Our New Member from Australia

[Art as Servant]

Greetings Group,

We have a new Member, whom I would like to welcome, Glad to have you
here, Mr. Adams.

Here is a bit of introduction he wrote to me: He is " from a school of
mysticism which I found in Townsville some 15 years ago, I'm living
some 1300 kms south of there now; a little north of Brisbane,
Australia.I opened my site (infinite way Mysticism)"

I am, however, completely unfamiliar with this "Infinite Way
Mysticism", seeming propagated by Joel S. Goldsmith,
here is a link to a book of his many, of this title:
http://www.amazon.com/Living-Infinite-Way-Joel-Goldsmith/dp/1889051799

So, I ask the group, what do you know, or have experienced with Joel
Goldsmith's writings and teachings?

And let's Welcome Des Adams to the group...

Only by His Marvelous Grace,
Paul Kiler

[Peter VanGee]

Hi Des:

 

The infinite way.  I read through the section of the book that Amazon provided.  Brings a smile to my face as I remember my earlier my discussion between Hobbes and Descarte.

 

How would you answer Hobbes if he said God isn't infinite because he isn't finite.  The infinite by definition includes everything.  So if God is finite then he isn't infinite.

 

Now that I've sufficiently confused myself, please answer.

 

God bless,

 

Pete

[Des Adams]

I would answer  that God is not a concept (take no graven image before me); I will present this question to my teacher and get back to you, Des

[Peter VanGee]

If he isn't a concept then he has limits and he isn't infinite.

 

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

 

A word is a concept.

 

Pete

[Des Adams]

^{Pete, I just let the word of God live its life through me, I don't have an opinion about it, I don't humanize it. Pete I don't really want to teach all I want to do is share my experience with others. The WORD of God to me is both Finite and Infinite, the only thing I do is to get rid of all human concepts and opinions about it.}

 

^{Isa 55:7-9 "7} Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous^b man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. ⁸ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. ⁹ For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

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[Peter VanGee]

Yes, but if the Word lives in you.  It is humanized.  Kind of like the story of the prodigal son.  Upon his son's return he runs out to greet him.  When the son should run to him.  Because you are finite,  God becomes finite.  In a sense, God may need us to be infinite. 

 

I am not trying to bring him down to my level.  He and I are trying to bring me up to His.

 

I freak people out.  When I see people screaming at their loose dog.  Trying to get him to return and he doesn't.  The dog, with owners like this, is completely untrained.  I'll go down on one knee, and not say a word.  Just look at him, smile and hold out an open hand.  No food, no tricks, nothing.  The dog always comes.  They think I'm psychic or something.  No, I just lowered myself to the height of a dog.  Being friendly doesn't hurt either.

 

God bless,

 

Pete

[Des Adams]

Pete, I think the Natural man is pure in everybody. In the letter to the Romans, Paul talks about three states; 1. The carnal man; 2. The natural man; 3. The spiritual man. Jesus certainly did not pass into the carnal man and through his choice he did not seperate himself from the love of the Father. The thing that seperates us from God examples are given in the Gospels, we need to know all of the things that do that. I will be writing an assignment on all these things within the next couple of days to express the Truth of what I have realized to a friend on my site. I don't agree with all the teachings of Joel S. Goldsmith but in his writings I do agree with the Two things that seperate us from God; 1. A belief in two powers; 2. A selfhood seperate or apart from one. I will be talking from the Gospels and other books in the New testament, I don't know at this stage if I will cover the Old Testament, My Site is "Infinite Way Mysticism", Des

[Peter VanGee]

Hi Des:

 

After a cursory review of Romans, I didn't find the specifics you're referring to.  Are these your separations, to speed up my search can you help me out here as I have limited time.  

 

Your idea of selfhood?
 

An assignment?  Are you a student?

 

Pete

[Des Adams]

Pete to find something in the bible go into this website, go to search and put in a phrase http://www.studycenter.com/search.html DES

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[Des Adams]

Pete I am assuming it is this -:

1Cr 15:44	It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Cr 15:46	Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

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Subject: Christian Mystic:204 Re: Our New Member from Australia

[Peter VanGee]

Hi Des:

 

I figured those were the readings you were referring to.  From Paul's standpoint, I don't think there would be three men.  He'd consider the natural man to be a carnal man.  Like one good monk told me once, "Keep it simple, stupid!"

 

This brings to mind my experience with the Mormonism.  I grew up in a town about 6 miles north of Palmyra, NY.  It was the summer of 2004, and I'd just given up trying to be a priest.  I'd run into a woman (who was and Elder in LDS) I knew in my favorite chinese restaurant.  She worked days and I worked nights in a machine shop in my home town.  She was kind and sometimes she'd bring us in a homemade dish when we were working nights.  Well, upon seeing me, she set her sights on making me a Mormon.

 

Palmyra is an important town to them, and I'd seen the temple (different than one of their churches) they built there before it was consecrated.  Non-mormons can't enter a temple after its consecrated.  Being Palmyra, they have a lot of missionaries there.

 

The Book of Mormon is an interesting piece of mysticism.  Some might say fantasy, but I disagree.  We're all caught in shadow.  The way it weaves in New Testament teaching is uncanny.  I thought it was interesting in that it pretty much declares war on the natural man.

She and her 4 missionary friends went to work on me.  The missionaries were all pretty young women - in their early twenties.  I guess they were trying to appeal to my better nature?  Well, after several homemade meals they gave up all hope of saving my soul.  They kept asking me to come over for dinner and apple pie is a good desert.  I was single and eating alone - and they were a sight for sore eyes.  Hot dogs and mac & cheese get old after a while.

 

The more proper among them didn't know how to take me and the kidders thought I was funnier than hell.  Like when we were discussing coffee.  I told them that somewhere in Proverbs or Psalms it says that even the just man falls six times a day.  So I figured that after my 2nd cup of coffee, I only had 4 more to go.  They were pretty, though, if only decorem and puritanism hadn't nipped polygamy in the bud - I might very well be a Mormon today.  Could you see me spending my life sneakin' out for a daily up cup of coffee?  Perhaps I'm a little too addicted - when I don't drink one - I get a head ache.

 

Pete

[Des Adams]

Its been good, I just put another posting on, it has not come up yet; my reply to the mystical marriage posting. I find a lot of things common with you, give me a buzz on voice google talk and I'll see it this thing works on sirde...@gmail.com or skype on sirdesmond1, Des