sealing top-grafts
David Llewellyn
I know it is early days to talk about next year’s grafting season, but better to be prepared. I did a bit of grafting this spring, but had intended to do a lot more, and I would have if I had a better method of sealing the unions. I was delighted when I received my delivery of Tenax Wax, but when I went to use it, I found it such a pain. Keeping it liquid and brushable is not very easy I think, and almost as soon as you have it on the brush, it is hardening. Does anybody have any different experience using this stuff? The old Arbrex paint was so much more effective, cos it was thick and gloopy but didn’t harden immediately. Grateful for any suggestions or stories of other experiences.
David L.
dave
percentage take.
Put a blob of vaseline on the top of the scion to seal that little cut
up but do all that in one go at the end. ie. don't cover your hands in
vaseline before the next graft.
David Llewellyn
has occurred, or would it stretch nicely if left on for a few months? I have
used Vaseline in the past - I even used it sometimes to seal the whole
union, but it seemed to perish the rubber bands I had used to tie the joint.
David L.
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to take place, I seal with home made grafting was of beeswax & paraffin wax
or lac balsam.
Mel
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Subject: RE: [Cider Workshop] Re: sealing top-grafts
Cheshire Matt
Only did 7 or 8 proper grafts this year (first time trying) and all have taken - although a couple did take a bit of time to get going.
David Llewellyn wrote:
I know it is early days to talk about next year’s grafting season, but better to be prepared. I did a bit of grafting this spring, but had intended to do a lot more, and I would have if I had a better method of sealing the unions. I was delighted when I received my delivery of Tenax Wax, but when I went to use it, I found it such a pain. Keeping it liquid and brushable is not very easy I think, and almost as soon as you have it on the brush, it is hardening. Does anybody have any different experience using this stuff? The old Arbrex paint was so much more effective, cos it was thick and gloopy but didn’t harden immediately. Grateful for any suggestions or stories of other experiences.
David L.
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greg l.
tight.
On Jun 22, 4:31 am, "Stephen Hayes" <hayes...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Agree the old Arbrex was very good, another casualty I believe of the 'you can't be too careful' brigade.
>
> I like Tenax grafting wax,. The mistake is to imagine you can brush it on. you can stick it in a cup of hot water and keep it semi liquid, but I find if you work it with a blunt knife like butter hard from the fridge it is fine.
>
> I use strips cut from freezer bags too
>
> Stephen
>
> From: Cheshire Matt
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: cider-w...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Cider Workshop] sealing top-grafts
>
> For the usual small splint/z-type grafts, I cut a freezer bag into 2cm strips. Wraps round tightly, and has a bit of stretch to it. Just tie it off in a couple of knots around the graft to finish it off.
>
> Only did 7 or 8 proper grafts this year (first time trying) and all have taken - although a couple did take a bit of time to get going.
>
> David Llewellyn wrote:
>
> I know it is early days to talk about next year's grafting season, but better to be prepared. I did a bit of grafting this spring, but had intended to do a lot more, and I would have if I had a better method of sealing the unions. I was delighted when I received my delivery of Tenax Wax, but when I went to use it, I found it such a pain. Keeping it liquid and brushable is not very easy I think, and almost as soon as you have it on the brush, it is hardening. Does anybody have any different experience using this stuff? The old Arbrex paint was so much more effective, cos it was thick and gloopy but didn't harden immediately. Grateful for any suggestions or stories of other experiences.
>
> David L.
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dave
method.
I only did one graft this year and that was simply to save the last
Laxton Superb we had. My uncle decided to grub one of the trees at his
place to make more room. it just so happened that the tree had one
branch of Laxtons Superb on it that was a result of the "interstock"
throwing a branch after they had been topworked over to Cox.
No reason to save it other than sentimentality so I grafted it onto
some "volunteer" rootstock from where I had grubbed a sick tree at my
place. The poor thing has got nothing going for it whatsoever, but it
is doing OK. Looking at the pic I can see it also has a dose of Apple
midge too. I don't bother about it on the mature trees as there is
nothing that can be done that won't cause worse problems elsewhere,
maybe I should go and treat this one.
As it was the only one I did this year and it has been successful, can
I claim 100% take when using insulation tape?
http://media2.turbosport.co.uk/2009/12/2010062122482533160pic.jpg
charlotte traynor
very well. Like Greg said, it pulls very tight and adheres to itself
easily.
Charlotte
David Llewellyn
then, just allow it to adhere to itself?
David L.
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greg l.
pliable so it shapes to the graft. I just find it easy to work with
and it can expand with the growing stem.
On Jun 22, 8:57 pm, "David Llewellyn" <pureap...@eircom.net> wrote:
> The plumbers tape sounds to be the job. So you don't even need to tie it
> then, just allow it to adhere to itself?
>
> David L.
>
>
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> We used Plumbers tape this year too (PTFE tape), which seemed to work
> very well. Like Greg said, it pulls very tight and adheres to itself
> easily.
>
> Charlotte
>
> > A poor example of my handiwork, but illustrates the insulation tape
> > method.
> > I only did one graft this year and that was simply to save the last
> > Laxton Superb we had. My uncle decided to grub one of the trees at his
> > place to make more room. it just so happened that the tree had one
> > branch of Laxtons Superb on it that was a result of the "interstock"
> > throwing a branch after they had been topworked over to Cox.
> > No reason to save it other than sentimentality so I grafted it onto
> > some "volunteer" rootstock from where I had grubbed a sick tree at my
> > place. The poor thing has got nothing going for it whatsoever, but it
> > is doing OK. Looking at the pic I can see it also has a dose of Apple
> > midge too. I don't bother about it on the mature trees as there is
> > nothing that can be done that won't cause worse problems elsewhere,
> > maybe I should go and treat this one.
> > As it was the only one I did this year and it has been successful, can
> > I claim 100% take when using insulation tape?
> >http://media2.turbosport.co.uk/2009/12/2010062122482533160pic.jpg
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> We used Plumbers tape this year too (PTFE tape), which seemed to work
> very well. Like Greg said, it pulls very tight and adheres to itself
> easily.
would never have thought of using that for grafting, but it sounds
reasonable - and inexpensive.
Personnally, I like to use Parafilm, which is a laboratory film that
stretches and seals. For my first grafts, I have used wax, and never
have used that again as it was much too messy to work on the field. I
have used a lot a tar based paint called Braco and another similar by
CIL but they are not available anymore. When my supply ended, I tried
some roof tar, but for some reason, none of the grafts took! So now, I
use a paste that contains beeswax for some of the grafts, and parafilm
for whip-and-tongue grafts.
Claude
Ray Blockley
products? Assuming you can cut the bl$$dy stuff of course!
Just seems there are a number of different and stretchy versions of this
around at the local supermarkets...
Ray.
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Stephen Hayes
unsolicited gift from the USA, the results have been good on a small number
of grafts, but I was slightly disconcerted to note it splitting and falling
off somewhat before I had intended to remove it! However, the grafts have
taken.
Stephen
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From: "Ray Blockley" <raybl...@ntlworld.com>
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Subject: Re: [Cider Workshop] Re: sealing top-grafts
dave
thread, it has taken well and loads of callous.
I've come up with an idea for an almost perfect grafting tape. Just
take your old video cassettes apart. Recycling at its best as I
certainly never watch mine any more.