new to the objective c thing

[brian]

I am .Net developer that is trying to learn objective c and wondering
what kind of community Cincinnati has for Apple developers.

[ethermeme]

Hi Brian,

I believe this group met a couple of times, then lapsed. There
certainly are Objective-C programmers in the area, but they appear to
be very busy folks. I guess I'm in the busy group as well.

If you're learning Obj-C and looking for people to hang out with,
there's really only two groups I can think of, and they're both
partial fits. AppleSiders Cincinnati (applesiders.org) is for Apple
fans, and there are a few developers in their ranks. And the
Cincinnati Programmers Guild (cincypg.org) which isn't specifically
iPhone or Mac oriented, but there are a few Mac and iPhone developers
in that group, including myself.

There may also be virtual user groups for iPhone developers, but I
haven't come across one. Pretty hard to believe there isn't one out
there, though.

Cheers!
Troy

[Edward Sumerfield]

There is also the Agile Round Table http://www.agileroundtable.org/ again not specifically Apply but with objective c knowledgeable people. 

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[Alex Robinson]

There are at least a few of us locally getting paid to write iOS apps. If there is interest it might be fun to have an informal meetup to get together to code and share ideas.

As far as online resources go I tend to rely on the iPhone developer forums and stackoverflow.com. If you sign up as a Mac or iPhone developer with Apple you also get access to all the WWDC videos.

Thanks,
alex

On Aug 25, 2010, at 3:31 PM, brian <bhyn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am .Net developer that is trying to learn objective c and wondering
> what kind of community Cincinnati has for Apple developers.
>

[sharp career]

Yes Alex i agree with you...

Cheers...
Hara

> Subject: Re: new to the objective c thing
> From: alexander...@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:58:53 -0400
> To: cincinnati-iphone-mac...@googlegroups.com

[Bob McCarthy]

Brian:

There are a number of mobile start-ups in the area (like my company
http://www.servicewebsw.com) and a few companies like Kroger who are
putting their toe in the water around mobile apps. The best place to
learn mobile development is at NKU. The Informatics department is
very focused on mobile as a core element of the curriculum and they
are more focused on the practical vs the theoretical approach to IT as
compared to the other area universities. I am working on putting up a
blog that should give everyone better insight into what is going in
this area.

Some things to think about... Android had been outselling iPhone prior
to the iPhone4 release and I expect to see Android to overtake iPhone
in the marketplace because Mr. Jobs and Co. have changed the app store
and the developer agreement restrict developer flexibility. Although
it is early in the cycle, Apple's attempt to control mobile marketing
and their attempt to push banner ads directly to mobile devices
through direct control over the main menu interface will eventually
drive many people away from the iPhone. If you have an iPhone walk
into a Best Buy and see what happens. I love Apple's minimalist
design but from an internals perspective Android is much more
sophisticated from a software perspective than the iPhone / MAC
Objective C approach.

HTML5 is now embedded in the lightweight browsers for iPhone, Android
and Blackberry. HTML5 is inherently multi-platform and HTML5 will
allow developers to write one set of code and then style the interface
to handle every platform. The embedded SQL database capabilities in
the browser will overcome the problems managing data over an
unreliable network. There is not a lot of information out yet there
but I would suggest taking a look at HTML5 now.

Bob McCarthy

On Aug 25, 3:31 pm, brian <bhyne...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Peter Kananen]

Although I'm not trying to get into a platform war of any sorts, I would take issue with many of your assertions about the benefits of Android/iOS. For example, the fact that Android is influenced so much by carriers has already lead to shovelware that you can't get off the device. That doesn't happen on an iPhone. Android is cheaper and is on multiple networks. Once iPhone is on Verizon, sales will rise accordingly. Plus, iOS isn't on a JavaME-like path of device fragmentation that Android seems to be heading towards.

As someone who has developed for both iOS and Android...I have not found Android to be more sophisticated. The tools certainly are not as good as Apple's.

Are you saying that you get ads targeted to you based on your location with an iPhone? I have never heard of that happening, and can't find any evidence corroborating that.

[wonton wonton927]

I agreed with Peter after doing both iPhone and Android development, but I think the future are both good for iPhone/iPad and Android, which is very like
in the past between Microsoft and Java.

[Alex Robinson]

I think the competition between Android and iPhone OS is a good thing, because it drives continued improvements in both platforms. I have also seen recently that most of the companies I work with have started to ask for an Android version of their apps, but it is still secondary to the iPhone and iPad. 

In my opinion Apple still offers a much more compelling story for developers of paid apps. Not only does Apple have over 100 million devices running iOS worldwide but there are 140 million iTunes accounts in 90 countries able to buy apps. The Android market place on the other hand is only available in 24 countries and only 14 of those are permitted to buy apps. Apple's policies may be annoying to some, but in my opinion it is well worth it in order to sell to 100 million potential customers in 90 countries with little effort or expense.

Thanks,

alex

[wonton wonton927]

To cincinnati-iphone-mac-developer-user-group Admin,

I made mistake to send my resume to the group.  Could you delete it before it reach the whole group?

Thanks!

Ling