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Yo 'Shidi, great work as always for the past so many years.
I usually agree with most of your ratings, not agreeing with all of them so far, but I'll wait to pass judgement untill I see the real thing. One that inmediately stands out tho, is Pau Gasol...
Pau Gasol an 82... while Amare an 84??? Could you explain that?
I Mean Pau is a way way better defender, way better rebounder, better passer, and better shooter from every position but 3-9 feet (and only by 2% then); So in a game that favors all around for ovr rating, how could Amare be higher than Pau?
P.d I don't even care about the lakers, I'm a mavs fan, I think Dirk should be rated higher ( because outside rebounding and mid-range that were overrated, he should probably be higher on pretty much everything else) but I'll wait to see his actual numbers, but Pau vs Amare really stood out to me
I'm really looking forward to your roster update... any idea yet how long it will be before you will release the first one? On a side note, I'm really really wondering how you will edit dwade as i can't seem to get anything with this guy anymore since his shot is so horrible now and layups seem to get blocked on the regular :(
On a second note I can't believe how much Rose improved on defense last season, I don't like him, don't agree with the mvp, and the miami series showed his offense is too one-dimensional, but god he went from a mediocre or below average defender to an elite one in a year, at least statistics wise, without taking in consideration help defense, I don't think there was a better defensive guard other than Tony Allen, or there was?
Same for Dirk, but Dirk was actually a progression, as his rebounding dropped (in his defense he has to split rebounds with some of the best rebounders at their position, Marion (Best SF on Total Rebound Rate on the league) Kidd (Second PG on TRR overall) and Chandler (Third at Center) (all out of people with more than 40gp and over 15 mpg), so his actual RPG isnt really a reflection on his rebounding skill), his post defense has become great, Rick Carlisle system has really gotten to him, he has improved slowly year by year; I suggest when you get the time, please go to Synergy and check his overall PPP given, his Opp's FG%, PnR D, Iso, Post and just everything and compare them people like Duncan and KG, you'll be surprised (Other than KG's PnR D of course, but for real, go and compare on synergy).
All while being a legendary shooter, overall offensive masterpiece with fantastic post game (specially ridiculous high post), really good ballhandling (8th lowest turnover rate out of every PF even tho he has such a high usage rate and pretty much every possesion runs through him at some point), really good passing (only 5 PF's in the whole league netted more assists even tho none of them was a primary offensive weapon or finisher unlike him), and just the clutchest and capable of taking over above other superstars... give him some love man... 86 WAY too low
In general Jk you are mis-utilizing many of these stats and how they would be implemented into ratings.
Shot volume matters under 2K's rating scale, else Kobe would have even lower than the 78 mid-range that many fans cry about.
Thus, instead of FGM you should be looking at FGA (more specifically, adjusted per minute).
Amare per 40 mins
Inside: 6.7 FGA
Close: 7.6 FGA
Mid: 5.9 FGA
3pt: 0.3 FGA
Gasol per 40 mins
Inside: 4.9 FGA
Close: 6.9 FGA
Mid: 3.0 FGA
3pt: 0.0 FGA
Amare took twice as many mid-range shots as Gasol and 2 more shots Inside. As I said, Gasol's percentages would suffer if he took on a larger offensive load, whereas Amare's would benefit from a lesser offensive role. Hence they have similar shot ratings.
I don't see how Amare's 3pt shot can reasonably be called a fluke considering he hit 9 total over the last 5 seasons COMBINED and then hit 10 this season. He worked on the shot, never once looked uncomfortable taking it, even hit a few big ones (again note that Boston three doesn't count towards his totals). He won some 3pt shootout in China over the summer so it's something he continues to work on. All told, there's no reason to treat it any different from any other player that showed a better 3pt stroke. As with the other shot ratings, volume is taken into account.
More importantly, while that 3pt rating might give Amare a better "Outside Scoring" rank, it does little to affect his overall rating, which is your primary complaint. It takes 55 points of 3pt to raise PF overall by 1 point, and since Amare clearly had a much better 3pt year than Gasol any way you slice it, this is a dead issue.
Not to mention, 55 points of 3pt to get a 1 pt overall boost. A fair scale should honestly be like 20-1. Players like Dirk, Bargnani, Ryan Anderson, etc get penalized every year because 2K doesn't think their incredibly valuable skillset should make a difference in rating
2K's Overall formula remains the main obstacle to getting 90+ rating for Dirk. It is not perfect. For most players it works but the ones it doesn't work for usually stand out.
DiZ,
The main thing edited w/ Wade was his defense which is too high. He had a great block/steal season a couple years ago but has never repeated the success. He is an above average defender but he is not exactly lockdown either.
I haven't tried using Wade, and when I played against the Heat the CPU opted to shoot 30 times w/ Lebron and only 9 w/ Wade, so I didn't really get a feel for any change in Wade's offensive game.
It is certainly worth noting that Wade is taking fewer mid-range shots since 2009 when he lead the league in scoring. His poor jump shooting was one of the biggest offensive flaws of the team last year, as it allowed teams to sag off LeBron with few other options to spread the floor.
Rashidi, when will your first update be available? What do you think abot the implementation of player "abilities" instead of numbered ratings? Wil youl edit them for every player along with ratings? I believe they've done an alright job, but certain guys abilities are overrated.
So a 0.7 Total rebounding rate difference between Amare and Dirk, Dirk being the 11th worst overall PF in TRR 12, while Amare is the 15th worst with 12.7 amounts to a C- vs B+ ?
That's without counting that yeah, Amare has Melo, but Dirk has the best SF in TRR in the league on Marion, the second best PG in TRR in Kidd, and the third best C TRR in the league in Chandler, yeah Amare got one more rebound per game but you have to factor who are they sharing rebounds with. the difference shouldnt be C- to B+ between the 11th and 15th worst TRR PF on the league.
Aprreciate the Pau vs Amare updates, I guess 2k system just doesn't value players like that, I'll wait to see how Amare's 3p turns out this season, cause like you said if shot volume matters for 2k, so lets see if he shoots 0,1 per game again or uses it a lil more. same for their actual blocks.
I didn't know 2k Valued shot volume for shot ratings, thought volume's depended entirely on tendencies and the like, I guess the only way to know how does their shooting turn out in game is wait till you finish every player and sim to see if we end up closer to having pau shoot better percentages from everywhere but close, on a similar volume of shots made per game (except mid range where he would have significantly lower volume).
Their usage difference was spot on, Pau should have better passing (Higher AS% on far lower usage) but his actual dribbling and handling should be similar or lower since he doesnt end up trying to beat anyone off the dribble
J_Paco,
I have not yet tackled abilities because to effectively do it I would really need an Excel sheet of the entire league to make comparisons.
So the Overall ratings I am posting are certainly not finalized as they are only dealing w/ the ratings. However the effect on overall won't be THAT great since they really only represent a couple ratings (namely, Ball Handling and Post Offense). Nothing more than a point for most players, because I highly doubt there are that many players that 2K badly screwed up on, aside from a random scrub center who can post up but 2K gave "Poor" in everything (Garret Sliler is likely one such player though I haven't bothered to check).
So a 0.7 Total rebounding rate difference between Amare and Dirk, Dirk being the 11th worst overall PF in TRR 12, while Amare is the 15th worst with 12.7 amounts to a C- vs B+ ?
Jk,
Dirk is the absolute worst offensive rebounding PF/C in the NBA, ahead of only Brian Scalabrine who never plays and is probably not coming back to the league anyway.
ORBs do not make up a large chunk of "Total REB%" since most boards are DRB. Dirk has an edge in DRB but Amare is the much better ORBer.
Vertical also counts towards the rebounding grade. Which helps explains Amare's higher grade.
First off, excellent stuff.
Yet, I wonder how did the gap between Golden State and Portland increase three-fold when you said the following regarding the stock team ratings: "Warriors better than the Blazers with healthy Greg Oden and Raymond Felton replacing Andre Miller?"
By the way, Rashidi, some 360 user who knows hex editing told me that he did some tweaks to your uploaded roster in order for teams to have accurate default colors on home and away accesories ... he told me to ask you if you would like to use that roster file as base for your upcoming updates ? ... he allegedly didnt do any other edits and such files dont seem to be corrupted nor "hacked", so no apparent risk of getting it blocked.
If interested, will tell him to upload the file to 2kshare and will give you his tag for you to download it.