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[Jovial Monk]

I get the idea tho I think you have east and west mixed up.

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Pollination Group 1 apples in cool climate

CGJ <ca...@cedar-meadow-farm.com>: Oct 20 09:33AM -0400 Hi JM,   From personal experience, pollination groups are a rather coarse estimate. Actual pollination order can be effected by nanoclimate and particular siting.   In my small hobby orchard, I put the earlier blooming groups on the west side (catching only the cooler morning sun), and later groups on the east side (catching the much warmer afternoon spring sun). All bloom at just about the same time, but gravenstein (group 1) is the most westward and can actually bloom a bit later than hewes (3) which is more eastward, and roxbury (4) which is in the middle bloomed first (until the deer got to it).   Carl West Barnstable Massachusetts

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[Eric Tyira]

I’m not sure he does. 

You want late bloomers to get warm sun and early bloomers to get cool sun.  This way late bloomers would open earlier and early bloomers would open later.  

I think the question is, without knowing the layout, are there canopy trees on the East and West sides of the orchard?   If there are, then there would be morning and evening shadows and it makes sense. 

Carl, can you confirm?

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[CGJ]

Eric,

Indeed you are correct. This is a small place, with a tall canopy less
than 50 feet from the outside trees, so the sun is obscured by about 2PM
on the west, and does not really show on the east until about 11AM.

But I've read that the same thing applies generally on hillsides: west
side tends to be a wee bit warmer overall than the east side.

But this is definitely a case of "YMMV" which was my real point:
pollination order is not an absolute written in stone.

Cheers,
Carl
West Barnstable,
Massachvsetts

[Eric Tyira]

Nice!

I have a westerly facing slope with canopy trees close on the East side and a little farther away on the West side.  Have been debating this exact thing because I need to move trees from the nursery to the orchard.  Thanks to you I have a good idea of order now (early bloom west, late bloom east). 

 I would prefer to arrange the rows by ripening date.  There is decent correlation between bloom and ripening (late bloom equals late ripening) but it’s not 100%.  When I asked an orchardist about bloom he said not to worry because the bees will find the blooms.  Fair enough.

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