Wu Zetian "font" and seal script font on Mac

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Pascale

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Aug 16, 2007, 7:59:02 AM8/16/07
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Does anybody know a font that can be use on OS X.4 to enter Wu Zetian
special characters ?
I know they are Unicode characters but couldn't find a font able to
display them on my Mac :-( in fact, few of them works on Mac, but not
enough for my need (a scholar translation on chinese modern
calligraphy with a lot of part involved in history)

If you don't know what I'm tolking about, you can have a look on these
characters on Wikipedia : <http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/则天文字> Each one
as a link to unicode website.

I also need a seal script font. I had one (), but it's of no use on
Neo Office on X.4 :-( because it's a GB2312 font).

Of course, I can draw them, but except the fact that they will have a
bad looking, I definitely can't understand how to insert an image
correctly in Neo Office.

Thanks a lot for any help.

Pascale.

Eric Rasmussen

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Aug 16, 2007, 11:40:12 AM8/16/07
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On 8/16/07, Pascale <baza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anybody know a font that can be use on OS X.4 to enter Wu Zetian
> special characters ?
> I know they are Unicode characters but couldn't find a font able to
> display them on my Mac :-(

Strangely enough, as I imagine you know, all of the Wu Zetian
characters that are from Extension B are not included in SimSun
(Founder Extended).

So basically your only option are the Extension B fonts from Windows
Vista. The best for OS 10.4 is SimSun-ExtB (simsunb.ttf), which
validates in Font Book. Unfortunately, the SimSun that comes with
Office 2004 is GBK only -- it does not include Extension A. So I have
the SimSun (simsun.ttc) that comes with Vista installed instead, in
order to have a complete character set for SimSun. I just ignore its
validation problem -- I've had it installed for months now with no
problems.

Contact me off list and I can save you the trouble of finding a friend
with Vista...

I don't know of any true seal-script fonts, but it's not my
specialty... Have you tried CHANT? I think they have fonts, thoiugh
maybe not seal script per se:

http://www.yale.edu/chinesemac/pages/study_tools.html#early

Eric

R. Giebel

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Aug 16, 2007, 5:20:23 PM8/16/07
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> So basically your only option are the Extension B fonts from Windows
> Vista.

Have you checked the HanNom font? As far as I can see, it appears to
include all the Wu Zetian characters.

As for seal-script fonts, the commercial version of Mojikyo apparently
includes 10,000 seal-script characters (I have only the free version,
and so can't vouch for their quality). Several Japanese font makers also
seem to produce seal-script fonts, but I haven't checked them out.

Rolf


Eric Rasmussen

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Aug 16, 2007, 9:29:24 PM8/16/07
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On 8/16/07, R. Giebel <fe...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> Have you checked the HanNom font? As far as I can see, it appears to
> include all the Wu Zetian characters.

Oh, yes, that's right. I remember rejecting HanNom because the font
quality was inconsistent, but if the characters you need are good,
then it will work.

> As for seal-script fonts, the commercial version of Mojikyo apparently
> includes 10,000 seal-script characters (I have only the free version,
> and so can't vouch for their quality).

I wasn't aware that there is a commercial version different from the
free version. I thought that was just a licensing issue. But maybe
there's a problem with the English translation on their site. Where
did you read about it?

Eric

R. Giebel

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Aug 17, 2007, 12:27:50 AM8/17/07
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Eric Rasmussen wrote:
> I wasn't aware that there is a commercial version different from the
> free version. I thought that was just a licensing issue. But maybe
> there's a problem with the English translation on their site. Where
> did you read about it?

The commercial version of Mojikyo is available from Kinokuniya and has
over 170,000 characters as opposed to the 110,000 of the free version.
You can get an idea of the overall content from the table on the
following Web page:

http://www.mojikyo.com/info/about/index.html

One problem I have with the Mojikyo font (apart from the fact that it
isn't Unicode) is that Mojikyo characters aren't preserved in PDF files
(at least in my experience), and so I only use it as a last resort.

Rolf

Eric Rasmussen

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Aug 17, 2007, 8:47:14 AM8/17/07
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On 8/17/07, R. Giebel <fe...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> The commercial version of Mojikyo is available from Kinokuniya and has
> over 170,000 characters as opposed to the 110,000 of the free version.
> You can get an idea of the overall content from the table on the
> following Web page:
>
> http://www.mojikyo.com/info/about/index.html
>
> One problem I have with the Mojikyo font (apart from the fact that it
> isn't Unicode) is that Mojikyo characters aren't preserved in PDF files
> (at least in my experience), and so I only use it as a last resort.

Thanks! I've edited the FAQ site to reflect this information:

http://www.yale.edu/chinesemac/pages/fonts.html#Mojikyo

I don't know where I got the idea that there were PDFs available.
Probably I just got confused while editing the entry at some point (I
cut back the Mojikyo coverage years ago when Unicode released
Extension B, so maybe I was thinking of the Unicode docs when I said
that). I do remember that the HTML tables work quite well...

ER

王龍駒

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Aug 17, 2007, 11:26:13 PM8/17/07
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On 8/17/07, Eric Rasmussen wrote:

> I don't know where I got the idea that there were PDFs available.

When the Mojikyo fonts first came out, for a short time they did come
with PDF files. (Not your imagination.)


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R. Giebel

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Aug 18, 2007, 4:28:21 PM8/18/07
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Eric Rasmussen wrote:
> I don't know where I got the idea that there were PDFs available.
> Probably I just got confused while editing the entry at some point (I
> cut back the Mojikyo coverage years ago when Unicode released
> Extension B, so maybe I was thinking of the Unicode docs when I said
> that). I do remember that the HTML tables work quite well...

Actually, what I meant was that Mojikyo characters can't be embedded in
PDF files. Sorry for not having been clearer! The HTML tables do work
well, but I don't think they have been updated in tandem with the font
files
available for download, which means that there are now quite a lot of
characters not contained in the HTML tables. I recently installed the
Mojikyo Character Map in Virtual PC, and it works very well.

Rolf

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