Surviving Redemption

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Question: Can someone lose their sanctification experience without losing salvation?

Following are the responses from different members.

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"And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified."
- Acts 20:32

"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth"
- 2 Thessalonians 2:13

At the mouth of these two scriptures, salvation and sanctification are inseparable. In other words, losing one's sanctification is as 'good' as losing one's salvation. Sanctification speaks of the presence of God and holiness without which no man see the Lord. The root word for sanctification is same as holiness... (bro Joel)

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Acts 20:32 clearly says no sanctification, no inheritance (Heaven).
2 Thess. 2:13 ties salvation to sanctification and faith (c.f. Acts 26:18). (Joel)

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I see sanctification as a fire God places in the heart of the believer, purging, purifying and burning with all Christ likeness.

I once had a chat with someone who had a good grasp of the doctrine of eternal security or salvation. And after our chat, the only thing I could put forward to him as a good reason for losing salvation is denying the faith and unbelief. We went from scriptures to scriptures on a very logical ground to come to this conclusion. I know logic doesn't always so much count to inform us of the mind of the Spirit, but it helps us answer men, and defend the truth.

Here are some Bible references to support.

Heb.3.12 - Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb.3.14 - For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb.4.11 - Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Heb.4.14 - Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

The presence of canal believers, which we cannot say are sanctified.

1Cor.3.3 - For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? (Prosper)

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From my understanding, one can lose sanctification without losing salvation because to start with, the experiences are gotten separately.

And one way to know that sanctification is no longer there is that the evidence of sanctification will be missing, inner purity. (Grateful)

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So if one loses inner purity, can we still say such a person is saved?

Without inner purity (holiness), will a brother or sister see the Lord?

Good Morning Brethren😊 (Sunny)

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sunny: This has always been my stand on these doctrines;

 "That we cannot be saved & not sanctified. We cannot."


At salvation, there is a measure of sanctification & all through our journey of faith, we keep growing in that experience of sanctification. The very blood that saved us did sanctify us at the moment of salvation.

Yes, most of us who attend holiness movement churches must have been familiar with the idea of separating sanctification from salvation.

If that was to explain one's need to pursue & grow a sanctified life, I'll have no issue with that. We can explain the separation of these doctrines to those who have not understood that "this salvation experience is like cutting a tree while sanctification is like removing the stump from the ground" however in reality of what Christ does, he does all at once.

Paul, as a sanctified saint, told us of how he died daily, how he puts his body under subjection, he also taught the saints to mortify the passions of their bodies, we can find many of such scriptures in the New Testament which we know was written to saints.

That a soul has not grown into maturity in the sanctified life does not mean it has not the endowed grace of sanctification which was bestowed at the moment of salvation.

So, i beg to say that in truth, the idea or doctrine that we can be saved but not sanctified is contradictory to the truth of what Christ has done. This is my take.
[8:49 AM, 3/13/2023] sunny: The challenge I see when I discuss these doctrines is what we call sanctification. Most brethren do not count you sanctified until they see you fully grown in that experience, no!

There is difference between growing in sanctification & being sanctified. Every saved soul is sanctified & it is on this we experience the increasing growth of sanctification.

You, yourself know that your level of sanctification is higher than some other brethren that God has brought your way, maybe your siblings or even your spouse or vice versa, Yet you cannot deny that you all are sanctified😊

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Joel: I'd like to compare sanctification with health. Losing sanctification is like getting seriously infected. Untreated infection can ultimately lead to losing one's life. While there's the doctrine of sanctification as a standalone, after-repentance experience, it is impossible to really sustain the new birth experience without sanctification. In other words, you will lose out in salvation ULTIMATELY if you lose your sanctification. In Acts 10, the Gentile believers in an instant, received the Holy Spirit baptism because they believed the Gospel. The thief at Calvary, got saved and sanctified in a moment because he believed...
I think the experience that 'may' be excused but really shouldn't is the power of the Holy Spirit. That is, can one be saved without receiving the power? Acts 19 speaks of some believers who received Christ but did not even so know there was such a thing as the Holy Spirit's baptism. Good morning everyone!

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Prosper (Audio)

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Gospel: I know not any Bible reference that points to us growing in sanctification. But I do agree with continuing in sanctification. I fully agree with you. I have as well found growing in grace, and consecration, not salvation or sanctification. I'm open to learn more. This calls for us to seriously search the scriptures .

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Gospel: Salvation, sanctification is instantaneous and continues else you have lose the experience.

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Gospel: Now the question is, is it a separate experience from salvation?

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Prosper: The Bible is filled with admonition to believers to be sanctified... Hence it's a separate experience.
It's separate because, blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled.

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Gospel: Okay, following this thought. Then the question (b) do believers get sanctified at the point of salvation, or it can happen afterwards?

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Prosper: Acts.8.12 - But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts.8.13 - Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Acts.8.14 - Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Acts.8.15 - Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Acts.8.16 - For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts.8.17 - Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts.8.18 - And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Acts.8.19 - Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
Acts.8.20 - But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Acts.8.21 - Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Acts.8.22 - Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Acts.8.23 - For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
Acts.8.24 - Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

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Prosper: Simon, believed and was baptized, but still needed a second touch.
Cornelius and his household were blessed as they believed. The state of the heart at salvation matters.

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Gospel: The passage above is clear that Simon was not saved(salvation).

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Prosper: You cannot judge that. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.

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Prosper: He that believeth not is condemned.
That someone needs repentance doesn't mean he wasn't saved.

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Gospel: Check vs 21 - 23

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Prosper: If a brother falls into a fault, ye that are strong restore such an one ...
The brother who falls into a fault needs repentance.

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Prosper: The heart of Simon was not right in the sight of God. Living without sanctification is a most pitiable state for a believer. Though he is saved, he cannot continue that way... If a believer continues in an unsanctified state, without any concern, then the result will be a replica of the letters of Christ to the Seven churches, save one.

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Joel: Good evening everyone. If losing sanctification still leaves the man saved then it means sanctification is not so important after all. It begs the question! It means it's really not something to protect but you and I know that that is not the truth. It's like a soldier saying whether or not he's disciplined, he will never be dismissed from the army. In other words, once a soldier, always a soldier...

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Prosper: Looking at 1 John 2, there's no way a person who has lost his sanctification remain saved. It's a cascade entry. Both are gotten separately but deleting one mean deleting the other. All I can say, is that the person who has lost his sanctification will some how plead for saving grace.

He will want God to start afresh with him/her.

That bending of heart to the lowest point, shows true godly sorrow and contrition. What one enjoys in sanctification, if lost, will be sort in tears.

[Joy Atulobi]

A little typo sir

...will be sought (sort) in tears.

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