rink presses

[martinpa...@btinternet.com]

hello all,

been looking around on the web and discovered a german company called “rink” selling small pack presses and basket type presses. its given me a few ideas about getting my mill up higher on a frame to save bending down.

the presses would be simple enough to make here to any size required.

has anyone heard/dealt with this firm.

check the videos out.

the mobile juicing trailer is neat but way out my price range

ive emailed them about their products but no reply as yet [3 weeks ago]

are they as good as voran presses??[the largest press on their site]

they seem cheaper than voran but a bit simpler!!! if that's English.

cheers martin.

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[Claude Jolicoeur]

They look very nice.
I didn't know about this company.
Claude

[Bittersweet]

Hi Martin, if you are UK-based, I believe Julian at Vitikit has recently started doing UK distribution for Rink. Might be worth a chat   http://vitikit.com/

Rink's kit is very good btw...

Neil

[Thomas Fehige]

Backgound: I have a second-hand Voran press and know the Rink presses by internet only. But I read German quite fluently ;) and their English seems somewhat strange, in places.

The Voran presses have their custom-made industrial style hydraulics underneath of the pressing tray, thus reducing the risk of contaminating the food standard area with hydraulic oil in case of leaks. Most of the Rink presses ar bottle-jack presses like what circulates here as DIY presses. Check out Claude's book for specifications. I'm not sure what size the TP 80 press is, Rink could be a bit more verbose as to their technical information.

The presses on their "commercial" mobile juiceries 500 and 800 are Voran double-bed turntable presses, one of them has the original Voran sticker on it, the other one is re-labeled "Rink".

The Rink scratter mill resembles the Voran mill in principle, but it requires pressing the apples against the drum during the whole process manually! In the Voran mill that happens mechanically through the twin cam-driven oak blocks as pictured in Andrew's book.

What exactly do you need to know about their presses?

Cheers -- Thomas

[Claude Jolicoeur]

Le mercredi 20 janvier 2016 12:57:30 UTC-5, Thomas Fehige a écrit :

The Voran presses have their custom-made industrial style hydraulics underneath of the pressing tray, thus reducing the risk of contaminating the food standard area with hydraulic oil in case of leaks. Most of the Rink presses ar bottle-jack presses like what circulates here as DIY presses. Check out Claude's book for specifications. I'm not sure what size the TP 80 press is, Rink could be a bit more verbose as to their technical information.

On  their smaller models, the number relates to the capacity in kg of pomace it can press in one load. The TP-70 has a depth of 60 cm, which is the size of the tray. From the table on racks and clothes, we can see the racks are 50 cm square, which makes sense for a load of 70 kg. The smaller ones, TP-10, 20 and 40 have racks of 30, 36 and 41 cm respectively.
In any case, these certainly seem more adequate for hobbyists and serious enthusiasts than for pros. But they look sturdily made, with an all welded frame.
It doesn't say however for the TP-80, and it isn't clear either if its capacity would be 80 kg or more.
 

The Rink scratter mill resembles the Voran mill in principle, but it requires pressing the apples against the drum during the whole process manually! In the Voran mill that happens mechanically through the twin cam-driven oak blocks as pictured in Andrew's book.

I was amazed when I saw this Voran mill for the first time. What a complex design to push the apples against the rotor. Too bad their designers didn't have my book before they designed their mills...

Claude

[martinpa...@btinternet.com]

hello, Thomas, I wanted to know what the shipping would be to the uk,that's all. also if they were as good as the voran presses at a fraction of the cost. just trying to save some cash before I buy an upgrade or make one !!!!!

I noticed the voran press on the trailer also. they seem to be big on juicing on the continent selling these sort of machines.

not seen any here in the uk on my travels

claude , the size of the tp70 racks are the same as a voran p100? I think, so not too bad a price really and the juice output per pressing of 50 litres is pretty near a voran aswell.

I think you could make the same size frame using box steal ,welded, and make your own for next to nothing. im just using ideas gleened from other companies. il get around to it one day!!

I do like the mill setup with press and pumace trough all close together and at height

good idea.

cheers ,martin

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[Thomas Fehige]

Am Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2016 21:02:47 UTC+1 schrieb Claude Jolicoeur:

I was amazed when I saw this Voran mill for the first time. What a complex design to push the apples against the rotor. Too bad their designers didn't have my book before they designed their mills...

There are a number of design flaws in this mill. But the pros are that it is really fast and you can adjust the fineness of the pulp. The mechanics to push the apples against the drum are not that complicated, they owe much to rural machinery design, middle of last century, say. I'm quite fond of that.

Flaws I found so far:

- the oak blocks that push the apples against the drum have non-stainless steel rods inserted in their ends. Oak + plain steel + moisture + perhaps a little acid ==> black stains and rust.

- Bits of pulp spray out the top when the hopper is nearly empty. More recent models seem to have a longer neck (the straight bit underneath the hopper) to prevent that. You'll have to lift your apple baskets some 10cm higher to empty them into the hopper though.

- Cleaning the mill in all the nooks and crannies it has on the underside is not straightforward. I'll have to learn where to point the Kärcher without seeing what I'm doing.

Claude, I'm not sure if your mill design can so easily be scaled up. It would soon become pretty high so that pouring the apples in would become awkward. Maybe you'd like to invent a homemade apple washer cum elevator like this one? ;)

Martin, I wrote them a short mail to ask them if they deliver to the UK and what the costs would be. I'll get back to you when/if I get van answer.

[Claude Jolicoeur]

Le jeudi 21 janvier 2016 04:59:07 UTC-5, Thomas Fehige a écrit :

Claude, I'm not sure if your mill design can so easily be scaled up. It would soon become pretty high so that pouring the apples in would become awkward. Maybe you'd like to invent a homemade apple washer cum elevator like this one? ;)

Well, actually, to increase the capacity of my mill, you'd make it wider, not higher...

With a rotor 10 cm wide, I currently get a capacity of the order of 800 kg/hr.
Making it 20 cm wide, with a consequent motor and feed system, no problem to make it well over a ton of hourly capacity...
Claude

[Thomas Fehige]

Of course you're right, Claude, I wasn't thinking straight. But I'd still like to have that elevator ;) 800 kg/h is more than a person or two would be able to sort and wash, isn't it? Sorting and washing became our bottleneck in our first season with the Voran equipment. Before, it was quartering and milling the fruit with our old Kitchen Aid machine...

Cheers -- Thomas

[Thomas Fehige]

Hello Martin, I got an answer (of sorts) from your namesake Martin Rink: "Yes, we deliver to England, per parcel service or haulage contractor [is that the word I'm looking for?]. Transport costs depend on what the order is." Not much wiser now, are we?

I didn't ask him if his presses are better than Voran's, wouldn't be very diplomatic, would it? Their presses should do their job, mostly on a smaller scale and with a little less pressure than the Voran presses, plus, you have the hydraulics on top of the press, like with most/all of the homemade presses of bottle-jack design. Looking at the prictures and the measurements (as Claude said, on their press-cloths and racks page) you get a pretty good picture of what they are; not much room for any secrecy. So I guess their presses deliver what you pay for. Less than the ones from Voran, but the question is what you need, and that's up to you to decide.

If you need more translationary help, e.g. the price of shipping for a specific machine of theirs, let me know, perhaps off list. We can always post results here if they seem of interest to others.

Cheers -- Thomas

[martinpa...@btinternet.com]

ok thankyou for your help, much appreciated.

I will ponder on their prices and let you know.

thanks,martin.