PG Atka 1946 and PG Atka A litters Query/Review

[Susan E Bragg]

OK, so while trying to further isolate PG Linnea A,
I fell in to thinking she may be one of the 6/27/1961 pups out of PG Atka A.  
So then, I find this Note from Les' also research...

1961:

Trondek x Atka (different from other prior breed female): 2/4/61- Raluk Feagan (m) of Northfield IL,

              Tanana Mackey #406(f) Lockport NY, Tia White(f) of Cleveland OH, Raluk Conners #405 (m),

              Buffalo NY, Tia Christopher #409 (f)

 

Which would seem to indicate this 2/4/1961 litter was this particular Atka's maiden litter, eh?  
If so; Then could the 1955 litter we attributed to Atka A actually have been Atka 1946's last litter?  
I don't know, so I need help resorting the Atka(s) litters, please, after reading the above note.  Thanks, susan

Pedigree of:  Perry Greene Atka A

Sex:  F

Date of Birth:  1/1/1954

Colour & Markings:  

Owner:  

FULL SIBLINGS: (, )

SIRE HALF SIBLINGS: ()

DAM HALF SIBLINGS: ()

LITTER #1. DOB:6/2/1955, MATE: Perry Greene Riki A 

    1. Perry Greene Dakin - Rines 

    2. Perry Greene Kim - Marchi 

    3. Perry Greene Kim - Sutton 

    4. Perry Greene Raluk - Levingstone 

    5. Perry Greene Sirkka - Stone 

LITTER #2. DOB:2/4/1961, MATE: Perry Greene Trondek A 

    1. Perry Greene Raluk - Conners 

    2. Perry Greene Tanana - Mackey 

    3. Perry Greene Tia - Christopher 

LITTER #3. DOB:6/27/1961, MATE: <Unknown>

    1. Perry Greene ?/Atka A puppy 

    2. Perry Greene ?/Atka A puppy 2 

    3. Perry Greene ?/Atka A puppy 3 

    4. Perry Greene ?/Atka A puppy 4 

    5. Perry Greene ?/Atka A puppy 5 

    6. Perry Greene ?/Atka A puppy 6 

 

[Ginger Corley]

It seems unusual to me that a bitch would have pups in February (of 1961), raise them, wean them, and go into season in time to be bred and carry a litter for nine weeks to give birth in June of 1961 (bred ~ April 25^th when previous litter was just 11 weeks old).  That is more like the timing of a cat’s reproductive system than a dog’s.  During this time was Dr. Smead living at the kennel with Honey?

 

So I’m just wondering if the third litter could possibly be that of some other female.  It’s pretty rare that a bitch goes into season this soon after having her pups.  She hasn’t had time to shed out all her old coat yet and get into her “party clothes” yet.  Very often having a litter will upset the schedule of the bitch’s seasons; I once saw Holly go ten months between hers after having pups and her next season.  But I’ve never seen them come in quicker, only have a longer duration.

 

Was this possibly an accidental breeding if the dates are correct?  Were there possibly multiple sires if she wasn’t due to go into season and was kenneled with multiple males?

 

Ginger Corley

Rain Mountain Chinooks

established 1988

www.rainmountain.net

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[Susan E Bragg]

I've only owned one Chinook female which came in to post whelp season also AT time of weaning, aye.  I am focused first on the 1955 litter.  But then, will bump the remaining litters up against both Atka A and Atka B records again too, yes.  I think the 1961 and 1963 litters WERE Atka A, however.    

But/so will recheck all documented dates on the 1961 litters, yes.  Because one of the newspapers said the FEB litter was born in later February 1961, after the Wangan burned, if memory serves (the 6 pup litter with the 2 white pups ?).  So I'm actually wondering if these were one and the SAME litter(s) (Feb and June).  If so; then 3 were named/sold, and Greene said he intended to keep the 2 white pups, if memory serves.  All conjecture, for now.

best, susan

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[Susan E Bragg]

Les' research notes it was Jan 1957 the Wangan burnt down.  I thought it was 1961, but likely it's only my memory that's 'off' there.  Here's another tale I bumped in to of that event though.  I don't think I knew how Greene's ammo was exploding during that fire too, etc.  He did well to set it away from kennels then, yes.  How many times could this entire genome/breed already have perished though, in one event, eh?  A whole HANDFUL that I'm aware of, at least.  Double wow.  

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[Susan E Bragg]

OK, it looks like this 1955 litter was already Updated within the JAN 2015 Spreadsheet, yes.  It is in fact removed to Atka 1946(s) offspring/litters there.  Excellent.  

OK, this means I need to only work with the JAN 2015 sheet here forward.  As I've been bumping back and forth from that to MAY 2014 sheet/dbase here.  Is it possible for you to run another 'error report' on the JAN sheet, plus remove the 'A's from those dogs which also how have parentage(S) within the JAN 2015 sheet, eh?  

Meanwhile; I'll focus primarily on the JAN sheet, yes.  For we are making real progress(es).  That said, we need to shake down all researches further within the validated dams/litters too, yes.  I began yet another dbase here with some of Patti's also PG certs data in it, so's I can crunch that again faster up against the also Les doc, etc.  steady as we go.  

best, susan

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