new cider varieties

[Angela]

Hi
Does anyone grow / know of anyone who grows new cider apple varieties
(e.g. Hastings, Lizzie, Gilly, Fiona, Vicky..). I know that they
ripen in September and should be heavy cropping, does anyone have
anyother feedback on performance / what to look out for / make good
cider.. I am thinking of growing an acre on MM106.
Many thanks
Angela

[Andrew Lea]

These are the new cultivars bred by Liz Copas and Ray Williams at Long
Ashton before its closure and were intended for large scale commercial
use to fill some perceived production gaps. There is some information here
http://cideruk.com/files/publications/NACMNextGenerationOrchards.pdf

They have not been generally planted (yet?) by craft producers and there
is no information that I know of relating to their behaviour in that
context. It would be good to hear if there were!

I think they are distributed (solely?) by Frank Matthews who may have
more detail, at least on orchard performance?

Andrew
--
Wittenham Hill Cider Page
http://www.cider.org.uk

[beetorstevie]

I've previously snobbishly overlooked these new varieties because I didn't like their names, but actually the fact that many of them are earlies would be useful to me, in a location with a short, cool growing season (900' in Devon, UK). 

Now that they've been out a number of years, does anyone have experience in growing them? Particularly in regard to disease resistance? Thanks.

[Adam]

John Worle also supply these

[markbanzai]

As well as my traditional vintage varieties I have one each of Gilly, Tina and Three Counties. 4 years old on M111 from John Worle. All cropping well for their age but too early to comment on the juice quality. My thinking was they'd add bulk to my early crop of Foxwhelp and Tremletts . Gilly is the most vigorous and productive of the new ones and the one I was most interested in as I liked the description of "a farmyardy taste". My Foxwhelp of the same age has only just started giving apples this year and the Tremletts is very very biennial. I'm confident that between them I should get a decent blend most years, particularly if the Gilly gives a decent amount in the off years the Foxwhelp is likely to have. If not it will get mixed in with the late varieties those years. With little available knowledge of these new varieties I don't think I'd be brave enough to grow only them but certainly seem to crop well early in their life and early season if that's what you require.

[Andrew Lea]

On 29/12/2016 06:43, beetorstevie wrote:
> I've previously snobbishly overlooked these new varieties

For those who may be a bit puzzled by the resurrection of a 6-year old
thread without explanation, the apples in question "were bred in the UK
in recent years by Ray Williams and Liz Copas at the Long Ashton
Research Station before its closure. They crossed Dabinett and Michelin
with James Grieve and Worcester Pearmain and some of these selections
have been commercially released under a range of girls’ names such as
“Lizzy” and “Angela.” However, they were selected for early season
cropping in modern intensive commercial production and not with the
craft cider maker in mind, so it is not clear how many, if any, could be
regarded as being of ‘vintage quality’ and suitable for low input systems."

> Now that they've been out a number of years, does anyone have experience
> in growing them? Particularly in regard to disease resistance? Thanks.

There is a good bit of data on all of them pp 141 - 154 in Liz's book
here
http://www.vigopresses.co.uk/Catalogue/Books/Celebrating-Apples-and-Orchards/Book-Cider-Apples-the-New-Pomona-Copas-99011

Andrew


--
near Oxford, UK
Wittenham Hill Cider Portal
www.cider.org.uk

[Jed Davies]

Hello Angela,

I saw "Fiona" offered by Adams Apple Trees in Egremont

Jed

Dne neděle 26. září 2010 10:33:35 UTC+2 Angela napsal(a):

[Ted and Sandy Spearing]

[Ted and Sandy Spearing]

     Angela,

           If it of any help, there was a sizable cider orchard in Hereford a bit more than a year ago and some of the varieties you mentioned were planted there, namely Hastings, Gilly and Fiona comprising 10 acres, 5acres and 5acres respectively with all being 6 years old at time of sale. The Knight-Frank real estate office could probably provide contact information or just drive up the laneway one day and ask somebody. Anyway this may or may not help.

                                   Yours truly

                                          Ted Spearing 

On Sunday, September 26, 2010 at 4:33:35 AM UTC-4, Angela wrote: