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who is smarter than Dr doom or better than him when it comes to prep time? Marvel characters only! Also I've read about some of his feats and what hes capable of, why does he get beaten by Fantastic 4 when he seems so far above them?
Only beings I put in Reed/Doom territory of smarts is Thanos. Never followed the ultimate universe but from trying to like the maker in ANAD marvel, he's not very impressive. I mean he's smart af. He knows the whole universal clock and whatnot. Ok I take it back, the maker too. T'challa close.
Now that I think about it, the only person who might be smarter than Dr. Doom in Marvel besides Thanos is the High Evolutionary. I think there was a thread where people said he would beat PC Darkseid.
@supermanwithatan01: Errrmm yeah thanos is way above doom , he is in the same league as high evolutionary and galactus, Dr doom is the one of the best human minds but he's nowhere near the smartest in the cosmos
@supermanwithatan01: You're right, he isn't Doom or Reed. He's freaking Thanos, the guy who outwits and outplays the entire Marvel universe on a regular basis, and that includes Reed, Doom, Galactus, etc. Doom is a dunce next to 'ole purple jaw, and unlike Doom, Thanos knows how to handle unlimited power.
@xlr87t3: Doom has more impressive feats consistently under multiple writers, instead of under 1. Also Thanos has never outwitted Doom or Reed. You're hyperbolizing him. Thanos might legitimately be Marvel's most overrated villain.
@cull_obsidian: okay... cite them? When has Thanos outwitted Doom? Name me a single impressive Thanos feat not written by Starlin that's impressive? Even using Starlin Thanos hasnt does as much as Victor under multiple writers. Name a single invention Thanos has that outdoes Victors inventions? Doom's gotten more done with less
@supermanwithatan01: You're right, he isn't Doom or Reed. He's freaking Thanos, the guy who outwits and outplays the entire Marvel universe on a regular basis, and that includes Reed, Doom, Galactus, etc. Doom is a dunce next to 'ole purple jaw, and unlike Doom, Thanos knows how to handle unlimited power.
@cull_obsidian: a thread where you and goldchamp ignore scans and arguments from multiple viners and then post scans of Thanos' feats based on character statements as opposed to on panel feats. Facts: everything Thanos has done under 1 writer, Doom has done under multiple writers. Thanos has advanced tech and Doom creates advanced tech.
Well it's said that Modok has "Super human" Intelligence, last time I checked Dr.Doom while insanely smart is only human. Granted Modok feats are not the most impressive could be becuase he's stuck the way he is.. got that stephen hawking syndrome. If dolphins were smarter than people I cant see them building cities or similiar feats due to their biology for example
Ok lets break it down for you, in that thread one doom fan was posting the same scans again and again , me goldchamp and many many others there dispriving all his claims, yes you are correct that many of thanos' greatest feats are under starlin , but so what ?? All that means is that he knows how to characterize thanks better then anyone , you know why ? .....cause he created him
One of them is during Marvel:The end, where thanos reveals he is constantly monitoring Dr doom as he respects him and knows how intelligent he is , snd doom notices thanos' spy cam and says its many more times sophisticated then even he could create
Another time is during infinity finale a group of Heros and villains are located on the moon acting as a last stand for the universe against annhilus , thanos arrives and everyone INCLUDING doom says there is no way to beat him and thanos quickly on the fly comes up with a plan and doom said there is no way
Let me make this clear , Doom is an amazingly brilliant scientist and engineer and one of the best minds on earth but thanos is a genius in all known fields of science , human snd extraterrestrial, hes is also over 3000 years old and has been gazing into the infinity well for years and also recently been submerged in the well, he knows countless cosmic secrets and has seen and done things that even doom couldn't fathom
Starlin strikes again and Doom saying it's pointless was WIS. The same character that plotted against PR Beyonder, Marquis of Death, conquered Asgard and Odin, Depowered Galactus and Surfer (twice), snuck up on and temporarily killed the PR Molecule Man, defeated the Beyonders.. he's become God 3 times. He's created technology that Thanos has had to acquire, things he hasn't built himself.
Yes I have got that series actually, you do know that Tha is was only "guided" in the direction of the energy , from there on he actually had to fond it , fight through everything to get it and also assemble a team that could help him achieve it , and had to actually take control of the hotu , it took the previous gist 2000years to gain control of a small part of it thanos tok control of all of it through sheer will
Something else you didn't mention is that doom was also going after the hotu and failed miserably, he used his arguably greatest invention , the time machine , and he gad PLENTY of prep , but what happened ?? Doom failed
Yeah they are brilliant feats I'm not taking anything away from doom but it seems like your taking a lot away from thanks , I mean uts a fact 100% fact that thanks is more intelligent, thats not up for debate , I think your debating his prep savvy and ability to create machines , like I said thanks submerged himself in the infinity well , and is over 3000 years old , doom has done pretty well considering hes a human
You do know thanks has vastly more resources then doom and casually build sanctuary and dreadnought class super ships the size of cities , he literally build everybting inside there himself , with help from drones , that he also made , do you want me to mention the galactus clone he created ? Or maybe the time when the combineed might of doom and kang failed to defeat the magus but thanks could ?
I can't accept a character, who operates at a lower level (planetary) at a regular, consistent basis, to be more intelligent than another character, who operates at a higher level (above planetary) at a regular, consistent basis.
Doctor Doom is shown to operate at a planetary level, in a consistent basis. He deals with planetary level issues and his actions have only a planetary level of affect. There maybe rare, one time or two time feats of Doctor Doom performing feats above planetary, but I'm going by consistency here.
If Doctor Doom was as intelligent as some people make him out to be here, he would've transformed beyond Earth. Meaning, he'd be seeking challenges beyond the challenges of Earth. The fact that he still lives on Earth and still has a rivalry with a human, not an advanced extraterrestrial alien entity but a human being on Earth, shows that Doctor Doom really isn't at the level of the likes of Thanos yet. The fact that he still exists on Earth and takes human and Earthly like matters seriously, such as politics, being a president, being a threat to a planetary superhero teams like Avengers and Fantastic Four tells me that his intellect hasn't reached a level beyond Earth.
Someone like High Evolutionary, due to his intellect has transcended beyond Earth. He, unlike Doctor Doom, doesn't take Earthly matters significantly anymore. He has consistently shown to be operating and is consistently shown to reach a cosmic level. He faces far greater challenges than Doctor Doom. So really, only High Evolutionary can be compared to Thanos in terms of intellect (If we're talking about Earthlings and Humans). Neither Doctor Doom or Reed Richard are at the intellectual level of Thanos.
So to answer your question, characters like High Evolutionary, Thanos (obviously), The Leader, The Watchers and pretty much any cosmic tier characters. They're all more intelligent than Thanos. I'd also say Ultron is more intelligent than Doctor Doom as well, considering he has no biological human limitations like Doctor Doom.
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