Perry pear in NZ

[Una Ren]

Hi all,

I have looked into perry pears for a bit but haven't found any in NZ, but just saw this listing on trademe. What you guys think? 

http://www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/outdoor-garden-conservatory/plants-trees/shrubs/auction-765039113.htm

Thanks

-una

[Alex Slater]

Hmm, those are the three varieties that Edible Garden's have started selling this season. I got one of each to try though the Kirchensaller is usually used as a rootstock elsewhere.  I had asked Sarah at Edible Gardens where she sourced them from, and she said they sourced them from Dieter Proebst’s trees from his (now defunct) Treedimensions nursery in Nelson so if you're down there it might be worth checking out.

For what ever reason there sadly seems to be distinct lack of Perry pears available in NZ. I've been after some scion wood for a while (to no avail).

I know Trevor FitzJohn (on this list) has also been on the hunt, potentially with more success than myself!, hopefully he'll chime in and give us the real story :)

Cheers,
 Alex.

[greg l.]

There is no reason you can't grow perry pears from seed. They won't be true to type but will still be perry pears, and it is a lot easier to import seeds than scion wood. They just need a couple of months cold treatment to break dormancy but otherwise are easy to germinate.

Greg

[Una Ren]

Thanks Alex and Greg for the replies, interesting that Edibles is selling these.

I asked the seller if he knows any more about the varieties, he said this:

"Hi, budwood has been sourced and the trees grown by a highly reputable NZ commercial grafting nursery so I have no doubt that what they are growing is true to variety, that being Pears for making pear cider. The main requisite for cider being the fruit is loaded with tannins for astringency. The descriptions are all that the nursery has provided. Try a google search on these varieties and see what comes up. Cheers!"

So these are probably from the same place in Nelson. After much googling I can't find much info regarding taste and tannin etc from these two "varieties". Kirchensaller is a common rootstock for pears, guess that would be some kind of wild pear?  Couldn't find any perry pears called Red Blush, though there are loads with red blushes...

Yup Trevor FitzJohn may know what is going on.

-una

[Una Ren]

Found this site, in german 

http://1000obstbaeume.de/2012/12/kirchensaller-mostbirne/

Google translate says:

Kirchensaller Mostbirne 

name: 

Kirchensaller Mostbirne 

Synonyms: 

Kirchensaller 

Development and origin: 

Chance seedling, Germany 

Use: 

Most bulb, base, stem-builder 

location: 

relatively undemanding to the site, 

tree: 

Grew strongly, forming large, roundish oval crowns, 

flower: 

blooms late 

fruit: 

small, flesh yellowish, firm, slightly juicy, slightly tart, sweet, with a high tannin content 

maturity: 

The end of September - beginning of October, holds only a short time 

assessment: 

healthy, undemanding cultivar for the landscape formative Arboriculture 

[Alan Stone]

And about 20 before they fruit!

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[Una Ren]

Thanks Alan for the info, some other german site seemed to suggest it is a good commercial pear... guess if you are willing to wait for a long time...

[greg l.]

I think Allen was referring to my advice to grow a tree from seed. I think that in 20 years you will have a big perry pear tree bearing perry fruit, I don't see the problem. Some people are just too impatient.

Greg

[Dick Dunn]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 02:32:04PM -0700, greg l. wrote:
> I think Allen was referring to my advice to grow a tree from seed. I think
> that in 20 years you will have a big perry pear tree bearing perry fruit, I
> don't see the problem. Some people are just too impatient.

Greg - If you don't see the problem now, you will when you're older!
Yeah, "pears for your heirs" but I want some for me too.

Based on actuarial tables, likely-as-not I don't have 20 years left. I
think I can beat the simple actuarial odds but I don't know by how much.
--
Dick Dunn rc...@talisman.com Hygiene, Colorado USA

[greg l.]

Well as I see it, a world with one more perry pear tree is a better world, even if I never get to see the fruit. There are always reasons for not doing things. As the marketing people say, just do it.

Greg