Found a U.S. source for rare apple & pear scions
Joe_in_CT
I found a pdf file of his collection here:
http://www.slant.com/orchard/Botner-2010.PDF
A few fruit names are cut off at the bottom of the pages...
Claude Jolicoeur
> Nick Botner has an impressive collection.
> I found a pdf file of his collection here:
> http://www.slant.com/orchard/Botner-2010.PDF
discussion list. It appears Nick is selling his property, as he is
getting too old to take care of it.
See:
http://www.seattletreefruitsociety.com/nick-botner%E2%80%99s-place-is-for-sale
There are some organisations that want to save this collection - will
they be able to work together and raise the required amound of
money??? The price tag is stiff for an individual.
Claude
Dick Dunn
> There has been a discussion about Nick recently in the NAFEX
> discussion list. It appears Nick is selling his property, as he is
> getting too old to take care of it.
This is unfortunate but not surprising--he's in his mid-80's.
I've been getting scions from him for 7 years now. As far as I can tell,
they've been accurate. It would be a disaster to lose the collection, or
to have the identification system get scrambled up in any way. (I don't
know how he keeps track of what he's got...it's hard to imagine 4000
varieties of apple in a single private collection!)
He does have a lot of cider cultivars. It's been of inestimable value
to me here since there is basically no information on what cider sorts
will do well in our climate/soil. So I just try a handful every year.
> There are some organisations that want to save this collection - will
> they be able to work together and raise the required amound of
> money??? The price tag is stiff for an individual.
Yes, but the incentive is tremendous. Claude, do you know if there's any
possible government involvement to save it?
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ciderman
12/22/11 post on his blog @: www.wagonwheelorchard.blogspot.com
On Jan 17, 1:28 pm, Claude Jolicoeur <cjolip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joe_in_CT wrote:
> > Nick Botner has an impressive collection.
> > I found a pdf file of his collection here:
> > http://www.slant.com/orchard/Botner-2010.PDF
>
> There has been a discussion about Nick recently in the NAFEX
> discussion list. It appears Nick is selling his property, as he is
> getting too old to take care of it.
Joe_in_CT
He sounded pretty good.
ciderman
benchgrafts, not scion sticks, from Nick's Orchard.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Chris R
I checked on my 2012 scion order from Nick today after hearing that this
year may be the last. I have been aggressively collecting English, French,
and American hard cider apple scions over the past few years. Now with the
news that he is selling the farm, I am going to put in another order that
may be my last one.
If any of you are interested in saving any special cultivars from his
catalog, and it is a hard cider apple (or Perry Pear), let me know. If I
don't already have it, I will order it. This Spring when I do my grafting, I
will work them into my grafting schedule. In two years or so, email me and
you can have some free scions when it is big enough to clip.
If I already have the variety that you need, (many right now are only a year
old) email me in a year or so and I will cut you some free scions in about a
year. U-pay postage though. sorry.
I have up towards 85 hard cider apple cultivars that will be coming into
clipping age in 1 to 2 years, I don't have a problem with adding more to
make them available to anyone.
I think that as long as we all can stay informed as to who has what variety,
we will have at least what we Cider-Heads need even if the new owner decides
to bulldoze and roto-till Nick Botner's collection into the ground inorder
to plant cabbage. I sure hope who ever purchases the land keeps the 4000
trees.
If not I have alot of his hard cider varieties.
Thx
Chris
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Steve Bonney
Hi all,
I checked on my 2012 scion order from Nick today after hearing that this year may be the last. I have been aggressively collecting English, French, and American hard cider apple scions over the past few years. Now with the news that he is selling the farm, I am going to put in another order that may be my last one.
Steve
Joe_in_CT
They are considering the replacement of lost varieties (at Geneva ).
I imagine that there's a lot of chatting going on...
Joe
Galen
Portland, OR is also well aware of Nick Botner's plans to sell his
property. They typically collect fruit from his orchard every fall
for their All About Fruit show and scions from Nick's place every
winter for their Fruit Propagation Fair.
Last winter they began an effort to reproduce Nick's collection and
have (I think) at least several hundered grafted trees, two of each
variety. It will be a several year project as they search for an
appropriate site, most likely 30-50 acres to save his collection.
Joanie Cooper is the HOS president and would be able to elaborate more
than I.
Galen
Chris R.
Thx
Chris
Joe
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Chris R
spring 2013 cutting.
Thx. Chris
Amere de Berthecourt
Ashmead's Kernel
Bedan
Belflower
Binet Rouge
Bouteille de Liseux
Bramley's Seedling
Breakwell's Seedling
Brown Snout
Brown's Apple
Bulmers Norman
Cap of Liberty
Caville Blanc D'Hiver
Court Royal
Cox Orange Pippin
Crimson King
Dabinett
Dayton
Dolgo
Domaine
Ellis Bitter
Fiesta
Fillbarrel
Foxwhelp
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Gilpin
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Granniewinkle
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Harry Masters Jersey
Honey Gold
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Metais
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Muscadet de Lense
Muscadet de Livce
Nehou
Noel Des Champs
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Pendragon
Pink Delight
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Pixi Crunch
Porter's Perfection
Prarie Fire Crab
Pricilla
Pristine
Red Vain Crab
Reine des Pommes
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Roxbury Russet
Rubenette
Sam Young
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Stoke Red
Summerset Redstreak
Sweet Alford
Sweet Coppin
Tom Putt
Tremblett's Bitter
Twistbody Jersey
Vilberie
Virginia Crab
Wheelers Golden Russet
Whitney Crab
Wickson Crab
Wild Horton
Yarlington Mill
Chris R
year or two, cuttings from most of these should be available.
If anyone wants to make sure a certain cider variety or perry pear is
available for future cuttings, let me know within the next week and i will
put it on my final order to Nick, and you can have free cuttings in about
2-3 years.
Claude Jolicoeur
> Hi all, here is my list of saved scions from Nick Botner's orchard. In a
> year or two, cuttings from most of these should be available.
>
> If anyone wants to make sure a certain cider variety or perry pear is
> available for future cuttings, let me know within the next week and i will
> put it on my final order to Nick, and you can have free cuttings in about
> 2-3 years.
I see in Nick's list: Pink Lady Janson (Pink Princess)
This is a variety that was bred by Fred Janson and hasn't been
propagated much, it is quite rare. Fred Janson was one of the founders
of NAFEX and had a large collection orchard in Ontario. And,
unfortunately, after his death, the orchard was bulldozed...
Although this is not a cider apple, it surely is a variety worth
saving and using in cider. A late ripening apple with pink flesh and
rich flavor. It is from a cross of Pink Pearl x Reine de reinettes
(King of Pippins).
He originally named it Pink Lady, but when the Australians started
marketing their own Pink Lady, he renamed his variety Pink Princess.
If you are interested, I could send you the article in which he
explaned this.
I have it in my orchard - Fred sent scions to me just a few months
before his death, but unfortunately it doesn't perform well in my zone
4 climate and has no vigor - I might even loose it in the near future.
And I don't know anyone else who has it!
Claude
Chris R
will put you down for the first cuttings.
Do you know which rootstock that it is on now? If you do, I will avoid that
type when I graft it this spring.
Possibly if you want scions of it, you could put it on a different rootstock
and have a more vigorous tree with better properties.
Thanks
Chris Rylands
CiderSupply.com
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Noah
What a wonderful list of cider cultivars you have. While the States
are quite large, it's a whole other story than many of the other
members of this mailer...I was wondering where exactly in the States
you (and your scion wood) are from.
Thanks,
Noah
Joe_in_CT
I have renamed "my" thread to maintain its usefulness.
Chris Rylands
You know that the USDA germplasm repository will also send you free cuttings. They have an online order form.
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Hi Chris,I'm a small time amateur cider grower maker (I'm a college teacher in TN). I did my first bench grafts this Spring and am excited to see my 25 little trees prospering (on G-41 Dwarf rootstock). I'm interested in trying chip or bud grafts this summer. ANy chance of buying some bud sticks off you later this summer? I'm interested in:Smith's Cider, Tydeman's Late Orange, Orleans Reinette, Freyberg, Kandil Sinap, and maybe, for my stepdad, The yellow transparent.Thanks,Mark
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