Petainer kegs, has anyone used them?

[TedV]

Hi all,

We are currently looking at kegging some of our cider, the most cost-effective method that I can find is to use the disposable/recycle-able plastic Petainer kegs. I have checked through the archives and cannot find too much information on the subject. Has anyone used these? Are they suitable for an unpasteurized semi-dry sparkling cider? Thanks in advance for any information.

Ted

[Handmade Cider]

I have been using Dolium kegs and they are suitable for live cider although once under pressure, if they are to be kept a while before sending out, one needs to keep an eye on the pressure, as it can go up if the yeast kicks off again.  These kegs are only good to 3.5bar but if your cider is at 3.5 bar it will dispense like foam, I am currently putting 2.5 bar of carbonation into my cider.

Denis

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[cidercellars.com]

We'd be interested in learning more about your Petainer experiences - particularly for export. Was visiting one of www.cidercellars.com distributors in the USA and saw a shipment of Eric Bordolet ciders in Petainer kegs. There's growing demand for kegged ciders owing to the growing number of cider-only pubs on this side of the pond.

[Brett Lamont]

Hello Ted,

I am the Distribution Director of Petainer UK, if you would like to get in touch with me in order for me to supply you with more information please do not hesitate to do so: brett....@petainer.com


Best regards

[Ben]

Hi Dennis,

Do you carbonate in the keg (natrually?) or before somehow?

Thanks
Ben

[TedV]

We tried a test keg yesterday, cider was carbonated to about 18PSI before filling the Petainer. First glass came out and appeared to go flat very quickly. Currently have the keg in the fridge and going to see if it pours any better in a day or so.  

Ted

[Handmade Cider]

Bern I am both keg conditioning and force carbonating. Carbonation is done in keg, there are videos on youtube showing you how.

Ted you are carbonating at too low a pressure, I am currently carbonation at 2.5 bar which is about 37.5psi and maintaining the same top pressure on the keg for dispense.

Denis

Denis France   www.handmadecider.co.uk   07590 264804  Company. No. 07241330

White Label – Champion Farmhouse Cider, Bath & West Show 2015.

Spring Surprise - Cider of the Festival Chippenham Camra Beer Festival 2015 & 2014

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[TedV]

We have not been carbonating in the Petainer just to clear that up. We have the cider carbonated to 18PSI in our stainless steel fermenter (which when bottling has given us a very nice level of carbonation) and then we're filling the Petainer off of this. The Petainer we used was the sample given to us by the Customer Rep. and it was already "charged". Perhaps by increasing the top pressure while dispensing will help with maintaining the bubbles on pouring, thanks for the advice Denis. 

Ted

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[Handmade Cider]

Ted,

what pressure was the keg charged to? It will need to be at the same pressure as the carbonation or the co2 can boil off while the pressure equalises when filling.

Denis

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