Phantom Floor
Onfroi Baird
A few cities in the Bay Area have these requirements and they call the areas 2nd or 3rd floor "equivalents." They are just trying to make the house footprint sizes smaller for a specific lot, I think.
Most (all) of Monterey County jurisdictions use 5' as the cut off point for floor area. I did a project in the City of Monterey and there were steeply sloping ceiling areas. We only started the floor area calc based on the 60" shown in section.
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Now that we are beginning to work on it again, there appears to be a phantom wall intersecting rooms on one floor. No existing, demo or new walls are located here on this level or above/below. There are also no hidden room separation lines. This 'phantom wall' appears to be 8" and impacts the rooms in both the existing and new construction phases, in plan, section and 3D views.
We have tried all the various ways around tracking this wall/room separation down, and have yet to find it. Room Separation lines are visible, and none are anywhere near this part of the building. Filtering out all walls, at all levels does not find anything here either. Similarly, going thru all the wall types in the project and choosing to 'Select all Instances' does not find anything at this location. Same with doors, just in case there is a 20' long door opening or something. No model items are hidden at this location. Other walls and room separation lines can intersect/interact with this, but you can not select to extend to it or snap to its end.
Snapshots below show with the room(s) surrounding this area selected for ease of viewing them being intersected; shown in the 'new construction' plan and section thru the corridor (but the existing and demo act the same). Going back to early PDF prints of the project the original staff worked on, shows as masking out the rooms there as well, so assume whatever originally caused this was un-intentional and ignored at the time.
Edit: actually, there has been a couple of posts in the past year about a simular "phantom" issue. One of which the OP posted their file and I couldn't find the source either. If you want to post your file, I'll see what I can determine.
Could very well be a BUG. As I said, there has been 2 threads in the past year that I have participated in that have involved the same exact phenom. If you cannot post your file here for us to examine, may I suggest that you open a Support Case through your Autodesk Account Portal and submit your file to them for testing. If you do, please let us know what they find.
See if there is a thin roof or floor hiding below the view cut line. I've seen a case where a thin floor slab acting as tile was 1/2" above the floor level and it cause the room object to avoid that area.
However, I found that a wall below the room in question had a broken attachment to a roof which had been moved. When the roof was in it's prior place, the wall below did extend up. So, I did "detach all" to the wall, and detached the wall from the roof, and the problem was solved. So, check your model warnings; I had a warning about the broken wall-roof attachment which I had not attended to.
We've looked at a lot of forums and had our whole team trying to solve this same issue. For us, it turned out to be the model we received from another firm used worksets as design options and there were a bunch of design iterations on hidden worksets.
The National Park Service also continues to move forward with major infrastructure rehabilitation projects, and these projects may impact some of our concessions operations. As a result, we have paused lottery entries / bookings for Phantom Ranch overnight mule rides between December 2, 2024 and March 14, 2025.
Bright Angel Trail will be closed from Havasupai Gardens to Silver Bridge December 2024 through March 14, 2025. Those hiking to Phantom Ranch must take the South Kaibab Trail both to and from Phantom Ranch. Please note that there are no water fill stations on South Kaibab so pack plenty of water. Visit the NPS page for more information regarding the Inner Canyon Trail closures.
Phantom Ranch is a historic oasis nestled at the bottom of Grand Canyon. It is on the north side of the Colorado River tucked in beside Bright Angel Creek. Phantom Ranch is the only lodging below the canyon rim, and can only be reached by mule, on foot, or by rafting the Colorado River.
All Phantom Ranch reservations must be made in advance. Space is extremely limited. Additional individuals cannot stay under your reservation, and guests are prohibited from doubling-up in the bunks or sleeping on the floors.
Children are welcome at Phantom Ranch; however, we discourage young children from hiking to Phantom Ranch due to extremes in temperatures in the summer and winter, and the remoteness of the location. Families with children 5 years of age or younger are limited to cabin use only.
These accommodations are available to hikers only. There are 2 male dorms and 2 female dorms. Each dorm has 5 bunk beds, a shower, and a shared restroom. Bedding and towels are provided for each guest occupying a dorm bed. Children must be at least 6 years old to stay in a dormitory.
These accommodations vary in size and accommodate from 2 to 10 guests. Cabins are equipped with bedding, cold water sink, toilet, liquid soap, and hand towels. Showers, bath towels, hot water sinks, and liquid soap-shampoo combination are provided at a central location. Pricing for cabins is based on double occupancy; additional guests may stay with an additional charge.
Each caller will be limited to making one new reservation per phone call. Additionally, each reservation may include up to a maximum of nine guests for up to a maximum of four consecutive nights. Additionally, if a caller/guest has reserved multiple reservations via multiple phone calls, the maximum consecutive nights cannot be exceeded for that guest. As of Wednesday, November 1, 2017, Phantom Ranch requests will be processed using an online lottery system. Use the buttons above to enter the lottery or check for current availability.
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For overnight stays at Phantom Ranch, a maximum of 10 Hikers is designated as a Group. Learn more about groups here. For overnight mule rides, parties of 10 Mule Riders may book their reservation by calling our Central Reservations office at 888-297-2757, or by entering the lottery online.
In-bound duffels are duffels being taken down to Phantom Ranch. They must be presented at the Xanterra Livery Barn by 3:30 p.m. the day prior to the day they are to go down to Phantom Ranch. (Late Duffels are not encouraged. Duffels can be delivered to Phantom Ranch or to the boat beach (if rafting out).
A $10 additional charge (late fee) will be collected for late duffels per call (not per duffel). Guests should call the Xanterra switchboard at 928-638-2631 so the operator can arrange for an employee to handle the late duffel request.
If you have made advance reservations for Phantom Ranch, YOU MUST RECONFIRM YOUR RESERVATION 2 DAYS PRIOR TO YOUR HIKE. To reconfirm, call the Bright Angel Transportation Desk at 928-638-3283. This allows us to deal with any questions or problems you may have more effectively. It will also allow us to notify you of any recent changes with trail closures, pipeline breaks, inclement weather, or other items that may impact your hike.
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