PG Linnea A

[Karen Hinchy]

Onto my Linnea conundrum.  

Leslie's document notes a PG Linnea 1951 was sent to the kennel - from a 10/18 litter of PG Dukavik 1946 x PG Myah 1949.  This is an addition to our records, and I rejoiced, thinking we might have solved the mystery of PG Linnea A's parentage.

This Linnea had a singleton pup in December of 1952 (just over 1 year old) that died.  There are no other notes on a Linnea going to the kennel, and no references to any Linnea at ALL even in pets from 1953 onwards.

Then we have PG Linnea A, with 1 litter in 58, 59, 63, and 66. 

I find it hard to believe that Linnea 1951 is Linnea A, although the 66 litter (born in July) was three puppies, with two stillborn.  

These were traumatic years at PGK, with the Wangan fire in 57, Perry's illness and death, Smead's stewardship of hte breed, and Honey's illness and death.

Does anyone have any info or thoughts on if Linna 1951 might be Linnea A, with her final litter just before her 15th birthday? 

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Karen Hinchy

Bashaba Chinooks
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[Mary Jo Crance]

Ummmmm  My thought is that it is unlikely that a 15 year old female could have a litter.

MJ Crance
Sirius Rising Kennel

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[Karen Hinchy]

Well, she would technically have been a few months short of her fifteenth birthday when she whelmed.  :). Rare in dogs, yes, but not completely unheard of... 

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[Ginger Corley]

Linda Daniels (no relation to Kathleen) never spayed any of her bitches and had this weird idea that her pack structure would keep her dogs from getting pregnant.  Until Holly and Banshee’s 12½  year old littermate was found pregnant by her crossbred grandson.  So it can happen.  Dogs don’t go through menopause.  I was quite pissed when I heard about it.

 

Ginger Corley

Rain Mountain Chinooks

established 1988

www.rainmountain.net

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From: chinook-pedi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:chinook-pedi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Hinchy
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Well, she would technically have been a few months short of her fifteenth birthday when she whelmed.  :). Rare in dogs, yes, but not completely unheard of... 

On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Mary Jo Crance <mjc....@gmail.com> wrote:

Ummmmm  My thought is that it is unlikely that a 15 year old female could have a litter.

MJ Crance
Sirius Rising Kennel

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[Susan E Bragg]

I thought I posted here earlier how Les' doc also carried a death date on PG Linnea 1951 (after the singleton pup/litter?)?  Or did I imagine that?  I think I determined we're dealing yet with 2 Linnea(s), yes.  Need to followup.  best, susan
 

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[Susan E Bragg]

Some of my elders continue to cycle, towards 15th bdays here now.  But some of their littersisters did also stop cycling long prior, etc.  You can't guess, rightly.  But again; I thought we found an also death date/data on first Linnea in one of my updated researches here.  Hope so.  susan
 

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[Susan E Bragg]

"There are no other notes on a Linnea going to the kennel, and no references to any Linnea at ALL even in pets from 1953 onwards."

Also from Patti's PG Certs gleanings--

"293 Linnea & Kim female & male Myah Dukavik 12/18/1953 A. Archibald 3/2/1954 note 1500 & 1500 "


She and KIM were sold for relatively 'top dollar' (vs then 'pet price(s)')-- 1500$ a piece.  I noticed that.  What if she too remained Entire?  Is she part of your rubric or no?  Just thinking outloud here, the usual.  best, susan  
 

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[Susan E Bragg]

These 2 remain CPP PG Kim - Archibald & PG Linnea - Archibald, aye. 

I guess I'm wondering if this Linnea - Archibald could be Linnea A ?  Or let me know if you've already covered this territory/comparison, aye.  Because I'm still thinking we have 2 Linnea(s), aye.  And again- I didn't think anything of it, until I saw the prices the Archibald's paid for their dogs.
best, susan
 

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[Ginger Corley]

Contrary to the prevalent thought that all females were spayed, Gail Skoglund did an article for the CQ once on a Chinook bitch that had lived to be 20 years old and that had been sold intact and had given birth to at least one if not more litters for her new owners.  Once I get through the training class I’m in (I’m your new Snohomish County Xerox rep – in addition to my existing job as well -- and will have a very spiffy color unit here in the house if we ever need it) and have time to breathe between dawn and falling asleep with my nose in a training manual at night.  I am positive that none of the bitch’s pups moved forward in our gene pool but we should probably count them in our database and it would be good to note the name of the bitch.  If I can’t find the article I’ll contact Gail and find out from her.  I know there were others that were allowed to leave the property intact as well despite the policy of early spaying.

 

Ginger Corley

Rain Mountain Chinooks

established 1988

www.rainmountain.net

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What if she too remained Entire?  Is she part of your rubric or no?  Just thinking outloud here, the usual.  best, susan  

[Susan E Bragg]

I will admit there remained a handful of owners stories which claimed to have owned the 'only' unspayed/Entire female from PGK, yes.  The only one I know in fact WAS so, was Pete Abrahams first female, IF memory serves. 

Point here being on Linnea - Archibald;  I was thinking she could have been returned to kennels and bred there, by prior sale/contract, yes.  Other dogs sold as pets this epoch sold for less, also per Patti's gleanings.  best, susan
 

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