Candidate window does not appear

[jailyard]

I just got a new imac with OS 10.4.8 and am trying to use Hanin input,
but I can't get the candidate window to show up. all the settings look
right, and it just appears automatically on my powerbook running
10.3.9. any suggestions?

thanks,

jailyard

[globaltalksoftware]

Hi jailyard --

Do you mean that you are unable to change your default input method to
Hanin? If so, you may have to enable Hanin as a valid input method.

I've posted instructions from a previous post on my blog:
http://www.globaltalksoftware.com/?p=85

I hope this helps.

-- bk

[Eric Rasmussen]

Remember that Hanin requires tones. The candidate window won't appear
until you type the tone number (or tone numbers if you are typing a
word/phrase) and then hit the space bar.

I see that our instructions for Hanin have devolved (from the glory
days of the Hanin 5 Tutorial for OS 9) to the point that they really
need to be revised:

http://www.yale.edu/chinesemac/pages/tcim_x4.html#Hanin

I'll try to find time today to improve that, but if you are using
Pinyin to input Traditional Chinese, you should seriously consider QIM:

http://www.yale.edu/chinesemac/pages/input_methods.html#QIM

ER

PS: The default setting for the TCIM candidate window is vertical,
which looks different from the horizontal window that was standard
before Tiger. I doubt you could miss it, but I suppose it is possible
it is hiding in a corner or something.

[Henry Leperlier]

We seem to be getting more and more questions of that type. Is there a way
to modify the Web site to suggest, for example, that QIM appears to be the
preferred independent method to input both Traditional / Full-form
characters and Simplified Characters among many Mac OS X users. Could this
be done without seemingly promoting one method above others.

After all many users are looking for definite advice, and it is not clear
from the site, unless you subscribe to the group, that QIM has so many
advantages.

Henry

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[jailyard]

no luck still. I did make Hanin a valid input method, and I don't get
any response from typing tone numbers or from using the space bar. Is
there a chance I have a funky preference file or something strange like
that? also, I've tried setting the candidate window both to vertical
and horizontal, still don't see anything.

thanks all,

jailyard

[Eric Rasmussen]

Well, the main TCIM Preference files are Ttmmr.rem and Tuser.rem in
your home ~/Library/Preferences folder. Try trashing them and
restarting. It can't hurt. Try using Hanin before changing any of its
Preferences.

Also try activating another TCIM input method, like Pinyin, to see if
you get the Candidate window. Doing that might straighten out Hanin
in the process. Try also deactivating Hanin and restarting, then
activating Hanin and restarting.

I guess it's possible it is a bug specific to the new iMac, but at
this late stage in the development of Tiger that seems pretty unlikely.

If all of the above fail, since it's a new machine, I would do a full
erase and install. Then set up Hanin and try it in TextEdit before
installing anything else.

If you already have a lot of stuff installed and you don't want to
waste time reinstalling, you could try an archive and install. But
the only way you can be sure it is a bug specific to the new iMac is
to do the erase and install. If it persists after that, my advice is
to spend the $20 for QIM.

Eric

[jailyard]

the candidate window does appear with pinyin. I tried restarting with
various combinations of input methods activated and deactivated but
still couldn't get hanin to work. didn't find Ttmmr.rem, and
Tuser.rem says it is a microsoft entourage file, but I did find
com.apple.tcim.plist and tcimhaninuserdictionary. trashed both of
those and restarted, still no luck. I guess an erase and install is in
my immediate future, unless someone can make sense of the candidate
window working with pinyin and not working with hanin....

thanks again,

jailyard

[Eric Rasmussen]

On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:33 PM, jailyard wrote:
> ... didn't find Ttmmr.rem, and Tuser.rem says it is a microsoft

> entourage file, but I did find
> com.apple.tcim.plist and tcimhaninuserdictionary.

If Ttmmr.rem isn't there, I think it's because the TCIM hasn't needed
to store anything in it yet. It and Tuser.rem are not actually MS
files, that's just a bug in how the MS Office installation relates to
the Finder. Those files are definitely part of the TCIM (they've been
around since OS 9, IIRC).

It sounds to me like you know what you are doing, and whatever the
problem is, you've tried just about everything there is to do.

Eric

[Eric Rasmussen]

On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Eric Rasmussen wrote:
> It sounds to me like you know what you are doing, and whatever the
> problem is, you've tried just about everything there is to do.

I spoke too soon! One other thing you could try is setting up a new
user account (see System Preferences > Accounts), and see if Hanin is
working there.

ER