Apple Identification help
Richard Hostetter
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It sounds like the notorious fauxwelp from the old WSU Mt. Vernon collection.
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Jake Draves
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It sounds like the notorious fauxwelp from the old WSU Mt. Vernon collection.
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Subject: [Cider Workshop] Apple Identification help
Hi All,
I am looking to identify a mystery apple, which I have inadvertently wound up with a few dozen trees of. Photo is attached.
Apple in question is on the left in the photo. It is quite large, and is ripe and ready to pick now. It’s red-skinned but has the same characteristic powder-haze that you see with Harry Masters Jersey (middle apple in pic) but is much larger. It resembles Blue Pearmain (apple on the far right), which also has the powder-haze coating, with a similar size and shape, but Pearmain ripens here (W Oregon) a good 5-6 weeks from now, and I have several Blue Pearmain trees which stll have very green fruit hanging. The mystery trees in question are ripe now, so this variety is NOT Blue Pearmain in my view. It has white flesh, and is clearly a dessert or heirloom apple: it has no bitterness and fairly high acidity.
Any ideas? Bought several years ago and was supposed to be a very different apple, which it doesn’t resemble in any way (and will confuse the discussion if I mention it).
Thanks! Would appreciate hearing any ideas.
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Karen Brindle
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John Bunker
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Peter Dowd
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Other than being sharp, the WSU “Fauxwelps” were not very interesting and not what I wanted. They were topped grafted years ago. The old WSU trial orchard was established from a previous trial orchard and the trees/fruit were never checked as being true to type. There were several other misidentified trees and the orchard was replaced a number of years ago. Several cidermakers grafted them with similar results and the “Fauxwelp” name came from Dick Dunn as we compared notes on the Cider Digest.
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Dick Dunn
I'm not sure I was the first to coin the name for the faux Foxwhelp, but it
-was- "Fauxwhelp", not "Fauxwelp". "Whelp" in the original name copied
from the genuine variety, which supposedly took its name from a fox's den.
The misnomer is clumsy because it scans well in writing but you can't
pronounce it to make it understood. I don't talk much. Anyway...
It seemed that there were multiple varieties circulating in the US, back a
couple decades--let alone not any of them being kin to the true English
Foxwhelp nor any of its variants/sports, but being unrelated to one another.
There was an erroneous Foxwhelp in the Geneva (NY, not CH!) collection,
even into when some DNA analysis was being done, so some orchardists got
"confirmed" Foxwhelps which weren't. The situation isn't quite as sharp as
the US false Tremlett's Bitter (often zinged as "Geneva Tremlett's" because
of the mis-ID). However, the Geneva Tremlett's is at least a very useful
cider apple, just a bittersharp rather than a bittersweet. Most of the US
Fauxwhelps are sad, bloated, wan, etc...I could say they're not as bad as a
US Red Delicious if I wanted to "damn by faint praise".
Rich's note followed on to one by "Bunk" (John Bunker), which makes me
think that you should "beg, borrow, or steal" John's article
"Will the real Foxwhelp please stand up"
in the US periodical Malus, Issue 10, 2020.
It is a detailed account of a very real research trying to trace back one
particularly special apple through its various attempts to arrive in the
US.
On Thu, Sep 02, 2021 at 12:34:07PM -0700, rhand...@rockisland.com wrote:
> Other than being sharp, the WSU "Fauxwelps" were not very interesting and not what I wanted. They were topped grafted years ago. The old WSU trial orchard was established from a previous trial orchard and the trees/fruit were never checked as being true to type. There were several other misidentified trees and the orchard was replaced a number of years ago. Several cidermakers grafted them with similar results and the "Fauxwelp" name came from Dick Dunn as we compared notes on the Cider Digest.
>
> From: cider-w...@googlegroups.com <cider-w...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of John Bunker
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 5:20 PM
> To: cider-w...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Cider Workshop] Apple Identification help
>
> Richard,
>
> It is difficult to tell from the one photo. It could be Cortland. Send me 6 apples if you like and I should be able to ID the apple.
>
> Best,
>
> John Bunker
>
> PO Box 12
>
> Palermo ME 04354
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>
> Hi All,
>
> I am looking to identify a mystery apple, which I have inadvertently wound up with a few dozen trees of. Photo is attached.
>
>
> Any ideas? Bought several years ago and was supposed to be a very different apple, which it doesn???t resemble in any way (and will confuse the discussion if I mention it).
> Thanks! Would appreciate hearing any ideas.
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