Registration Extension

[Mark Jaworski]

Hi, all.

I've decided to extend the 2014 CHSUL registration window.

It will now close Friday, March 14th, 2014 at 11:59p.

After Friday, registration will go up $10. Please pass this info along to your teams.

Mark Jaworski

Jawor...@osu.edu
614.371.7881

ride the wave where it takes you.

[Columbusultimatetd]

Hey guys,

Sorry to email everyone, but I'm looking for Dublin Contacts. Can the Dublin coaches email or call/text me?

Thanks ,

Rodger

614-439-3712

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[Mike McGovern]

Kevin,

As a coach in CUDA's high school league I have a proposal for next
year's state tournament and regular season start date.

Last fall I had proposed the high school league start in April instead
of March due to the weather and players ability to join practices.
Having the season start in March doesn't allow teams to have enough
practice due to weather conditions. Also, getting enough players to
show up for the first few practices is difficult due to winter sports
not being finished yet. Moving the season just a little later will help
for both of these issues. This season Mark Jaworski shifted the start
of the season a couple weeks, but as he explained to the coaches - the
season for the high school league is started based on the date of the
state tournament. The regualr season needs to end to leave time for the
city tournament as well as the state tournament.

I would like to propose that next year the state tournament be moved to
the end of May (obviously not Memorial weekend) or the first weekend in
June if the June weekend occurs before the majority of schools end their
school year. The purpose of this is to allow the high school league to
start the season later. Instead of games and practices happening in
March these can happen in May.

-Mike McGovern

[Justin Latz]

Although you may not know me and I may not know you, I have just recently exited the league after 3 years.  The state tournament is a USAU sanctioned event that has to stay on the timeline of the Easterns qualifier that some high school teams go to.  Also, that Easterns qualifier has to be in line with the U19 and club season.  This is why he date is where it is, and the flexibility is virtually nonexistent.


Justin Latz
St. Charles Alumni

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Subject: [CHSUL] proposal for state tournament and regular season start date

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[Columbusultimatetd]

Mike,

You bring up great points, and I wish there was an easy solution. I'll let Kevin chime in, as I am only speaking from experience and not from any point of authority.

There's a lot that goes into the timing of state tournaments...there needs I be a place to host them, they need to be during the right time, and there needs to be options in case the weather is bad.

This year is special in Ohio because we have d1 and d3 college nationals in the state. D3 is Columbus May 17-18, d1 is in Mason the next weekend. Also, high school centrals is scheduled in May as well. This year they are in Iowa May 17-18. The state tournament should not conflict with that regional tourney as we have a few teams from Ohio that attend it. So, scheduling all of this is tough to do. The debate then is, like you said, early May or June. A legitimate debate, and something I know has been looked into each year.

I think you hit on a couple points that we need to decide on as a high school group. The weather is never reliable in Ohio in the spring. Two years ago it was in the 70s in February and the season was pretty good for high school. Last year and this year have been worse.

If we want to get serious about growing this sport at the high school level, we need to get kids opportunities to play in good weather. We need to promote the youth summer league, and maybe even get something going in the fall. How cool would a 6 week high school fall league be to get the kids out and playing in better weather...September to end of October would be hopefully better. If the kids had that fall experience, and then came together in the spring, I think we'd see a huge improvement.

Sorry to high jack the thread...just some ideas I've been kicking around...and I know the real key is going to be getting the middle school kids playing.

Rodger

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[Mike McGovern]

I appreciate your thoughts. The more that chime in the better info we
have. I knew there would be several factors/variables in play, but I
wasn't sure what they were so this starts the discussion again. As you
said we just need to keep talking and see if there are other solutions.
Fall does sound appealing although the DeSales team would take a big hit
since it is made up of about 50% of kids from the soccer team which is a
fall sport.

Maybe the first weekend in June will work.

[Mark Jaworski]

I like Jake's suggestion of having a scheduling night. I try to do my best to schedule around teams' individual needs, but I inevitably schedule conflicts.

As far as the season timeline, I believe that Centrals doesn't have to be the end point of the season. Since that's a separate tournament and really isn't affected by the state tournament, I think we could have our state tournament at the end of May. Obviously we'd have to work around some other things, but I don't think it would be impossible to have states after centrals.

Mark Jaworski

Jawor...@osu.edu
614.371.7881

ride the wave where it takes you.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Chad Gregory <chadgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

One other thing, there is a Fall high school tournament in Cincy called Huckoween that features a lot of quality teams from Cincinnati. I have been there the last two years coaching a team and do not recall seeing any teams from Columbus, so it's a good idea to have that on your radar. Besides Cincinnati schools there were some from Indiana and Kentucky as well.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Jake Rathjens <j.rat...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think a fall league is great, but I think there's another problem in how the league is structured.

It's way too much work to require Mark to do all of the scheduling for one season, much less two.  In Boston, the high schools do play in both fall and spring, but the scheduling is done by the teams themselves: BUDA, the Boston organizing body, hosts a scheduling night.  Each team's captains show up and schedule all of their games for the season.  If a team needs to make changes, they let people know.

And it's true, a lot of teams have players playing other sports, but if we can get even half the kids out and throwing in fall, that will greatly reduce the amount of fundamentals we need to work on come spring.

Just my two cents.

-Jake

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Chad Gregory <chadgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just want to throw out the possibility that in case setting up a league for the summer or fall is too demanding, a series of clinics would also be an interesting option. These clinics could be run by Leadbelly, Fever, Madcow, or even the Revolution. Also, the Nike Camps seem to be expanding quickly and I know they work with college teams to run camps for youth.

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[Mike McGovern]

I think games should be set up by using software specific to scheduling games and once it is set the teams involved with a conflict on dates should be responsible for rescheduling it.  Mark should not have to do all the work that is involved with the massive task of setting up schedules.  Maybe next year CUDA should consider raising the fee slightly to support paying someone for some of the admin work involved.  This could be done in conjunction with volunteer work.  It just seems like too much work for Mark.

-Mike McGovern

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[Jennifer Holdridge]

These are all really good suggestions. I agree march is no good for ultimate and it's even sketchy in April... If we could play later in may that would be great. Also I like the idea of fall ultimate. Maybe the fall could just be pick up games and low key so it wouldn't create more work and scheduling. I also like the idea of a software program or having everyone have a representative show up one night for scheduling. I have to imagine having one person do all the scheduling is quite a bit of work:)

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[Rachel Sirey]

I really love the idea of playing more in the fall, I coached a team in high school and they were way more prepared in the spring because I started them in the fall and we actually practiced outdoors all winter long.  One thing they really enjoyed was a hat tournament in October.  We were a brand new team so they got to play with other  players both above and below their skill level, I think it also helped keep things friendly in the spring when they played against their hat tournament teammates.

As far as scheduling, it's awesome that we have the problem that it is so much work because that means there are lots of teams so I see thissituation as a positive!  In Cleveland, we did "Super Sundays" where all the teams got together at once and played 2 or 3 games (which also prepped the kids more for the endurance of tournament play).  Now this would probably be difficult to get ALL the teams together that often but since our league is growing, maybe we could consider two divisions by location next year?  So we don't have to worry about playing every team in the Columbus area and it could allow for more practice time  
after winter and maybe a shorter season in the spring.

One last thought about pushing things further into May is that high schoolers only seem to get busier and busier towards the end of the year as far as end of the year banquets, awards nights, other sports'tournaments, graduations, etc....just a thought......

-Rachel

[Kevin Baumann]

Hey everyone,

  There are some really great thoughts and ideas here. I certainly understand everyone's points of view as I have shared many of these opinions (and probably still do). Ohio is in a very unique situation because we are more than just one big city and have 2 fairly large, and growing, city leagues.

**To answer Mike's original concern: We HAD to pick the weekend that we picked this year, and that is very unfortunate. Due to D1 and D3 College Nationals being held in Columbus in May as well as HS Centrals (we have teams competing there), we had only 1 weekend that would work for us. I wish that I could have used the first weekend in June, but many (if not all) schools are out of session (and senior graduated, which is a big deal when USAU is involved) by June 7th. My district has to go an extra day and we'll still be done by then. So this year was a little unfortunate. Ideally I'd love to see States at the end of May. If we are going to hose College Nationals often we might be able to make both things work. I think that HS players would benefit greatly from checking out that level of play. I still think it's a good idea to try to get your team together to go to D3 in Columbus or D1 down in Mason.

In terms of Columbus - it is the biggest league in Ohio and the fastest growing! I've been involved in some way for quite a while and I have always thought that the season seems rushed, that players are not properly prepared, and that we could benefit from something that would get players more experience. I think something in the Fall would work very well.

A youth summer league is a really great idea - it has been tried in the past in Columbus, and used to be a popular thing in Cincy (not sure about now). If we can get more support from league coaches and get players involved I think this could really take off and become a really great practice/recruiting tool.

One of the biggest things in Youth Ultimate is fun. Kids love to get out and play with their friends, make new ones and have a good time. A Hat tournament is a perfect way to do this. Players can meet new people, mingle with other teams and start to form the kinds of friendships that foster growth. If something like this were to happen after the school year is over I think that you'd see some real gains. This is a good way to get players to think about doing a summer league, you might even have the Hat tournament and discuss the summer league there. If there are enough kids you could get a few teams to sign up. They will get to know each other better and won't have to rely on joining the league with kids from their school or just signing up to be randomly put on a team. 

These conversations are very helpful and I really appreciate everyone contributing. I'm glad to see so many of you who are interested in making this a great experience for our kids.

If anyone has more ideas, specifically for how we can get GIRLS to play, please let me know. USAU is really working on that aspect of growing Youth. 

As always, I'm happy to continue these conversations, answer questions and help in any way that I can.

Kevin

[Joel Houmes]

Let me add a little historical perspective as a former state coordinator.

Scheduling in the state championship is, as Rodger alluded to, quite complicated.  We want to get as many weeks as possible for kids to play before the state championship, but run into issues in May and June.  The original schedule for spring came from me working backwards.  Around here (Cincy) graduations are around the first weekend in June.  Having the state championship after that would be possible, but seems counter intuitive.  Plus, we start to run into other state tournaments (Poultry Days, No Surf, SCINNY), which doesn't conflict for the HS kids, but would for many coaches.  Since many teams that make the state finals are senior heavy, scheduling it around graduation activities would make it hard on many of the participants.

Working back from June, Memorial Day is usually the last weekend in May.  I contemplated having it that weekend, but have been concerned that attendance would be sparse due to other family commitments.  It might still be viable though.  The weekend before that is HS Centrals this year.  Centrals is usually scheduled for the second or third weekend in May (USAU more or less alternates years).  As there are a few teams that would like to compete at centrals, scheduling states on the same weekend as centrals is bad.  So we are back to the state finals being the second weekend in May.

As for the fall, from a weather standpoint, it would be much better, but there are other issues with a fall season.  First, there are a lot of other conflicts for kids.  Football, soccer, cross country and, surprisingly....marching band.  I know that a lot of the schools here in Cincy would have their teams gutted if marching band players were excluded.  Plus, player recruitment would be very compressed.  If a school had a strong feeder program, this wouldn't be as much of an issue, but you as it stands now, you sort of need school to be in session to recruit kids.  That means that a fall season can't reasonably start before the middle of September only leaving about 6 weeks before the time change that makes evening practices difficult.  This is also a much bigger change and everyone in the state would have to be on board to moving the season to the fall.

So....it seems to boil down to this.  Keep everything the way it is.  Move the state championship to Memorial Day weekend.  Move it to the middle or June and have coaches suck up to not playing in some other tournaments.  Move to fall.

I don't know that any of these is a better or correct option.  I am just laying out the possibilities.

One thing that I considered doing before I resigned the state coordinator position was putting together a "state board".  Basically with a representative from each of the areas that have high school leagues.  This board could handle these sorts of issues and would aid in the communication between leagues.  I think there is quite a bit of value in this idea and maybe it is something that Kevin would like to pursue.

And...as Rodger mentioned, the future is younger kids and....women.  As a state, we have a long way to go in developing feeder systems for our high school programs.  It is difficult, but something we need to develop to ensure the long term viability of high school programs.  I have attached something I have been working on.  It is based on a USA Lacrosse manual for developing school based youth programs.  Maybe it would be helpful.

joel

Joel Houmes
CUSP (Cincinnati Ultimate Select Program) - Director
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