact with living
humans and even other animals. I released it on a bunch of civilans
fleeing to the east of Dekiru... where do you think they would go?
Wouldn't you go toward Dekinai where all the soldiers are? Or seek
help there because Dekiru had absolutely nothing. But then again, it
doesn't matter because for as long as they walked, they carried and
let the virus grow. And they would have come in contact with other
living things and other civilians. And then guess what? Days after I
released it, you said your soldiers blended in with civilians going
north, east, and west of Dekinai. Odds are, at least one soldier would
come in contact with someone who was infected. And with that in mind,
your army will slowly fall to infection because you've made contact.
And you can't do anything about it because you even said "I accept
your casaulties" from the attack on Dekiru, which involved the release
of the Montag Virus. You can expect your soldiers to turn into
Germans, as I like to call them, as soon as a week, if not just a bit
longer.

3. Why are you being so stubborn about something you don't even know
about? You can scream "you can't detect me!" all you want, but I used
real technology that can track down stealth bombers and planes. You
didn't think someone would figure that out in an age of technology and
warfare? As for tracking, it is probably the easiest thing I could do
as well as sent a few rockets your way. Bayen can confirm that the
technology I use can shoot down stealth bombers, because I had a long
conversation and e-mail about the thing and deciding the price for
something so advanced.

4. How am I trying to do the same thing? I have not altered any
attack, any location of my troops, or stubbornly refused a perfectly
reasonable dispute. Let alone, Lazidawg's casaulties are of his own
affair. I am very disappointed that, like said a hundred and one
times, at the event of an aerial movement in my vicinity I was not
informed and could not attack, which I had the full right to thanks to
my technology and my warfare tactics.

[Gerk Whitman]

opinion of the impartial third party (that really doesn't matter, but anyway):

Tsunade obviously made a mistake in her inerpretation of the map.  this does not mean, however, that everything she said beforehand should be taken literally.  i mean, show some common courtesy, would you?  and some common sense as well.  i mean, who in their right mind would put military bases only an hours drive away from a major city?  that's like still in the suburbs.  and in addition, Tsunade knows that Roman's army is in her region, and is not about to go flying planes practically overtop of his troops, stealth or no, unless they were going to attack him specifically.  Roman, you put up a good argument, but, like in most sporting events, i think we have to give the benefit of the doubt to the home team in this case.  as the invader, you must be prepared to play by their rules.  not saying that Tsunade has the right to break any rules, that's merely a figure of speech.  and plus the judges decision has already been made.

and now i think i must say something about this Montag Virus:
i find this appalling that you have sunk to biological warfare, but, because there is no restriction anymore, i can't say much more about it in that sense, other than it is immoral, indecent, and downright cowardly.
but i have to question the amount of cp you have spent on this virus, and because i cannot seem to get an irc client to work as of now, i don't have the number avaliable from your orbat, but, if i am assuming correctly, this virus has the capability of causing entire orbats of troops to be utterly useless in combat, so it is my opinion that this virus should of course cost entire orbats of troops in cp.  however, i expect this is not the case, as it is that you have other troops in your orbat, so i must demand an explanation for this.

[Andreas Mayer]

What, a virus that might be used later?  You mean I have to actually *read* this?
*reads*
Roman, fairs fair.  Either turn them into actual Germans, or pick a new name.  Otherwise it's far, far too confusing..
I'll reserve comment on the diseases' costing when I see it.  Unless it's magical in nature (and then it wouldn't be able to enter the area with the civilians because the cities are protected from magic), changing someone's DNA and thus changing their form counts as the fairly advanced sci-fi, so it's cost has to be at least 50% plus whatever it's strength otherwise is.

2009/2/1 Gerk Whitman <gerk...@gmail.com>

opinion of the impartial third party (that really doesn't matter, but anyway):

Tsunade obviously made a mistake in her inerpretation of the map.  this does not mean, however, that everything she said beforehand should be taken literally.  i mean, show some common courtesy, would you?  and some common sense as well.  i mean, who in their right mind would put military bases only an hours drive away from a major city?  that's like still in the suburbs.  and in addition, Tsunade knows that Roman's army is in her region, and is not about to go flying planes practically overtop of his troops, stealth or no, unless they were going to attack him specifically.  Roman, you put up a good argument, but, like in most sporting events, i think we have to give the benefit of the doubt to the home team in this case.  as the invader, you must be prepared to play by their rules.  not saying that Tsunade has the right to break any rules, that's merely a figure of speech.  and plus the judges decision has already been made.

and now i think i must say something about this Montag Virus:
i find this appalling that you have sunk to biological warfare, but, because there is no restriction anymore, i can't say much more about it in that sense, other than it is immoral, indecent, and downright cowardly.
but i have to question the amount of cp you have spent on this virus, and because i cannot seem to get an irc client to work as of now, i don't have the number avaliable from your orbat, but, if i am assuming correctly, this virus has the capability of causing entire orbats of troops to be utterly useless in combat, so it is my opinion that this virus should of course cost entire orbats of troops in cp.  however, i expect this is not the case, as it is that you have other troops in your orbat, so i must demand an explanation for this.

Tsunade - 400 km is 400 km along the ground, not 400 km high.  That is, if your planes are a normal height he can hit them up to 400 km away.  As to how high he can hit them, that's a totally different thing (and Wiki doesn't know, so you'd have to ask Bayen).

Roman - You shouldn't be complaining to Tsunade she didn't tell you about secret stealth stuff.  You should complain to Bayen, and Bayen alone.  Only you and he know the capabilities of your AA, and only he and Tsunade knows how her stealth planes are stealthed.  So only he can tell you whether it hits or not.

Just my two CP

--
God Bless,

Andreas Mayer

[Andreas Mayer]

Sorry, that's weird, it put Gerks' message inbetween my.  I'll repost mine, ignore the above one.

What, a virus that might be used later?  You mean I have to actually *read* this?
*reads*
Roman, fairs fair.  Either turn them into actual Germans, or pick a new name.  Otherwise it's far, far too confusing..
I'll reserve comment on the diseases' costing when I see it.  Unless it's magical in nature (and then it wouldn't be able to enter the area with the civilians because the cities are protected from magic), changing someone's DNA and thus changing their form counts as the fairly advanced sci-fi, so it's cost has to be at least 50% plus whatever it's strength otherwise is.

Tsunade - 400 km is 400 km along the ground, not 400 km high.  That is, if your planes are a normal height he can hit them up to 400 km away.  As to how high he can hit them, that's a totally different thing (and Wiki doesn't know, so you'd have to ask Bayen).

Roman - You shouldn't be complaining to Tsunade she didn't tell you about secret stealth stuff.  You should complain to Bayen, and Bayen alone.  Only you and he know the capabilities of your AA, and only he and Tsunade knows how her stealth planes are stealthed.  So only he can tell you whether it hits or not.

Just my two CP

2009/2/1 Andreas Mayer <the....@gmail.com>

[Roman]

Haha, well the whole turning into "Germans" was a joke of a name, as I
never decided a true name for the beast. I guess you can just call
them Lupams for now, until an actual scientific name is chosen. As for
the actual biological weapon, how is that any more cowardly than using
a gun or any weapon? If anything, it is just a little bit more
sadistic in nature and less humane. I had a little tube of the stuff
priced at 100 CP for one use and a very small amount, and I just
happen to be able to take advantage of an opportunity to release it on
some civilians. It is pretty devastating, but it takes awhile. I wont'
disclose the actual technology behind the virus, but I will tell you
that the more people it is in contact with the more it will grow.
Simply changes human DNA into wolf/human DNA. The main point of the
weapon is morale loss/confusion and sometimes death in cases where the
DNA rejects the viral one. It isn't magical, it is science fiction.

I had a lot of conversations with Bayen about this weapon. Just...
even if I backed out of this Grot Kesh ordeal there'd still be a
problem lingering around for awhile. I hope Toketi doesn't have strong
winds. Originally I was going to turn everyone into Montags.... but I
figured that'd be foolish to give away precious DNA like that!

And Gerk, as for disputing every movement Tsunade has made, how can I
help it? Bayen doesn't tell me things he should, she was flip-flopping
with her OOC data, and to agitate me even more questioned the
integrity of my technology and such. This was especially frustrating
considering I burned down Dekiru city and she didn't even bother to
attack or do anything about it. And now Bayen still hasn't responded
to anything.

Common sense? I have lizard-men in chemical warfare suits firing
machine guns from a science fiction film. For placing a base, all my
operations take place in the city of Rapture. An exception I guess
because it is subterranean, but don't always think placing your
military bases in the middle of nowhere is always effective.

I think that wraps up the inquiries.

[Andreas Mayer]

100 CP should, I expect, be able to kill around 100 CP worth of people, and then the virus should die (have a small half life or something).  Now, of course, use that in a good spot and you can do effectively a lot more damage (eg if you get someone with an all air-orbat and infect their pilots, you could knock down a hundred planes; or if you just infect civilians, you could kill 2000 (which is worth 100 CP)).  But from a purely game balance perspective, even if realistically your virus may be capable of wiping out all of Toketi, for CITRA purposes it shouldn't be able to.  That, or it should be dead easy to cure. Otherwise, it's broken.   (like, for example, magic can have the same effect (transform someone), but as soon as you stop holding the spell (or, if really nasty you bind it and someone else shifts it material again) the effect immediately ends and the person reverses to their normal state).

I'm not trying to question your methods (though personally I think there's a huge difference between a gun and unleashing a virus/firing a hundred missiles from 2000 km away, a token Montague move), I'm just talking about game balance.  I'm not sure, when Bayen approved it, you and he both quite understood eachother's intentions for its use, that's all ;).

Other than that, have fun, this is such an Atticus move.  I guess the virus only affects humans and not other races?

2009/2/1 Roman <Ro...@toketi.org>

[Erin]

He unleashed it in a group of people, but they are isolated form any other people. Only that group would be infected wince the citizens all would have left the city from different places. They would not go straight to Dekinai knowing that there is a battle going on there. They would probably mill around in the plains, not sure what to do. They would just wait until somewhere is safe to go. The vial is technically around 50 CP with a 50% or 30% extra cost because of changing DNA. So you should only be doing 50 or 70 CP worth of damage. It was such a tiny vial, it could/t have infected every person who just looked at it, so probably a quater of the group of citizens near the box would have been infected. That would be about 1500 people.

[North]

well actually this is why biological weapons are usually illegal. one
person with small pox walks into a hospital and the entire building
WILL get infected and most of them WILL die. biological weapons are
scary shit and im my opinion 3-4 hundred times more devastating than
nuclear weapons if not more. unless as andreas said the disease dies
off quickly or is hard to get infected with. ie airborne virus should
be crazy expensive CITRA wise where as if it was say blood bourne
(AIDS) i could see it not costing too much but also not being a viable
weapon. maybe if the initail (release point) was air borne but died
within say an hour of release and from their it was transmitted
through the bite of someone infected (zombies!) it would be more CITRA
friendly and not cost an excessive amount... though honestly probably
still alot...

On Feb 1, 8:18 am, Erin <evilsockea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He unleashed it in a group of people, but they are isolated form any other
> people. Only that group would be infected wince the citizens all would have
> left the city from different places. They would not go straight to Dekinai
> knowing that there is a battle going on there. They would probably mill
> around in the plains, not sure what to do. They would just wait until
> somewhere is safe to go. The vial is technically around 50 CP with a 50% or
> 30% extra cost because of changing DNA. So you should only be doing 50 or 70
> CP worth of damage. It was such a tiny vial, it could/t have infected every
> person who just looked at it, so probably a quater of the group of citizens
> near the box would have been infected. That would be about 1500 people.
>

> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Andreas Mayer <the.an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 100 CP should, I expect, be able to kill around 100 CP worth of people, and
> > then the virus should die (have a small half life or something).  Now, of
> > course, use that in a good spot and you can do effectively a lot more damage
> > (eg if you get someone with an all air-orbat and infect their pilots, you
> > could knock down a hundred planes; or if you just infect civilians, you

> > could kill 2000 (which is worth 100 CP)).  But from a purely *game balance
> > perspective*, even if *realistically *your virus may be capable of wiping
> > out all of Toketi, for *CITRA *purposes it shouldn't be able to.  That, or

> > it should be dead easy to cure. Otherwise, it's broken.   (like, for
> > example, magic can have the same effect (transform someone), but as soon as
> > you stop holding the spell (or, if really nasty you bind it and someone else
> > shifts it material again) the effect immediately ends and the person
> > reverses to their normal state).
>
> > I'm not trying to question your methods (though personally I think there's
> > a huge difference between a gun and unleashing a virus/firing a hundred
> > missiles from 2000 km away, a token Montague move), I'm just talking about
> > game balance.  I'm not sure, when Bayen approved it, you and he both quite
> > understood eachother's intentions for its use, that's all ;).
>

> > Other than that, have fun, this *is* such an Atticus move.  I guess the

[Gerk Whitman]

and the fact that it takes a while to work makes it even MORE effective, and therefore costly.  because then the people who are infected won't know it, and spread the disease even further.

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

I had reasons to let him cost it how he did. Due to the nature of its
design, development, and testing, it has nowhere near a full transfer
rate (probably only 10-20% of people who encounter it are infected).
The fatality rate is also low (most likely near 10-20% of those
infected as well). The virus remains contagious only for a day or two
once broken out of the bottle, (and it can't spread too much since it
was designed and copying too many times breaks the delicate balance
needed), so the cost it has is about how much damage it will do,
especially when you consider the soldiers that actually do turn into
Lupins are stronger once they recover, since they now have wolf DNA...

[Gerk Whitman]

so, pretty much, it never really reaches Tsunade's army?  i don't see why it would if only given two days maximum to spread.

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

Tsunade's army did a secret move, mingling with the civilians to exit
the city. These civilians were the ones Roman infected, and the
disease spread. Her army won't take massive casualties at all, but
maybe a few men die and another few turn into "werewolves"... enough
to cause some confusion and panic.

[Gerk Whitman]

no, he released it in a completely different city

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

Hmm, true. I blame Corey for naming those two cities so they sound
alike. Then it's just civilians that are turning into Lupins...

[Gerk Whitman]

now that that's cleared up, let's move to this dispute about Tsunade's planes...

[ben.p...@gmail.com]

The problem isn't the planes, it's the airfields, which apparently
showed up after the attack. I assumed she had them somewhere near
Dekinai, since that is her personal city and she never told me the
planes were elsewhere. The real trouble came up when suddenly the
airfields were near Dekiru, in range of Roman. So, since the
airfields became "concrete" after the attack, I think the fairest
thing to do is this:

Roman successfully shoots down Tsunade's stealth planes.... but on
their return/landing, not departure. That way, she still gets her
attack in and continuity is preserved, but she is in range of Roman's
anti-air (which he spent a good deal of CP on), so when they come
back, he gets them.

[Roman]

Well, you guys should realize I over-dramatize my weapons a lot. It
isn't like I'm trying to kill all of Toketi and turn them into
Lupams.. I just thought it'd be an interesting experiment and a step
towards other things. I released it on civlians leaving Dekiru as my
army closed in, and I assumed they'd head for military protection of
Dekinai since Lazidawg's forces weren't causing damage anyway. Then I
took advantage of the fact Tsuande mingled with civilians outside of
Dekinai. I suppose that IS a stretch, but come on the events made
sense. I just want to read a post, a REAL backstory post, of someone
dealing with wanna-be-werewolves.

And as for the planes, does that mean the airfield is 5 pixels away?
Or more so that I might not know it is there?

And is Lazidawg still in the war?

[lazidawg29]

Yes, I've just had some horrid stomach flu these past few days. I've
even fainted twice and gone to the ER. :(
May I please ask Bayen to make a final ruling on this so we can move
forward (it's the only way:) )

[lazidawg29]

Woops didn't see Bayen's ruling :) NvM

[Roman]

"Pontius had not been one to partake in diplomacy, let alone much
mercy, but what Roman commanded was what was done. After days of
negotiating and peace talks between the neighboring regions, Roman
demanded his forces retract their invasion before more destruction
commenced.

Pontius growled as his battalions moved to the west, back into the
land of Rapture. They took everything with them that they had taken
into Grot Kesh.

It was only a day after Roman's withdrawal from the Grot Kesh war that
a batch of Praetor Hueys flew into Grot Kesh, under the watchful eye
of Tsunade, and delivered four crates of Montag Virus cure
vaccinations to the city of Dekinai. They then returned home to
Rapture to rest in their nest."

Summary:

The war officially ends in Grot Kesh and all forces return to the
region of Rapture.
Montag Virus cure is delivered to Tsunade.