Re: Spoofer For Pokemon Go Ios
Canumil Flowers
For the better part of the past 2-3 years, me and my family have been targets by cheaters/spoofers in our local area. My wife and I are collecting gold gym medals (especially gyms we created on forest trails and such) and the rest of the family just enjoy playing together. The cheaters/spoofers always take down gyms we are defending, and they leave them empty/white after they are done. They do so at speeds that are not humanly possible (especially between trail markers in forests with steep 60m high hills). There are several other players in our local community who have experienced the same situation we have. All of us have sent numerous in-game reports over the past 2 years, with screenshots and photo evidence of spoofing happening in gyms at remote locations while we were there. As a response, the chatbot always thanks me for my report and promises "We take these matters seriously, and your reports are critical to keeping Pokmon Go welcoming for everyone", yet this blatant cheating continues to this day. This type of toxic cheating behaviour has sucked the fun out of the game and, more importantly, wayfarer for us. My family and I take pride in the 1300+ wayspots we have gotten accepted successfully ever since Pokemon Go players got access to the submission process, but I think all of us are done with wayfarer if nothing changes.
I am certain we aren't the only players who are experiencing this. Since Niantic has taken a stronger stance against abuse in Wayfarer I feel like it's time for a big change in their attitude towards in-game cheating as well.
For the exact locations, video/photo proof of the cheating/spoofing I would like to ask anyone from the Niantic staff to DM me. There has to be someone at Niantic who can fix this situation. Please help us regain the fun of exploring the world for more good quality wayspots."
Since Niantic keeps on mishandling their anti-cheating efforts maybe The Pokmon Company should step up and force them to take action. I know there are quite a few players in my local area who are fed up with all the spoofing happening here on a daily basis.
This is actually more of a cry for help instead of an actual story, plus its a demonstration of how much damage Niantics lax spoofer policy causes.
So first of all we have that one guy, that not only spoofs openly but in fact is being a dick to ppl by shaving team mates and shittalking fair players. He actually does that already since the old gym system still existed, also used bubblestrat in combo with multiaccounts and teamspeak to coordinate attacks with his spoofer mates back then. Not sure about now, gyms are too easy to take down anyway.
As you can all imagine, he was the most hated player in the whole city and known by even semi active trainers. When raids came up and he showed up to them, as he didnt get the code, because ppl always did private groups, he received a lot of hate. No beat ups, but he was heavily criticised, sometimes reviled (like he offended a gay dude and called him faggot and shit, so ppl in return answered with some not so kind words) and locked out from raids.
In his eyes now he is the victim and as a "revenge", he now coordinates raids in my city in spoofing groups.
That itself doesnt matter much, but those raids happen on the most popular ex raid gyms here.
Just today there have been three full groups of spoofer just at that one ex raid gym. It will most likely get triggered and take Mewtwo spots from legit players.
Haha, well, we had an exraid, where like 7 ppl only showed up and it was quite suspicious, but another spoofer told us, that there have been spoofer raids.
So yeah, its not common here, but might be in the close future.
You can try mass reporting the person in question, especially with screencaps of them using offensive language. Enough people reporting a single individual who's breaking many different rules may even get Niantic's attention from the endless ocean of reports.
You may think so, but they still didnt give a shit. We already reported him hundreds of times.He got shadowbanned two times, but never for long. Aside of that, banning his account wouldnt even change something, he could still organise those raids.
What does that have to do with anything? The discussion is about whether spoofers take invites away from non-spoofers, not about whether you can shut out spoofers from lobbies when the actual EX raid takes place.
Let put this straight, EX raidpasses are hardcapped. Niantic does not want 100+ people raiding at one location which is totally understandable. Every pass handed to a spoofer is a pass not handed to a honest player.
There is no gitting gud, there is only RNG. And spoofers who don't need to git gud because they can raid anywhere whenever it's convenient for them to do so.
The invites are hard capped in some way. If the spoofers didn't get those invites, some real players would get them instead. The spoofers may of course also be crucial to triggering the EX raid in the first place, so it's hard to draw the line where spoofers are harmful to the experience of real players' EX raiding.
I don't see the problem. You wouldn't let him raid and now he raids with spoofers. Honestly, he is the victim. He's the victim of self-righteous, so-called purists, that shut him out. I don't see how him raiding with spoofers even affects you or anyone else.
Hahahahaha. I cant take that reply serious, in all honesty. Would be nice to see your reactions when your 10 gyms get grounded within two hours by 4 spoofer with team speak. But maybe you didnt witness the old system.
Your information is wrong btw, there are many ppl that use tools, that cant be detected or punished by Niantic. Not to mention those shadow bans were not permanent. That dude had 2 shadow bans already, doenst stop him from playing.
I was playing during this time. I was replying to the OP and you did not mention that. You mentioned that you didn't allow someone to raid and now they raid with spoofers. So, I don't know how your information is relevant.
Its not the gym turnover that annoys me the most. Its making spoofer steal mewtwo passes from legit players.
Get good, loool, youre arrogance makes me angry. But Ill leave it for good now, you seem to stubborn to see the obvious arguments.
I have buddies that are still getting away with spoofing even today because they know how to stay low-pro. I happen to think that it's a large problem that spoofers have access to the same limited access of gyms and ex-invites that legit players do, because they can access them more easily, at any time (including "unsafe hours", and with ill-gotten Pokemon that puts them at an advantage). If you don't see how any of that "affects" non-spoofing players then you are lucky enough to live in a low-activity community and hail to you.
There are 3 simple ways ex pass can be distributed and 2/3 are affected by Spoofers:
1. There is a hard cap on the number of invites, obviously in this scenario Spoofers can take legit players spot.
2. The number of invites are determined as a percentage of the number of eligible accounts. In this case Spoofers can also take legit players spot.
3. Each eligible account is assigned a probability based on parameters such as gym badge, number of raids etc.. but not based on the number of eligible accounts. In this case Spoofers can't take legit players spot since the probability is independent.
We don't know which of the options is correct and perhaps none. My guess would be number 2, this explain ex raids with large number of invites in popular gyms.
Number 3 has the problem of possibly having too few invites to complete the raid and this is bad press for niantic.
Legit players who use third party apps that don't break TOS have never gotten shadowbans. Players who use third party apps that break TOS have been shadowbanned on many, many occasions before this wave, starting almost a year ago. Are you new to this game perhaps?
Niantic is pretty pathetic when it comes to banning. They *know* who's spoofing, and how it messes with their planning schedule but more importantly with honest players who are trying to play the game without rude players being asshats about it.
They do not know for sure who's spoofing. GPS drift from legit players creates a ton of false positives in any system designed to spot spoofing activity and Niantic doesn't (at least yet) have an AI that can do any kind of smarter recognition. And even then, one could just spoof in a way that emulates a legit player and be completely undetectable. Spoofing isn't going away anytime soon.
Since we have almost the same situation in our town I would advise you to do the following.
You can't change his approach if first you don't change yours.
The main issue that spoofers have towards other players is how they use scanners,maps,share accounts,have multiple accs,etc.. but yet they call themselves legit. Those terms are all interpreted different ways and are often missused.
Since you already know the identity of that person I would advise you to do the following:
-> call him out for a drink
-> give him a chance to play with you if he is under the gym
-> do not put any ultimatums like "if you stop this or that"
-> each time he comes to play with you under the gym ( even if he still spoofs while at home) is your small victory!
-> as time passes you will look at each other as people and not spoofer/non spoofer and he will have no more interest in taking down gyms from you.
Nice idea, but doesnt work out. He actually provoces ppl constantly by sending pics of 100% shiny or regionals or something like that, even sends those to youtuber to get attention. Brags with his won battles and km walked (lmaoo) and shittalks ppl for having worse mons. You really dont wanna play with that guy. I knew him before he started to spoof, he was and still is a dick in general.
There were many situations when we talked to him in a friendly manner, but we got nothing but disrespect and arrogance back. Way before there have been raids actually. We tried it your way, but he just continued spoofing and being an asshole.
The situation is pretty hopeless in fact, as this guy apparently has some problems with his ego.
He now only spoofs for fun and to trigger people, what actually works...
Ignoring it is not a solution either in my eyes.