最近一个教授出差去罗马尼亚回来,说到他在罗马尼亚用了ABN AMRO
银行卡提款。回到荷兰以后,他发现当他人在 Schiphol
机场的时候,远在罗马尼亚有人从他卡上转走一笔钱,而卡还在他自己身上。没有银行卡和密码计算器,正常情形下无法进行转账操作,除非被破解。他把异常情况报告了银行。银行查了说转账本身正常,这令教授怀疑可能是罗马尼亚的 ABN AMRO
银行职员内部有人盗窃。银行替他取消了这笔异常转账,因为银行买了保险,被窃资金可以由保险公司赔付。
最近 ABN AMRO 信用卡公司写信给我要我打电话去确认几笔可疑的交易。我打电话去问了,他把 2
笔可疑交易报给我听,可在电话里面很难听明白究竟是什么样的收款方,一笔似乎是我从没听说的网上服务的订阅,总之我莫名其妙。他向我确认最后一笔正常消费是在捷克的宾馆支付房费。然后他告诉我,这些可疑收款都被拒绝了,没有造成损失,所以我最近几个月都没有收到信用卡帐单。但是为了安全,将给我重新换发一张卡。
这张信用卡,我曾经在网上订购美国可信的书店的书籍,在 ebookers.nl 订购机票 (经验是,在
ebookers 查询航班信息,然后到相应的航空公司网站去订票,价格更低,而且可选航班更多),其它都是通过 paypal
支付的,应该不会泄露信用卡信息。而在荷兰境内从没用过信用卡,因为到处都可以用银行支付卡。不明白是在何处可能泄漏信用卡信息给恶意盗窃者的。
在国外用带有 Maestro
标记的银行支付卡也可以刷卡签名消费,而不用输入密码,类似信用卡的方式。我在比利时的餐馆用过,并收到银行结账。不知道安全性如何。
另外有朋友曾经在 Delft 火车站取款后丢失 ABN AMRO
银行卡,数小时内,被盗取大笔钱。可见银行卡即便有四位密码,依然有安全漏洞,可能是使用方法上的,也可能是系统本身的。
网上交易的骗局,也是比比皆是,需要特别谨慎。
beijingrocks 2007-05-29, 06:28 PM
大家帮我看看这人是不是骗子
我最近在MARKTPLAATS上卖电脑,结果今天有个人发EMAIL给我说:
他可以先把钱汇给我,因为他说他不在荷兰,然后让我把电脑寄给他在尼日利亚的朋友,当作生日礼物。
我怎么想怎么有问题。。。因为据说荷兰的银行可以把已经汇出去的钱给要回来,所以我怕当他收到电脑之后再把汇给我的钱拿回去。。。。
大家帮我看看吧
torent 2007-05-29, 07:49
PM
我可以负责任地告诉楼主,你遇到骗子了
maarktplaas上尼日利亚,罗马尼亚的买家都是骗子。我好几个荷兰朋友都被骗过。
星月@夜 2007-05-29, 08:09
PM
不可能的,如果他把钱汇到了你帐上,按照荷兰的法律,银行是不负责任的.
他如果要把这钱要回来,只有找律师,在理由充分的前提下,他们会去你家搬东西抵债
种田的 2007-05-29, 08:27 PM
According to ABN, it is
not possible to claim money back if one set up a bank transfer to the company
him/herself
Terugboeking niet mogelijkTerugboeking van het
afgeschreven bedrag is niet mogelijk als:
de terugboekingtermijn van 21
werkdagen (30 kalenderdagen) na incasso-afschrijving is verstreken
u een
eenmalige schriftelijke machtiging hebt afgegeven, bijvoorbeel voor een
eenmalige aankoop bij een postorderbedrijf
u een doorlopende schriftelijke
machtiging kansspelen hebt afgegeven (een doorlopende telefonische machtiging
kansspelen kunt u binnen 5 werkdagen terugboeken)
het een betaling van
collegegelden betreft
u hebt betaald met een acceptgiro
u hebt betaald
door zelf over te boeken naar het bedrijf
het een creditcardbetaling
betreft.
1970118 2007-05-29, 09:15
PM
印象中好像有人发过帖子说被这样骗过.
雾轮客 2007-05-29, 09:20
PM
对方划到你的帐户的钱,除非收款人的姓名,帐号错了,银行要退钱给对方,需要你的同意。
保留好你们的对话纪录,发货证据,marktplaats对买家和卖家,都有很多交易注意事项提醒,仔细看。通过paypal付款收款也一样。
麻烦的是对方收货后,老是缠着你吵,说你货不对版,说你配件不齐,所以,最好每一件东西一个包装地寄,例如主机,打印机都单独包装寄,保留好发货单。
最好双方都用固定电话联系[以都是荷兰的号码最好],并且通过FAX把双方签名的合同互双传送。
雾轮客 2007-05-29, 09:30
PM
其实如果不是很希望多卖点钱,拿到二手店卖算了,或者在超市的报告栏插个纸条。
这样省心。
ffl2004 2007-05-30, 10:00 PM
引用:
作者: 1970118
印象中好像有人发过帖子说被这样骗过.
帖子是我发的,说的是这件事,但是不是我受骗,是有消息说这样的行骗书
miffy 2007-05-31, 11:31
AM
汇款后,500欧元以上的汇款,他们可以在几天内要求退换回来。这样他们损失的是25欧元的手续费。这个,去年电视台就播过了,凡是尼日利亚的,基本都是骗子。骗术各种各样。如果你相信了,你就可能要承担经济损失。还是正经卖给荷兰人,但是一般价格会很低。
雾轮客 2007-05-31, 12:53
PM
如果想稳妥的话,可以这样做:
1。给对方acceptgiro[纸的付款请求卡],对方签名后交给银行,这样的付款方法是不可以退的。
2。如果对方用网上汇款,告诉对方一周后才发货,钱到帐超过一周,是不可以退的。
荷兰2007年开始实验两种新型的电子acceptgiro,如果成熟推广了,这种付款方法也是不能退的,看以后吧。
sunlightbj 2007-05-31, 01:14
PM
昨天晚上一个美国的谈话节目,刚刚报道了这样的事情,不过是在ebay上。等你发货以后,就有人宣称付钱给你的信用卡是他的被盗用的,然后钱就会被转回去。负责的告诉你,这种交易涉及尼日利亚就不要进行。知道布什的准亲家是怎么折腾进监狱的吗,他是前美国参议员,就是在尼日利亚搞诈骗被捕的
我一个朋友在ebay上卖手机,也被三个尼日利亚人盯上,跟楼主你差不多
xixiyang 2007-05-31, 01:21
PM
ebay上的经典骗局
东欧,英国,非常多的这种骗子。
reBACK 2007-05-31, 01:34 PM
Hello,
I want to
buy the Latop which you placed on site.I live in Tennsesse in
America and i
need it for myself, although, i have searched for the ads
onTennsesse in
America but unfortunately, i couldn't find one that suits my
interest but
fortunately for me when i searched on other ads in other area, i
found the
perfect one with you...Dont worry about the shipping fees, add it
with my
price after the payment has been made and the charges will be taken
care on
my own
account.And as a matter of fact, i need it very fast as a result, this
wont
gimme the opportunity to price it down. Well......i will like the
transaction
to be very fast and i will like u to know that i will pay true
Bank's Wire
Transfer of Barclays Bank of United state directs to your Bank
in your country.
So, as i will like the transaction to be very fast, so, i
will like to make the
payment as soon as possible, just gimme your bank
details and your full name
and address .......and your Phone # and the
payment will be issued immediately.
Its unfortunate that my phone is out of
running order for some reason which am
about to solve between
me and my
service provider....anyway, we can do with Emails for now.
Stay Blessed and
Best Regards,
Barister. klien
reBACK 2007-05-31, 01:35 PM
Dear Potential Seller,
Thank you.How
are you,your work and also your family?This is serious bid I
offered.
Your advertistment is exciting and the price offer is moderately
good,So I am
interested before some other bidders would buy it,I reside in
Canada.
I am equally ready for the payment. both for the item and it's
shipment cost by
TPG Priority.I do like to ask you if you will prefer making
your payment via
paypal or Bank Transfer, I can make the payment of your
money over to you.
Would you be kind to let me know the conditions of the
item and also for the
shipment cost,I will be offering you 150euro extra
more for the shipment to
oversea (West Africa).
If you will prefer bank
transfer as your payment method,I will need you to get
back to me with those
informations below:
Account name:
Account number:
Bank Name:
Iban Code:
Bic
Code:
Bank Country:
Total cost:
Or if it is by paypal,I will also need you to get back to me with your
registered and confirmed paypal e-mail address or you can send me paypal
invoice for the payment.
Please act fast.
Regard.
reBACK 2007-05-31, 01:36 PM
Am Marcus Oni I live in Belgium. I will like
to
buy your item for my son schooling in nigeria,his run a
Information
Technology Programe at APTECH, he called me last two weeks that
he
need a this item of yours and i want to buy the young boy one in
asap....but
unfortunately am not in Belgium presently,am in germany for
a
business trip, i want your to ship the item to in this address
below
NAME:Oni Johnson
ADDRESS:No 4 iyana church elero iwo
road,
CITY:Ibadan
STATE:Oyo state
ZIP
CODE:23402
COUNTRY:Nigeria
Kindly send me your name and address in full
with your bank account
and the total price of the item with (tpg/tnt
post)with insured,I have confirm the shipping cost which is 100 Euro,so kindly
get back to me as soon as possible with your bank account details for the
payment
immediately.am waiting for your reply immediately because my son
need
the item in asap.
Yours sincere.
Marcus Oni.
reBACK 2007-05-31, 01:37 PM
hello seller,
please i want to buy this
item for my lovely son in united kingdom and
tell me the total cost with the
shipping cost,ok and just send me your bank
details, so i can send it to my
bank here in USA for your money to be pay into
your account.
reBACK 2007-05-31, 01:38 PM
hello seller....
i have to purchase
this laptop from you. i really have
interest
in buying it to our company
in Nigeria let me know whats in your mind
this our company
site...
www.jr.comLinda smith.....hope to hear from you soon,
reBACK 2007-05-31, 01:42
PM
lz小心了,以上均为我在marktplaats上卖东西遇到的各色各样的骗子,我都懒得回了,平均一天一封信。
骗子特点,用英语给你回信,即使我是用荷兰语发帖卖东西的。
主动要你的账号,并告知他们会主动承担运费,这个是诱饵,太傻比了,中国人一看就知道有阴谋,不过骗老外挺管用的。
cocoying 2007-05-31, 09:30
PM
这么简单的谎言..根本不用听的...晕啊...这人是TMD的SB一个...脑子不好编这么个SB的借口....在荷兰买2手电脑给在泥日你啊的朋友做礼物....哪个去相信他估计也要当SB了...
下次他再打电话问你就当他SB...MP上面骗子多...不当面交易的最好都不要信....折腾你把东西寄出去收不到钱怎么办...要是LZ不相信GGD的同仁给你的警告...你也可以等他把钱寄给你然后把东西记出去...把凭据留着到时候可以跟警察或者银行解释
jiasdreams 2007-05-31, 10:27
PM
我想他不会寄钱给你的。他就想要你的帐号,姓名,地址和电话号码,然后从你帐号你骗钱!楼主小心哦!(记住经常差你帐号,发现不妙『钱被人取了,automatische
incasso』马上通知你的银行)
celina_l 2007-05-31, 11:52 PM
荷兰境内的卖家安全指数高一些
垃圾食品 2007-06-01, 12:50
AM
放心吧,这个100%是……
骗子
我在英国ebay还见过要求卖家把汽车运到Nigeria的
scooterboy 2007-06-01, 09:37
AM
中国人这么聪明,用小脑想一想都能明白这么骗子啊!说的天花乱坠,搞得你要是卖了他电脑就能拿诺贝尔和平奖是的!