As we have learnt earlier in the video about shruti, Indian musical notes are relative to the tonic. They are not like the western musical notes which have been standardized to certain frequencies. Every time that the tonic (or foundational note) is changed, the tuning of the violin is also changed. The tuning of the 4 strings, starting from lowest pitch to highest pitch:
In my opinion, the violin sounds the best in the Indian style when tonic string is tuned to E4. This tuning is much lower than the western tuning, so we shall explore string selection in future videos. So the 4 notes to tune the violin would be:
Hi Tejas,
This is Sagar! I have seen the video you posted in YouTube about the tuning the violin! I got a violin a week ago and i tried tuning by an electronic tuner . But i got failed to tune it correctly!To tune to E4-B4-E3-B3 I ended up with all different combination which I dnt know the order! For say when I Pa- the small thin string ( That is Base Pa- correct me because I dont know anything about carnatic music but I wanted to learn ,but never before ) make the pegs turn they will tune to E3,G3,and so on.. Is there any order for these like if I see E3, making the peg to tighten makes E4??? like any other order like tighten the string makes this order ??? E4 E3 E2 E1 C4 C3 C2 C1 B4 B3 B2 B1 A4 A3 A2 A1
Please let me know how exactly I make the tuning from other nodes !
First make sure we are talking about the correct string, Sa is the 2nd thinnest string. So if it is currently playing at G3, you need to tighten it significantly using the corresponding tuning peg. It will go from G3, A3, B3, C4, D4 and finally reach E4. Use the fine tuner screws to match the tuning up accurately. Again, make sure that we are talking about the correct Sa string, as you risk breaking the string if you are wrong.
Hi sir as i am very New to voilin i purchased and also tune very sharply with the help of your vedio but i want to learn more in voilin so i can play any song toy mother she is music lover too but one thing i want to ask u may i
Tanpura backing is almost a must while learning, practicing or performing Indian classical music. You have some amazing apps these days that offer the 2nd best option to using a real tanpura. For iOS I would suggest iTanpura, and for android: Bheema Tanpura. You should connect your phone or tablet to speakers while using these apps, as the internal speakers are not loud enough.
Hello sir,
I have been trying to tune my violin as the thinnest string as Sa, then the second string as Pa, the third string as Sa and the last string As PA. Can you please help me out here. I have tried everything.
Namestey
Thank you for all your valuable knowledge on tuning the violin.
I am very comfortable to tune my violin at E Shruti.
If I were to accompany someone ( woman/ child)singing in A, what should I tune my instrument to .Is it A3 E3 B4 B4?
Also what strings would you recommend for this ? Thank you very much for your help ?
Hello Tejas!
What is the difference between Hindustani and Carnatic classical? Well, what is the proper tuning for Hindustani classical music? Also, according to the literal translation of notes E corresponds to Ga but we tune to sa-pa-sa-pa. What am I missing here? Do explain this
Regards,
Sakshi
Hindustani and carnatic music are two different forms of traditional music existing India. They have many differences and some similarities which are beyond the scope of this discussion. E corresponds to Ga only if you consider C as your root. If you consider E as your root, E becomes Sa. Indian music follows the movable Do system where positions of notes are relative to one another. The western system on the other hand uses absolute frequencies which have been more or less standardized.
Many thanks for the videos.
Is there some context where Indian music is played on violin Pa-Sa-Pa-Sa?
I started that way because it was less a drasting tuning change for my instrument, and now feel quite confortable with it. Can that be suitable?
Sorry for the late reply. Indian music offers a lot of flexibility, and I have seen some people in the north of India follow alternative tuning systems. A rule of thumb is as long as you produce the range of music you want to play, that would be a starting point. As for Carnatic music in particular, many compositions have musical content below the lower Pa, so that would be a handicap. Adapting finger style is an easier problem to me that not being able to produce the range of sounds you need to play.
First of all, a great page with lots of useful Info.
I live in Germany and buying a strings here for Carnatic style is quite a challenge. So I had a question: If I want to tune my violin for Shruthi E4 (E4 being the Tonic Sa), I would have to tune to E3, B3, E4 and B4 as per the info available above. But which strings (In western style) to buy for it? I am not sure if the strings specifically exist for these notes. I mostly find here are EADG strings(In Western Classical style) when I give a search online. Could you please help me here?
Thanks,
Sharan
Piano and Keyboard notes of the song Thumbi Vaa Thumbakudathin from the 1982 Malayalam Movie Olangal in Western Notations and Indian Notations. Violin, Flute and Harmonium Notes, Chords, Guitar Tabs and Sheet Music of the song Thumbi Vaa Thumbakudathin.
Thank you for the posting both western and Indian notes. I am trying myself to learn a few simple songs using my Piano, so that I can understand the soundings of each notes. I appreciate your selfless service for music learners. God bless..
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