Cider Apple Seasons
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Chris Rylands
Jul 18, 2013, 12:07:08 PM7/18/13
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Hello to the group, i have acquired additional scions of the below cultivars. The internet and most other resources are basically vacant of wether these are Early, mid, late, or late-late season harvest apples.
Have any of you have any experience with these apples, or know when they ripen?
Best regards
Chris Rylands
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Have any of you have any experience with these apples, or know when they ripen?
Best regards
Chris Rylands
CiderSupply.com
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Andrew Lea
Jul 18, 2013, 12:39:02 PM7/18/13
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On 18/07/2013 17:07, Chris Rylands wrote:
> Hello to the group, i have acquired additional scions of the below cultivars.
Couldn't see your list Chris?
> Hello to the group, i have acquired additional scions of the below cultivars.
Andrew
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Chris R
Jul 19, 2013, 1:00:46 AM7/19/13
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Hello to the group, i have acquired additional scions of the below
cultivars. The internet and most other resources are basically vacant of
wether these are Early, mid, late, or late-late season harvest apples.
Have any of you have any experience with these apples, or know when they
ripen?
Court Pendu Rose
wether these are Early, mid, late, or late-late season harvest apples.
Have any of you have any experience with these apples, or know when they
ripen?
Doux Tardiff
Frequin
Frequin Tardive de la Sarth
Grise Dieppois
Marechal
Muscadet de Levee
Noel Deschamps
Tardive Forestiere
Best regards
Chris Rylands
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Andrew Lea
Jul 19, 2013, 6:20:36 AM7/19/13
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On 19/07/2013 06:00, Chris R wrote:
>
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> Have any of you have any experience with these apples, or know when they
> ripen?
No personal experience, but some are noted in Bore and Fleckinger as
>
>
> Have any of you have any experience with these apples, or know when they
> ripen?
follows:
>
> Court Pendu Rose
No data
> Doux Tardiff
No data. But its name implies late.
> Frequin
There are many Frequins. You need to be more specific
> Frequin Tardive de la Sarth
No data (this one not listed!). But again its name implies late. Morgan
and Richards give it as Oct/Nov hence mid to late.
> Grise Dieppois
Early to mid
> Marechal
Early to mid
> Muscadet de Levee
No data
> Noel Deschamps
Late
> Tardive Forestiere
No data but its name implies late. Was grown experimentally in the UK in
the 1930's. Morgan and Richards give it as November harvest hence late.
Michael Bolt
Jul 19, 2013, 8:42:29 AM7/19/13
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Moser Fruit Trees in Michigan describes the Noel Deschamps as an early fall apple.
Best Regards
Michael
Best Regards
Michael
Rich Anderson
Jul 19, 2013, 1:37:56 PM7/19/13
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Morgan and Richards, Book of Apples lists Tardive Forestiere to harvest in
November.
November.
Chris Rylands
Jul 19, 2013, 1:39:09 PM7/19/13
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Andrew and group:
Thanks to the group on great input to the apple list. For anyone interested, here is my current cider apple data. I think that it is mostly correct. Distribute and post freely. Possibly all of our input can improve and add to the list and it could be an ongoing group reference? Just a thought.
Avrolles, Season__________?, Bitter)
(Judor, Season__________?, Bitter)
(Adams (Adams Pearmain, Norfolk Pippin, Hanging Pearmain)., Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Amere de Berthecourt, Late, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Ashmeads Kernel, Late-Late, Sweet)
(Ashton Brown Jersey, Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Baldwin (Woodpecker, Butters. Deacon Samuel Thompson, ), Late-Late, Sweetsharp)
(Bedan, Late-Late, Bittersweet)
(Bedan des Partes, Late-Late, Bittersweet)
(Belflower (Summer Bellflower, Yellow Bellflower), Late, Sharp)
(Binet Rouge, Early-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Binet Violet, Early-Late, Bittersweet)
(Black Oxford, Late, Sweet)
(Black Twig ( SORT: Arkansas Black,Mammoth Blacktwig, Paragon, Arkansas), Late, Sweet)
(Bouteille de Liseux, Late-Mid, flavor subacid)
(Bramley's Seedling (Bramley), Late-Mid, Sweetsharp)
(Bramtot, Late-Late, Bitter)
(Breakwell's Seedling, Early, Bittersharp)
(Brown Snout, Late, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Brown Thorn (Argile Grise'), Late, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Brown's Apple, Late-Late, Sharp (Full))
(Bulmers Norman, Late-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Calville Blanc (Calville Blanc D'hiver, White Winter Calville), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Calville Blanc (Calville Blanc D'hiver, White Winter Calville), Late-Mid, Sweetsharp Culinary)
(Calvin, Early-Early, Sweet)
(Cap of Liberty / Red Soldier Carrion Apple Cherry Norman / Hitterley, Late-Mid, Bittersharp)
(Champlain (Nyack, Summer Pippen), Early, )
(Chisel Jersey, Early-Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Cimitiere (Cimitiere De Blangy) – hard Cider, Late, Bittersweet)
(Cinnamon Spice, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Claygate Pearmain, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Coat Jersey, Late, Bittersweet)
(Court Pendu Plat, Late, Bittersweet)
(Court Pendu Rose, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Court Royal, Late, Sweet)
(Court Royal, Early, Sweet)
(Cox Orange Pippin, Early-Mid, Sharp)
(Cremiere (SemiSpur, Bi-Annual), Late, Bittersweet)
(Crimson King, John Toucher’s, Bewley Down Pippin, Late, Sharp)
(Crows Egg (Crow Egg), Early, Sweet)
(Dabinett (Best Blender) (French Cider), Early-Late, Bittersweet (Med))
(Dayton, Mid, Sweet)
(Dolgo Crab (Malus Pink Glow, Malus Dolgo) Hi Pectin, Early, Bittersharp, Culinary)
(Domaine, Late-Mid, Bitter)
(Doux Normandie "Sweet Normandie", Late-Late, Sweet)
(Doux Tardiff, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Duffilin, Early-Late, Bittersharp (Full))
(Dymock Red, Mid, Bittersharp(Med))
(Eargmont Russet, Late-Mid, Sweetsharp)
(Ellis Bitter, Early-Mid, Bittersweet (Med))
(Evereste Crabapple, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Fiesta (Red Pippen), Late, Sweet)
(Fillbarrell, Late-Mid, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Finkenwerder Herbstprinz, Early-Late, Apple Type__________?)
(Foxwhelp, Early-Late, Bittersharp)
(Frequin, Season__________?, Bittersweet)
(Frequin Audievre, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Frequin Lacaille, Late-Late, Apple Type__________?)
(Frequin Rouge (Frequin Rouge Amer), Early-Mid, Bitter)
(Frequin Tardive de la Sarth, Late-Late, Bitter)
(Fryberg (dessert apple), Season__________?, Sweet)
(Geneva Crab apple, Early, Sharp)
(Gilpin (Carthouse, Small Romanite, Little Red Romanite, Gray Romanite, Roman Knight, Romanite of the West, Dollars and Cents, Red Romanite, Romanite, Small Red Long Keeper), Early-Late, Sweet)
(Golden Harvey (Brandy Apple), Late, Sweetsharp)
(Golden Hornet Crab (Very high in Pectin), Late-Late, Bitter)
(Golden Nobel, Late, Sweet High in Vitamin C)
(Golden Russet (Bullet Pippin, Fox Apple, Long Tom), Early-Late, Sweet)
(Granniewinkle, Mid, sweet)
(Grenadier, Early-Mid, Sharp)
(Grimes Golden (Grimes Golden Pippin, Bellflower), Late-Mid, Sharpsweet)
(Grindstone (American Pippen), Early, Sweetsharp)
(Grise Dieppois, Early-Mid, Apple Type__________?)
(Gros-Frequin, Late-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Haralson, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Harrison, Late-Late, Sweet)
(Harry Masters Jersey (Port Wine), Early-Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Hewe's Crab(Virginia Crab, Cider Crab, Hughe’s Virginia Crab), Early, Sweetsharp)
(Honey Ball Crab, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Honey Gold, mid, Sweet)
(Hudsons Golden Gem, Mid, Sweet)
(Idared, Late, Sweet)
(Improved Dove, Mid, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Improved Foxwhelp, Late-Early, Bittersharp)
(James Grene (James Grieve???), Mid, Sweet)
(James Grieve, Early-Late, Sweetsharp)
(Jouveaux, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Karmijn de Sonnaville, Late, Sweet)
(Kermerrien, Early-Late, Apple Type__________?)
(Kerry Pippen, Early, Sweet)
(King David, Late, Sweet)
(King of the Pippins (Reine des Reinettes) (French Cider), Late-Mid, Sweetsharp)
(Kingston Black, Late-Mid, Bittersweet (Med))
(Lady (Lady's Finger, Petit Api, Pomme de Api, Pomme Rose, Christmas Apple, Lady Sweet and dozens of other synonyms) There are cultivars of Lady Apple that are larger in size but are considered of lesser quality, i.e., Black Lady Apple, Star Lady Apple, Large Lady Apple, Rose-colored Lady Apple, and the seedlings Helen and Highland Beauty., Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Le Bret, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Major, Early-Mid, Bittersweet(Full))
(MARECHAL, Early-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Margil, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Marin Onfroy, Late-Late, Sweet/astringent)
(Medaille d’Or (French Cider), Late-Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Metais, Early-Mid, Bitter)
(Mettais, Early-Mid, Bittersharp)
(Michelin (French Cider), Early-Late, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Milo Gibson, Late-Mid, Sweet Low Acid)
(Muscadet de Bernay, Mid, Bittersweet (Med))
(Muscadet de Dieppe, Early-Late, Bittersweet)
(Muscadet de Lense, Late-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Muscadet de Livce or Levee, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Nehou, Early-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Noel des Champs, Late-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Noel Deschamps, Late, Bittersweet)
(Norman-Cross Pink Meat, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Northern Spy (Northern Pie Apple, Red Spy, Red Northern Spy), Late-Late, Sweet)
(Northwood, Late, Sweet)
(Orin, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Orleans Reinette (Winter Ribston ), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Peau de Vache, Season__________?, Sweet Dessert)
(Pendragon, Early, Sweet)
(Pink Delight, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Pink Pearl, Early-Mid, Sweet)
(Pixi Crunch, Late-Early, Sweet)
(Porter's Perfection, Mid-Late, Bittersharp (Med))
(Prarie Fire Crab, N/A, Apple Type__________?)
(Pricilla, Late-Late, Sweet)
(Pristine, Early-Early, Sweet, Culinary)
(Red Jersey, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Red Sause, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Red Vain Crab, Mid, Astringent and acidic)
(Redfield, Early-Late, Bittersharp)
(Redfree, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Redstreak (spelt Redstrake, Red Streak or Red-streak, Herefordshire Redstreak or Old Redstreak ), Late, Bittersweet)
(Reine des Hâtives, Early, Bittersweet)
(Reine des Pommes (French Cider), Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Ribston Pippin, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Roxbury Russet (Boston Russet, Russet Golden, Leather Coat), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Rubenette (and also known and trademarked as Rafzubin.), Late-Late, Sweetsharp)
(Saint Martin, Late-Late, Bittersweet)
(Sam Young (Alternate Name: Irish Russet), Late-Late, Bittersharp)
(Skyrmes Kernel, Late-Mid, Bittersharp (Full))
(Smiths Cider (Alternate Name: Cider, Cider Apple, Popular Bluff, Choice Kentuck, Cider, Cider Apple, Fowler, Fuller, Jackson Winesap, Pennsylvania Cider, and Smith's.), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Smokehouse (Alternate Name: Gibbon's Smokehouse, Mill Creek, Red Vandevere), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Somerset Redstreak, Mid, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Stayman's Winesap (Alternate Name: Stayman), Early-Late, sub acid.)
(Stembridge Cluster, Mid, Sharp)
(Stembridge Jersey, Mid, Bittersweet)
(Stoke Red (Alternate Name: Neverblight), Late-Late, Bittersharp (Med))
(Sweet Alford (Alternate Name: LeBret), Late-Mid, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Sweet Coppin, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Taliaferro (Alternate Name: Colaw), Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Tardive Forestiere, Late-Late, Bittersweet)
(Taylors (Alternate Name: Taylors Sweet), Early-mid, Sweet)
(Tolman Sweet, Late, Sweet Low Acid)
(Tom Putt (Alternate Name: Jeffreys Seedling ), Mid, Sharp)
(Translucent Crab, Pink and white blossoms have a marvelous perfume., Early-Early, Apple Type__________?)
(Tremblett's Bitter (Alternate Name: French Cider), Early-Mid, Bittersweet (Full))
(Vilberie, Early-Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Wheelers Golden Russet, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Whidbey, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(White Jersey, Early-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Whitney Crab, Late-Early, Sweet)
(Wickson Crab, Late-Mid, Sweetsharp)
(Wild Horton, Mid, Bittersweet)
(Yarlington Mill, Late-Late, Bittersweet (Med))
(Zabergau Rinett, Early-Late, Sweet)
Best regards
Chris Rylands
CiderSupply.com
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Thanks to the group on great input to the apple list. For anyone interested, here is my current cider apple data. I think that it is mostly correct. Distribute and post freely. Possibly all of our input can improve and add to the list and it could be an ongoing group reference? Just a thought.
Avrolles, Season__________?, Bitter)
(Judor, Season__________?, Bitter)
(Adams (Adams Pearmain, Norfolk Pippin, Hanging Pearmain)., Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Amere de Berthecourt, Late, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Ashmeads Kernel, Late-Late, Sweet)
(Ashton Brown Jersey, Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Baldwin (Woodpecker, Butters. Deacon Samuel Thompson, ), Late-Late, Sweetsharp)
(Bedan, Late-Late, Bittersweet)
(Bedan des Partes, Late-Late, Bittersweet)
(Belflower (Summer Bellflower, Yellow Bellflower), Late, Sharp)
(Binet Rouge, Early-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Binet Violet, Early-Late, Bittersweet)
(Black Oxford, Late, Sweet)
(Black Twig ( SORT: Arkansas Black,Mammoth Blacktwig, Paragon, Arkansas), Late, Sweet)
(Bouteille de Liseux, Late-Mid, flavor subacid)
(Bramley's Seedling (Bramley), Late-Mid, Sweetsharp)
(Bramtot, Late-Late, Bitter)
(Breakwell's Seedling, Early, Bittersharp)
(Brown Snout, Late, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Brown Thorn (Argile Grise'), Late, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Brown's Apple, Late-Late, Sharp (Full))
(Bulmers Norman, Late-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Calville Blanc (Calville Blanc D'hiver, White Winter Calville), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Calville Blanc (Calville Blanc D'hiver, White Winter Calville), Late-Mid, Sweetsharp Culinary)
(Calvin, Early-Early, Sweet)
(Cap of Liberty / Red Soldier Carrion Apple Cherry Norman / Hitterley, Late-Mid, Bittersharp)
(Champlain (Nyack, Summer Pippen), Early, )
(Chisel Jersey, Early-Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Cimitiere (Cimitiere De Blangy) – hard Cider, Late, Bittersweet)
(Cinnamon Spice, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Claygate Pearmain, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Coat Jersey, Late, Bittersweet)
(Court Pendu Plat, Late, Bittersweet)
(Court Pendu Rose, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Court Royal, Late, Sweet)
(Court Royal, Early, Sweet)
(Cox Orange Pippin, Early-Mid, Sharp)
(Cremiere (SemiSpur, Bi-Annual), Late, Bittersweet)
(Crimson King, John Toucher’s, Bewley Down Pippin, Late, Sharp)
(Crows Egg (Crow Egg), Early, Sweet)
(Dabinett (Best Blender) (French Cider), Early-Late, Bittersweet (Med))
(Dayton, Mid, Sweet)
(Dolgo Crab (Malus Pink Glow, Malus Dolgo) Hi Pectin, Early, Bittersharp, Culinary)
(Domaine, Late-Mid, Bitter)
(Doux Normandie "Sweet Normandie", Late-Late, Sweet)
(Doux Tardiff, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Duffilin, Early-Late, Bittersharp (Full))
(Dymock Red, Mid, Bittersharp(Med))
(Eargmont Russet, Late-Mid, Sweetsharp)
(Ellis Bitter, Early-Mid, Bittersweet (Med))
(Evereste Crabapple, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Fiesta (Red Pippen), Late, Sweet)
(Fillbarrell, Late-Mid, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Finkenwerder Herbstprinz, Early-Late, Apple Type__________?)
(Foxwhelp, Early-Late, Bittersharp)
(Frequin, Season__________?, Bittersweet)
(Frequin Audievre, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Frequin Lacaille, Late-Late, Apple Type__________?)
(Frequin Rouge (Frequin Rouge Amer), Early-Mid, Bitter)
(Frequin Tardive de la Sarth, Late-Late, Bitter)
(Fryberg (dessert apple), Season__________?, Sweet)
(Geneva Crab apple, Early, Sharp)
(Gilpin (Carthouse, Small Romanite, Little Red Romanite, Gray Romanite, Roman Knight, Romanite of the West, Dollars and Cents, Red Romanite, Romanite, Small Red Long Keeper), Early-Late, Sweet)
(Golden Harvey (Brandy Apple), Late, Sweetsharp)
(Golden Hornet Crab (Very high in Pectin), Late-Late, Bitter)
(Golden Nobel, Late, Sweet High in Vitamin C)
(Golden Russet (Bullet Pippin, Fox Apple, Long Tom), Early-Late, Sweet)
(Granniewinkle, Mid, sweet)
(Grenadier, Early-Mid, Sharp)
(Grimes Golden (Grimes Golden Pippin, Bellflower), Late-Mid, Sharpsweet)
(Grindstone (American Pippen), Early, Sweetsharp)
(Grise Dieppois, Early-Mid, Apple Type__________?)
(Gros-Frequin, Late-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Haralson, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Harrison, Late-Late, Sweet)
(Harry Masters Jersey (Port Wine), Early-Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Hewe's Crab(Virginia Crab, Cider Crab, Hughe’s Virginia Crab), Early, Sweetsharp)
(Honey Ball Crab, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Honey Gold, mid, Sweet)
(Hudsons Golden Gem, Mid, Sweet)
(Idared, Late, Sweet)
(Improved Dove, Mid, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Improved Foxwhelp, Late-Early, Bittersharp)
(James Grene (James Grieve???), Mid, Sweet)
(James Grieve, Early-Late, Sweetsharp)
(Jouveaux, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Karmijn de Sonnaville, Late, Sweet)
(Kermerrien, Early-Late, Apple Type__________?)
(Kerry Pippen, Early, Sweet)
(King David, Late, Sweet)
(King of the Pippins (Reine des Reinettes) (French Cider), Late-Mid, Sweetsharp)
(Kingston Black, Late-Mid, Bittersweet (Med))
(Lady (Lady's Finger, Petit Api, Pomme de Api, Pomme Rose, Christmas Apple, Lady Sweet and dozens of other synonyms) There are cultivars of Lady Apple that are larger in size but are considered of lesser quality, i.e., Black Lady Apple, Star Lady Apple, Large Lady Apple, Rose-colored Lady Apple, and the seedlings Helen and Highland Beauty., Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Le Bret, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Major, Early-Mid, Bittersweet(Full))
(MARECHAL, Early-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Margil, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Marin Onfroy, Late-Late, Sweet/astringent)
(Medaille d’Or (French Cider), Late-Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Metais, Early-Mid, Bitter)
(Mettais, Early-Mid, Bittersharp)
(Michelin (French Cider), Early-Late, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Milo Gibson, Late-Mid, Sweet Low Acid)
(Muscadet de Bernay, Mid, Bittersweet (Med))
(Muscadet de Dieppe, Early-Late, Bittersweet)
(Muscadet de Lense, Late-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Muscadet de Livce or Levee, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Nehou, Early-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Noel des Champs, Late-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Noel Deschamps, Late, Bittersweet)
(Norman-Cross Pink Meat, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Northern Spy (Northern Pie Apple, Red Spy, Red Northern Spy), Late-Late, Sweet)
(Northwood, Late, Sweet)
(Orin, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Orleans Reinette (Winter Ribston ), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Peau de Vache, Season__________?, Sweet Dessert)
(Pendragon, Early, Sweet)
(Pink Delight, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Pink Pearl, Early-Mid, Sweet)
(Pixi Crunch, Late-Early, Sweet)
(Porter's Perfection, Mid-Late, Bittersharp (Med))
(Prarie Fire Crab, N/A, Apple Type__________?)
(Pricilla, Late-Late, Sweet)
(Pristine, Early-Early, Sweet, Culinary)
(Red Jersey, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Red Sause, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Red Vain Crab, Mid, Astringent and acidic)
(Redfield, Early-Late, Bittersharp)
(Redfree, Season__________?, Sweet)
(Redstreak (spelt Redstrake, Red Streak or Red-streak, Herefordshire Redstreak or Old Redstreak ), Late, Bittersweet)
(Reine des Hâtives, Early, Bittersweet)
(Reine des Pommes (French Cider), Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Ribston Pippin, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Roxbury Russet (Boston Russet, Russet Golden, Leather Coat), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Rubenette (and also known and trademarked as Rafzubin.), Late-Late, Sweetsharp)
(Saint Martin, Late-Late, Bittersweet)
(Sam Young (Alternate Name: Irish Russet), Late-Late, Bittersharp)
(Skyrmes Kernel, Late-Mid, Bittersharp (Full))
(Smiths Cider (Alternate Name: Cider, Cider Apple, Popular Bluff, Choice Kentuck, Cider, Cider Apple, Fowler, Fuller, Jackson Winesap, Pennsylvania Cider, and Smith's.), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Smokehouse (Alternate Name: Gibbon's Smokehouse, Mill Creek, Red Vandevere), Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Somerset Redstreak, Mid, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Stayman's Winesap (Alternate Name: Stayman), Early-Late, sub acid.)
(Stembridge Cluster, Mid, Sharp)
(Stembridge Jersey, Mid, Bittersweet)
(Stoke Red (Alternate Name: Neverblight), Late-Late, Bittersharp (Med))
(Sweet Alford (Alternate Name: LeBret), Late-Mid, Bittersweet (Mild))
(Sweet Coppin, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Taliaferro (Alternate Name: Colaw), Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(Tardive Forestiere, Late-Late, Bittersweet)
(Taylors (Alternate Name: Taylors Sweet), Early-mid, Sweet)
(Tolman Sweet, Late, Sweet Low Acid)
(Tom Putt (Alternate Name: Jeffreys Seedling ), Mid, Sharp)
(Translucent Crab, Pink and white blossoms have a marvelous perfume., Early-Early, Apple Type__________?)
(Tremblett's Bitter (Alternate Name: French Cider), Early-Mid, Bittersweet (Full))
(Vilberie, Early-Late, Bittersweet (Full))
(Wheelers Golden Russet, Late-Mid, Sweet)
(Whidbey, Season__________?, Apple Type__________?)
(White Jersey, Early-Mid, Bittersweet)
(Whitney Crab, Late-Early, Sweet)
(Wickson Crab, Late-Mid, Sweetsharp)
(Wild Horton, Mid, Bittersweet)
(Yarlington Mill, Late-Late, Bittersweet (Med))
(Zabergau Rinett, Early-Late, Sweet)
Best regards
Chris Rylands
CiderSupply.com
Claude Jolicoeur
Jul 19, 2013, 2:57:51 PM7/19/13
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Hello Chris,
Nice list - are all of those available in N.America?
There are quite a few French ones there, for which I am currently doing some serach for the French version of my book...
Most of info below is from Boré and Fleckinger, but also other sources.
Avrolles is late flowering, late to very late maturing, bitter
Judor is mostly a juice apple, with medium acidity and low tannin, harvested beginning of November
Bramtot would rather be early to mid for flowering, early to mid season for harvest
Court-pendu rose is a synonym for court-pendu plat. However, another important court-pendu is the C-P gris. Both are considered as "pomme à 2 fins" by the French, meaning they can be used for eating and for juicing/cider. They would have too much acidity to be considered as "Bittersweet" - "Acidulée" would be a better qualifier, Sharp in English. I doubt they contain much tannin.
Doux tardif - I have nothing, but as Andrew said, by the name certainly late harvest and sweet
Fréquin Audièvre, early to mid flowering, early to mid maturity, sweet
Fréquin Lacaille, late flower, early to mid maturing, sweet
Grise Dieppois, early to mid flower, early to mid maturity, sweet and bitter
Haralson is very acidic, certainly not sweet - not suitable for cider in my opinion.
Jouveaux, early to mid flower, mid to late maturity, douce amère (bittersweet)
Kermerrien would be bitter. It is given as mid to late harvest but my own fruit seems to be rather mid-season
Reine de reinettes (King of Pippins) is not a cider apple, but could be used as pomme à deux fins
Peau de vache - there are many of those, one is the old, and there is a new Peau de vache, as well as a Peau de vache musquée...
Redfree is early season for cider - not a cider apple, but I've ued it and it ain't too bad...
Ribston Pippin is mid-season in my orchard, would be high sugar, high acid, low tannin.
So, that's what I see after a quich look!
Claude
Le vendredi 19 juillet 2013 13:39:09 UTC-4, Chris Rylands a écrit :
Nice list - are all of those available in N.America?
There are quite a few French ones there, for which I am currently doing some serach for the French version of my book...
Most of info below is from Boré and Fleckinger, but also other sources.
Avrolles is late flowering, late to very late maturing, bitter
Judor is mostly a juice apple, with medium acidity and low tannin, harvested beginning of November
Bramtot would rather be early to mid for flowering, early to mid season for harvest
Court-pendu rose is a synonym for court-pendu plat. However, another important court-pendu is the C-P gris. Both are considered as "pomme à 2 fins" by the French, meaning they can be used for eating and for juicing/cider. They would have too much acidity to be considered as "Bittersweet" - "Acidulée" would be a better qualifier, Sharp in English. I doubt they contain much tannin.
Doux tardif - I have nothing, but as Andrew said, by the name certainly late harvest and sweet
Fréquin Audièvre, early to mid flowering, early to mid maturity, sweet
Fréquin Lacaille, late flower, early to mid maturing, sweet
Grise Dieppois, early to mid flower, early to mid maturity, sweet and bitter
Haralson is very acidic, certainly not sweet - not suitable for cider in my opinion.
Jouveaux, early to mid flower, mid to late maturity, douce amère (bittersweet)
Kermerrien would be bitter. It is given as mid to late harvest but my own fruit seems to be rather mid-season
Reine de reinettes (King of Pippins) is not a cider apple, but could be used as pomme à deux fins
Peau de vache - there are many of those, one is the old, and there is a new Peau de vache, as well as a Peau de vache musquée...
Redfree is early season for cider - not a cider apple, but I've ued it and it ain't too bad...
Ribston Pippin is mid-season in my orchard, would be high sugar, high acid, low tannin.
So, that's what I see after a quich look!
Claude
Le vendredi 19 juillet 2013 13:39:09 UTC-4, Chris Rylands a écrit :
Andrew and group:
Thanks to the group on great input to the apple list. For anyone interested, here is my current cider apple data. I think that it is mostly correct. Distribute and post freely. Possibly all of our input can improve and add to the list and it could be an ongoing group reference? Just a thought.
[snip the list]
Michael Bolt
Jul 19, 2013, 3:34:52 PM7/19/13
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Incredible list- thanks! Anyone out there in cider world have experience with Campfield?
Best
(Cimitiere (Cimitiere De Blangy) - hard Cider, Late, Bittersweet)
Best
Michael
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All,
I unwrapped the text to make it easier to read...
Best,
(Cimitiere (Cimitiere De Blangy) - hard Cider, Late, Bittersweet)
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Michael
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On availability, yes to 99% on what i have listed for being available in USA for sure. Getting across border to Canada i am not sure about. Most of these i attained from the USDA and Mr Botners 5000 apple tree collection in Oregon. He has an online catalog.
Since the climate here on the Northwest Coast of Washington State is almost identical to that of Normandy France, that is where i started my selections. After they mature, i will will see which cultivars survive and do the best with almost complete neglect. Then top-work the unsuccessful or high maintenance trees with scions of the winners.
Wish me luck!
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Kramer
Jan 7, 2014, 12:25:31 PM1/7/14
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Here is a list of information on some French varieties that I found as a table on the net and translated. It's comma separated, so will be easy to copy and paste into a spreadsheet and converted to table format.
Variety,Bloom,Harvest,Size,Color,Taste
BON PERE * ,mid,1,small,green and red,tart
MUSCADET DE DIEPPE ** ,early,1,medium,Yellow pink,bitter-sweet
BRAMTOT **,mid,1-2,small,yellow,bitter
CARTIGNY *,mid,1-2,large,yellow stripes of red,bitter-sweet
DOMAINES * ,very early,1-2,med-large,red dark stripes,bitter
DOUX MOEN ,mid,1-2,small,stripes red,bitter-sweet
GRISE DIEPPOIS **,mid,1-2,small,yellow,bitter-sweet
METTAIS *,early,1-2,small,red,bitter
ANTOINETTE **,early ,2,med-large,Wash of red,sweet
FURCY LACAILLE **,mid,2,small-med,yellow,bitter-sweet
LOCARD VERT,early,2,medium,green yellow,tart
MOULIN A VENT*,mid,2,small,green yellow,bitter-sweet
SAINT NICOLAS **,mid,2,medium,green stripes of red,bitter
BINET ROUGE *,mid,2-3,small,yellow and red,sweet
BISQUET,early,2-3,small-med,yellow,bitter-sweet
CLOS RENAUX *,mid,2-3,med-large,yellow stripes of red,sweet
DOUX COETLIGNE,mid,2-3,med-large,yellow COLORE of red,sweet
FREQUIN ROUGE,mid,2-3,med-large,TRES red,bitter
GROS OEILLET,mid,2-3,medium,green stripes of red,sweet
HAUCHECORNE **,late,2-3,small-med,yellow,sweet
JUDOR,mid,2-3,small-med,yellow stripes of red,tart
KERMERRIEN,early,2-3,med-large,stripes of red,bitter
MARIN ONFROY **,mid,2-3,large,wash and stripes of red,bitter-sweet
PETIT yellow,mid,2-3,small,yellow,tart
RAMBAULT,early,2-3,med-large,yellow stripes of red,tart
ARGILE *,mid,3,small-med,yellow greenish,bitter-sweet
AVROLLES,late,3,small-med,stripes of red,sour/sharp
BEDAN,late,3,small-med,yellow,sweet
DOUX VERET DE CARROUGES *,late,3,medium,wash and stripes of red,sweet
GALOPIN *,mid,3,small-med,yellow greenish,sweet
PEAU D'ANE,mid,3,small-med,stripes of red,bitter
PEAU DE VACHE MUSQUEE *,early,3,small-med,green,very sweet
ROUGE LEBORGNE **,mid,3,small,red,sweet
* Pomme Normande ** Pomme de Seine Maritime
Kramer
Jan 7, 2014, 1:12:15 PM1/7/14
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Another compiled resource from Long Ashton and Geneva regarding acid and tannin assessment, as well as commercial yeast data: www.growbetterveggies.com/files/tannin_acid_graph.xlsx
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Andrew Lea
Jan 7, 2014, 3:38:39 PM1/7/14
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On 07/01/2014 18:12, Kramer wrote:
> Another compiled resource from Long Ashton and Geneva regarding acid and
> tannin assessment
Seemingly taken from my web site. But with the caveats and explanatory
> Another compiled resource from Long Ashton and Geneva regarding acid and
> tannin assessment
stuff missing. The original is here http://cider.org.uk/appledat.htm
greg l.
Jan 7, 2014, 5:26:55 PM1/7/14
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I have to admit I don't understand what the word "tart" means as a descriptor. If I bite an apple and the fruit is tart it is because it isn't ripe enough yet(not sweet enough). If it is with reference to the finished cider wouldn't acidic or sour be a better word? Does tart relate to tannins, or is it the relationship between acidity and sweetness? Tart isn't a word that gets used much in Australia so maybe it is a regional term.
Greg
Claude Jolicoeur
Jan 7, 2014, 6:20:02 PM1/7/14
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Greg,
Tart was put in place of either "acidulé" or "aigre" which are the French descriptors for cider apples that have higher acid content. "Sharp" would have been a better English equivalent.
In the US, "tart" is used for apples that have an acidic flavor - would be used for Bramley for example.
Claude
Tart was put in place of either "acidulé" or "aigre" which are the French descriptors for cider apples that have higher acid content. "Sharp" would have been a better English equivalent.
In the US, "tart" is used for apples that have an acidic flavor - would be used for Bramley for example.
Claude
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