Cider Making Verb

[Ryan Kovar]

All,

   I am newbie to the cider-making world but am learning vast amounts from this mailing list. I really appreciate the knowledge and sharing environment this list fosters.  Which leads me to my slightly off piste question. Is there an actual verb for "making cider" in English/French/Spanish? As in, you brew beer, you distill whisky, Meadhing makes mead, and you vint wine.  What do you "blank" cider.

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   Ryan Kovar

"Illegitimi non carborundum"

[Andrew Lea]

On 16/11/2013 00:35, Ryan Kovar wrote:
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> Is there an actual verb for "making cider" in
> English/French/Spanish? As in, you brew beer, you distill whisky,

> Meadhing makes mead, and you vint wine. What do you "/blank/" cider.

In standard English, cider is simply "made". The person who makes it is
a "cidermaker". Sorry but that's all there is to it. There is no special
verb. (And surely nobody "vints" wine, except in pretentious lifestyle
magazines?).

Andrew

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[greg l.]

A winemaker makes wine, a cidermaker makes cider. The term Vintner isn't used very often, as Andrew says (sort of) it makes you sound like a wanker.

I don't know of any cider equivalent to the term vigneron, a vigneron grows the grapes as well as making the wine. I suppose pomologist would be the equivalent of viticulturist, but most would say orchardist.

Greg

[Max Nowell]

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[Martin@Briz]

In Spanish, the term 'elaborar' is used for beer-making. I had a discussion with a Spanish friend recently and she reckoned it's the same for cider but she lives in Barcelona not Asturias.

 

I don't know in French, but there is at least one person on this site who probably does - even if it is Canadian French.

 

I' can't say I've ever heard of a term in English but maybe now's the chance to invent one. When I'm busy doing something regarding cider (milling, pressing, racking) and don't have time to go out to meet friends I tell them that I'm "ciderising". Of course, that might just mean that I'm drinking the stuff.

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

[Claude Jolicoeur]

Martin@Briz wrote:

In Spanish, the term 'elaborar' is used for beer-making. I had a discussion with a Spanish friend recently and she reckoned it's the same for cider but she lives in Barcelona not Asturias.

I don't know in French, but there is at least one person on this site who probably does - even if it is Canadian French.

I guess you mean me...
Interestingly, in France, the historical word used for the pressing operations in "brassage", which is the French translation for brewing, and we have discussed this here a little while ago.

Otherwise, we'd say that "on fait le cidre", which is we make the cider - this even if actually the cider maker doesn't at all make the cider, but simply provides the best conditions possible for the yeast to perform their work... Hence in fact, it is the yeast that make the cider!
Claude

[eduar...@gmail.com]

'Elaborar' means just 'make', it can be used for cider, beer, wine, cookies or pastries.

In fact for cider making we use special words in asturian language. Also the basques use their own language.

For example in asturian:

Pañar: picking apples
Mayar: pressing process
Corchar: bottling.
Sidre del duernu: fresh pressed apple juice

There is a huge special word book in asturias which relates just to cider culture which can not even be translated to spanish.

No misunderstandings with brewing for us.

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[Nick Bradstock]

Just to say that in the UK ‘pomologist’ is usually used to refer to those learned people who know a great deal about apple trees, apples and their make-up and growing – and pears too and many other horticultural disciplines – and use that knowledge to improve and develope understanding.  Usually, but not always, they have an academic background.

Liz Copas might be the touchstone to reference for pomology.

 

Also I believe the French also use the verb ‘elaborer’ about cider making in similar fashion to ‘elaborar’ in (Northern) Spain.

 

I’m with Andrew and would stick ‘to make cider’ and ‘cider making’.

 

To me (and perhaps to my generation) the word ‘vintner’ has always had centuries of use (1066 and all that) to refer to a person who supplies wine made by others to a consumer.

Best

Nick

 

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A winemaker makes wine, a cidermaker makes cider. The term Vintner isn't used very often, as Andrew says (sort of) it makes you sound like a wanker.