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Allen Packwood

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Feb 6, 2013, 4:08:09 PM2/6/13
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Antoine Capet

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Jun 11, 2013, 2:59:11 PM6/11/13
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FW: Another Churchill press storyDear all,

Has anyone any idea who is the only woman (in the middle ground, above Churchill's cap) on the famous photograph of Churchill on
the east bank of the Rhine on 25 March 1945 :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Churchill_on_the_east_bank_of_the_Rhine.jpg

By the way, what uniform is he wearing ?

Thank you in advance for any enlightenment,

A.C.


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Gregory B. Smith

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Jun 11, 2013, 3:46:33 PM6/11/13
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Is anyone aware of a detailed study of the uses and fates of the 50 destroyers exchanged in 1940 for bases in the North Atlantic and Caribbean? Of what uses and for how long the bases were used by the U.S.? Andrew Roberts had some acerbic comments about the destroyers in Storm of War, but not much detail.

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Jun 11, 2013, 4:27:45 PM6/11/13
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Has anyone any idea who is the only woman (in the middle ground, above Churchill's cap) on the famous photograph of Churchill on
the east bank of the Rhine on 25 March 1945 :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Churchill_on_the_east_bank_of_the_Rhine.jpg

 Antoine, relayed from Paul Courtenay, a Finest Hour senior editor:

1.    I have no evidence, but I have always assumed that she was a photographer.
 
2.    WSC's uniform is that of Honorary Colonel, 4th/5th (Cinque Ports) Battalion, The Royal Sussex Regiment.

John Walstad

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Jun 11, 2013, 7:41:47 PM6/11/13
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Regarding the destroyer Conway's All the Worlds Fighting Ships 1906-1921 lists the dispositions of each of the 4 pipers

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Neil Coates

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Jun 14, 2013, 3:09:12 AM6/14/13
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The Churchills: A Naval History published in Finest Hour No 110, Spring 2001 pp 26-7 details the service of HMS Churchill, ex USS Herndon, later USSR Dyeyatielnyi.  The destroyers for bases agreement is dealt with in Fifty Ships that Saved the World: The Foundation of the Anglo-American Alliance by Philip Goodhart, 1965.  The definitive work on the whole class of over 250 destroyers is Flush Decks and Four Pipes by John D Alden, 1965. In addition to Conway’s All the World’s Fighting Ships, those outside the US may have easier access to Jane’s Fighting Ships of World War II, foreword by Anthony Preston, 1989 which is a reprint of the 1946/7 edition of Jane’s supplemented by information from pre-war editions to cover the losses during the war.

 

Most opinions of the usefulness of the destroyers is less than positive.  However, they did provide practical assistance at a critical time when no other resources were available.  I have recently acquired a copy of Lend-Lease, Weapon for Victory by Edward R Stettinius, Jr, 1944 which provides a more positive contemporary view.  Stettinius was appointed by Roosevelt as Commissioner for Industrial  Materials , the position responsible for the implementation and administration of Lend-Lease until his appointment as Under Secretary of State late in 1943.

 

I have not come across any significant information about the role of the bases.  The 99 year rights to bases in Newfoundland and Bermuda were “freely given” and strategically located for operations in the North Atlantic and thus make a direct contribution to the defence of the US.  The rights to the Bahamas, Jamaica, St Lucia, Trinidad, Antigua and British Guiana were “traded.”  These locations are more suited to operations in the Caribbean and in Latin America.

 

The greatest legacy of the agreement is the political climate this step provided between the “cash and carry” policy and the implementation of  “Lend-Lease.”

 

Neil Coates

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Antoine Capet

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Jul 27, 2013, 5:26:17 PM7/27/13
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For the happy few who have access to the New York Times website, here is a review of the greatest interest on the "special
relationship" (as it was not yet called) in 1940 :

"Those Angry Days," by Lynne Olson, and "1940," by Susan Dunn, revisit the ferocity of the disputes over America's entrance into
World War II.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/books/review/those-angry-days-and-1940.html?nl=books&emc=edit_bk_20130726&_r=0&pagewanted=all

Marcus Frost

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Aug 1, 2013, 10:05:34 PM8/1/13
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Dear Churchill Chat!
I was deeply repulsed tonight to hear that Chris Matthews on MSMBC called my Senator' Ted Cruz' a political terrorist! He is a member of the Churchill Centre Board of Trustees!
I have been a long supporting member of our group and I love Sir Winston Churchill, but if Chris Mathews is not removed from this board, I will never ever support the Centre again in any manner. I am a Winston Churchill Associate, a former member of the Board of Governors, a former member of the Board of Trustees, a Fellow Member on membership and a total loyal supporter of our group.
Sir Winston would have never attacked an MP, opposition or otherwise, in this manner. He's gotta go now!
We have never stood for attacks of this nature within our organization. I call upon our Chairman to remove this cancer from our group of admiring Churchillian's as He is a detriment to our cause.

Very Sincerely,
Marcus Frost

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David Freeman

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Aug 1, 2013, 10:20:37 PM8/1/13
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Marcus,

Was this on tonight's "Hardball" show?

Sir Winston certainly would want to investigate and know the reference to discover just what was said and in what context.
 
David


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Dear Churchill Chat!
I was deeply repulsed tonight to hear that Chris  Matthews on MSMBC called my Senator' Ted Cruz' a political terrorist! He is a member of the Churchill Centre Board of Trustees!
I have been a long supporting member of our group and I love Sir Winston Churchill, but if Chris Mathews is not removed from this board, I will never ever support the Centre again in any manner. I am a Winston Churchill Associate, a former member of the Board of Governors, a former member of the Board of Trustees, a Fellow Member on membership and a total loyal supporter of our group.
Sir Winston would have never attacked an MP, opposition or otherwise, in this manner. He's gotta go now!
We have never stood for attacks of this nature within our organization. I call upon our Chairman to remove this cancer from our group of admiring Churchillian's as He is a detriment to our cause.

Very Sincerely,
Marcus Frost

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> For the happy few who have access to the New York Times website, here is a review of the greatest interest on the "special relationship" (as it was not yet called) in 1940 :
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> "Those Angry Days," by Lynne Olson, and "1940," by Susan Dunn, revisit the ferocity of the disputes over America's entrance into World War II.
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/books/review/those-angry-days-and-1940.html?nl=books&emc=edit_bk_20130726&_r=0&pagewanted=all
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> Professor Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
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> 76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan
> France
> antoin...@univ-rouen.fr
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Harlan Cooper

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Aug 2, 2013, 9:21:01 AM8/2/13
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Amen!
 -  I am delighted to see Ted Cruz evoking "terror" among those on the left.  They do so deserve it. 
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Brett Weiss

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Aug 7, 2013, 2:19:25 PM8/7/13
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Shutting down the government because you don't get what you want would repulse Sir Winston…and this is precisely what Senator Cruz is threatening to do. Mr. Matthews was perfectly proper to call him out on it.

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QBastian

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Aug 7, 2013, 2:32:58 PM8/7/13
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True, but it doesn’t make Senator Cruz a “terrorist”.

 

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Brett Weiss

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Aug 7, 2013, 3:48:56 PM8/7/13
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The question is how "terrorism" is defined. 

If violence is a necessary element, I agree that Senator Cruz is not a terrorist.

If, however, the word is read in a broader sense to include economic threats, threats to livelihood, or simple intimidation—as I believe it is in modern usage—then he would qualify.

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QBastian

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Aug 7, 2013, 4:20:23 PM8/7/13
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Pretty broad.

 

Webster’s definition: “the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion”

 

I do not believe that throwing around a word like “terrorist” because we don’t like a person’s approach is appropriate or helpful. WSC often used words to describe his opponents that were hardly complementary and that is part of the game but I don’t recall him throwing around the word “Nazi” very lightly .  Also, due to the events of the last decade and the lives that are still being lost through the use of terror, it would be better if opponents were more sensitive to its use and chose to stick to their arguments rather than using a description that is unfitting. I realize this I may be naïve, but that does not invalidate my point.

Brett Weiss

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Aug 7, 2013, 4:51:55 PM8/7/13
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While the threat to shut down the government could constitute something pretty terror-inducing if you rely upon it for rescue services, air traffic control, payment so you can eat, or similar functions, I do agree that many contemporary politicians and pundits toss around such words rather lightly. Had Mr. Matthews added the modifier "economic" to "terrorism" I think that the objections would have been lessened.
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