Speidel Motorized Apple Crusher Dilemma
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Humboldt Cider Company
Aug 14, 2014, 6:52:03 PM8/14/14
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Hello Everyone,
So with apple season coming around I decided to go ahead and purchase our apple crusher. We had decided on the Speidel crusher but when I went to buy it from the U.S. supplier (MoreWine http://morewinemaking.com/products/speidel-motorized-apple-pear-crusher.html) I was informed that it was out of stock and wouldn't be available till next year! I have done a bit of research and kind of had my heart set on that particular unit. When I started looking at European distributors none of them would deliver to the United States and I haven't been able to find another place to buy them here. Just wondering if anyone has a trick or solution that I am not thinking of? I know I should have purchased in the spring but with all the other preparations for getting this business off the ground it was unfortunately not at the top of my priority list. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Thank you!
Jamie
Humboldt Cider Co.
So with apple season coming around I decided to go ahead and purchase our apple crusher. We had decided on the Speidel crusher but when I went to buy it from the U.S. supplier (MoreWine http://morewinemaking.com/products/speidel-motorized-apple-pear-crusher.html) I was informed that it was out of stock and wouldn't be available till next year! I have done a bit of research and kind of had my heart set on that particular unit. When I started looking at European distributors none of them would deliver to the United States and I haven't been able to find another place to buy them here. Just wondering if anyone has a trick or solution that I am not thinking of? I know I should have purchased in the spring but with all the other preparations for getting this business off the ground it was unfortunately not at the top of my priority list. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Thank you!
Jamie
Humboldt Cider Co.
Headelf
Aug 15, 2014, 9:31:10 AM8/15/14
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There is a similar Italian made product that is all Stainless. Uses 110. Three part- top chute, bottom knife and motor and the screen. We used it last season with no issues.
Much quieter than our OESCo grinder. I think around $ 1,200.
Look at GW Kent, Brewcraft or Brewmaster. Got thru one of those.
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Chris Schmidt
Aug 15, 2014, 9:34:46 AM8/15/14
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Hi Jamie;
If you contact BosaGrape in Vancouver, BC, they have similar crushers in stock from another manufacturer (don't know the name). I use the medium sized one, which cost me about $1750, and it works great!
WV Mountaineer Jack
Aug 15, 2014, 9:07:25 PM8/15/14
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http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/fruit_press.aspx?utm_source=bing.yahoo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Fruit+Press%28BY%29#eag
Plesant hill grain also sells a stainless steel grinder, never used it but it looks pretty. WVMJ
Plesant hill grain also sells a stainless steel grinder, never used it but it looks pretty. WVMJ
David Timmerman
Jul 22, 2015, 3:02:49 AM7/22/15
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I'm finding myself in the same situation a year later... did you ever find a supplier for it?
Scott Jones
Jul 22, 2015, 2:18:23 PM7/22/15
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I would say the design would be extremely easy to fabricate by someone with moderate fabrication experience, eg buy the motor, fabricate the motor housing/legs, a simple rolled sheet with the cutter bought off the shelf or fabricated. I can't seeing this costing more than $1200-$1400
No postage, no import taxes,
A different approach to solve the problem
No postage, no import taxes,
A different approach to solve the problem
Andrew Lea
Jul 22, 2015, 4:54:02 PM7/22/15
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Scott,
From your remarks I would say you have never seen or worked with a Speidel Mill. It is far more sophisticated than you imply, especially the design of the cutter assembly and its integration with the throat and outlet tube. The reason it has been so successful here in Europe and more recently in the US is because it's far superior to other more generic designs which are based on simple shredders. It has been purpose designed for the job and it shows.
Andrew
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From your remarks I would say you have never seen or worked with a Speidel Mill. It is far more sophisticated than you imply, especially the design of the cutter assembly and its integration with the throat and outlet tube. The reason it has been so successful here in Europe and more recently in the US is because it's far superior to other more generic designs which are based on simple shredders. It has been purpose designed for the job and it shows.
Andrew
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Village Green Cider
Jul 22, 2015, 5:47:20 PM7/22/15
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Hi,
Wingrowers.info offer international shipping although not sure if it is cost effective.
Wingrowers.info offer international shipping although not sure if it is cost effective.
Thanks,
Ben
Claude Jolicoeur
Jul 22, 2015, 6:25:10 PM7/22/15
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Le mercredi 22 juillet 2015 17:47:20 UTC-4, Village Green Cider a écrit :
Wingrowers.info offer international shipping although not sure if it is cost effective.
Motor voltage would have to be checked however...
I think the Speidel mills that are exported to N.America don't have the same motors as those for UK and Europe.
ClaudeI think the Speidel mills that are exported to N.America don't have the same motors as those for UK and Europe.
Dick Dunn
Jul 22, 2015, 9:41:53 PM7/22/15
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I can give some specifics on the Speidel mill (construction, cost, voltage...)
for the US since I've got one sitting right behind me...acquired this spring,
tested, but not yet used in production.
Re cost and making one, Scott Jones suggested:
Keep in mind the motor housing must be completely waterproof while running.
That includes a seal around the motor shaft.
>...a simple rolled sheet...
One of the -big- advantages of the Speidel mill is that the hopper, feed
tube, and discharge are all one smooth piece of reinforced plastic. No
interior seams or joins; trivial to clean. As Andrew mentioned--purpose
built.
>...with the cutter bought off the shelf or fabricated...
You wouldn't find anything like the Speidel compound cutter off-the-shelf.
Yes, you could fabricate one if you're good in a machine shop.
Again as Andrew said of the overall design, sophisticated and effective.
>...I can't seeing this costing more than $1200-$1400
MoreWine lists the Speidel mill at US $1010--when they're in stock:-(
I got mine off-season for $860. However, it does have to ship motor
freight--which ain't free.
lastly, Claude Jolicoeur wrote:
> Village Green Cider a écrit :
> > Wingrowers.info offer international shipping although not sure if it is
> > cost effective.
> >
> > Motor voltage would have to be checked however...
> I think the Speidel mills that are exported to N.America don't have the
> same motors as those for UK and Europe.
I'm fairly sure they're the same motor. The Speidel nameplate indicates
230 V, 50/60 Hz. It's in German, and shows the CE certification mark.
MoreWine sells the unit with a power cord ending with a standard US 20 amp
220 V plug--looks like:
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as you look at the -receptacle-.
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for the US since I've got one sitting right behind me...acquired this spring,
tested, but not yet used in production.
Re cost and making one, Scott Jones suggested:
> I would say the design would be extremely easy to fabricate by someone with
> moderate fabrication experience, eg buy the motor, fabricate the motor
> housing/legs,...
> moderate fabrication experience, eg buy the motor, fabricate the motor
Keep in mind the motor housing must be completely waterproof while running.
That includes a seal around the motor shaft.
>...a simple rolled sheet...
One of the -big- advantages of the Speidel mill is that the hopper, feed
tube, and discharge are all one smooth piece of reinforced plastic. No
interior seams or joins; trivial to clean. As Andrew mentioned--purpose
built.
>...with the cutter bought off the shelf or fabricated...
You wouldn't find anything like the Speidel compound cutter off-the-shelf.
Yes, you could fabricate one if you're good in a machine shop.
Again as Andrew said of the overall design, sophisticated and effective.
>...I can't seeing this costing more than $1200-$1400
MoreWine lists the Speidel mill at US $1010--when they're in stock:-(
I got mine off-season for $860. However, it does have to ship motor
freight--which ain't free.
lastly, Claude Jolicoeur wrote:
> Village Green Cider a écrit :
> > Wingrowers.info offer international shipping although not sure if it is
> > cost effective.
> >
> > Motor voltage would have to be checked however...
> I think the Speidel mills that are exported to N.America don't have the
> same motors as those for UK and Europe.
230 V, 50/60 Hz. It's in German, and shows the CE certification mark.
MoreWine sells the unit with a power cord ending with a standard US 20 amp
220 V plug--looks like:
| -
o
as you look at the -receptacle-.
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Claude Jolicoeur
Jul 22, 2015, 10:32:03 PM7/22/15
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Dick, you certainly got a pretty good deal at that price - Speidel has it at close to 800 EUR on their site while WineGrowers lists it at close to 700 UK pounds.
As of the motor, I did exchange a few emails with people from Speidel a few years ago and this is the answer I got on the motor question:
From this I have assumed the motor was a different one from the European model... However it seems you got a US connector, so maybe it is the american distributor that added the connector.
Claude
As of the motor, I did exchange a few emails with people from Speidel a few years ago and this is the answer I got on the motor question:
yes, we have a 60Hz model of the apple and pear mill for the American market. But not with a US connector.
From this I have assumed the motor was a different one from the European model... However it seems you got a US connector, so maybe it is the american distributor that added the connector.
Claude
Handmade Cider
Jul 24, 2015, 6:45:11 AM7/24/15
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Claude said:
From this I have assumed the motor was a different one from the European model...
European supply is 240v 50hz, I believe it is 110v 60hz over the pond so the motor will be specific to region.
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Dick Dunn
Jul 24, 2015, 11:36:12 AM7/24/15
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:45:07AM +0100, Handmade Cider wrote:
> Claude said:
> >From this I have assumed the motor was a different one from the European
> model...
>
> European supply is 240v 50hz, I believe it is 110v 60hz over the pond so
> the motor will be specific to region.
Denis, I've already corrected this once. The motor on the US-sold version
> Claude said:
> >From this I have assumed the motor was a different one from the European
> model...
>
> European supply is 240v 50hz, I believe it is 110v 60hz over the pond so
> the motor will be specific to region.
of the Speidel mill is rated 230 V, 50/60 Hz. We do have both 110 V and
220 V over here. Since the motor nameplate rating is 1900 W, it wouldn't
do to have it on our normal household 110 V 15 A circuits.
What's different for the US version is merely the power cord, which matches
the receptacle on the mill to a standard US 220 V 20 A receptacle.
Normal US household mains are 3-wire: neutral and 110 V hot either side of
it. Normal appliance and lighting circuits are on the neutral and one side,
but higher-power devices use 220 circuits by connecting across the two
hots. (Any given receptacle is either 110 or 220.)
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Scott Jones
Jul 25, 2015, 10:20:31 AM7/25/15
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My comment was purely an out-of-the-box solution, of course buying a Speidel mill would be the best solution as it's purpose made.
I'm based in South America, importing items is extremely difficult due to corruption and my set-up is totally improvised, I'm always looking for the alternative solution to a problem.
I use a generic mill fabricated here, I'm sure it's not anywhere as good as a Speidel mill, but it does the job and the best of a bad situation.
I'm based in South America, importing items is extremely difficult due to corruption and my set-up is totally improvised, I'm always looking for the alternative solution to a problem.
I use a generic mill fabricated here, I'm sure it's not anywhere as good as a Speidel mill, but it does the job and the best of a bad situation.
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