An appeal for informed discussions on CIR ASAP
Tania
I feel like there is a lot of talk about what the bill, and what it means for undocumented people before actually learning about it. For example, the bill DOES NOT try to "lure" youth into the military. In fact, the provisions for people who came to the US before the age of 15 are much better than the dream act. If you are a youth who came to the US under 15 you may have an "accelerated" track to legalization, if you pass the background check, without paying the $500, and if with 2 years of either school, work, community service, or military. If you have already completed 2 years of ANY of these, you may become a resident, and then a citizen. It even includes people (and youth) who are in the process of deportation.
Please check your facts before you call out for a press conference, or for mobilization against the proposal. On the press release that was sent out about the press conference for example, it mentions that there will be a temporary worker's program. This is in fact not true. There will be no temporary worker's program as part of CIR ASAP.
Yes, of course, there are things to criticize about enforcement, and the lack of solutions for an overall overhaul of immigration. But at least check your facts when discussing the reform. The last thing we need is misinformation in our campaign. Let's have intelligent and informed discussions.
Tania Unzueta
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- Immigration Reform in 2010? [1 Update]
- Immigration Reform in 2010? [1 Update]
Topic: Immigration Reform in 2010?Neal...@aol.com Dec 22 08:48PM -0500 ^
This new bill, probably more aptly named Immigration Enforcement Act, may
enable a small percentage of the undocumented to jump through the hoops to
gain legal status-- a fine of $500 per person, ability to speak English,
proof of having a job...the part about having to return home first seems not
to be in the bill, at least from what I see in the summary. But luring
undocumented youth into the military with the promise of maybe gaining some
legal status (what a nightmare to go through to achieve a dream) is there...No
to this bill. --Neal
In a message dated 12/22/2009 5:57:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
DonR...@aol.com writes:
I just downloaded and printed up the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform
for America's Security and Prosperity Act of 2009" (CIRASAP Act of
2009) and it's 644 pages. I will begin reading this proposal in order
to be ready to articulate to the public, politicians, activist and
others as to why this proposal should be dead on arrival. The mere
name reflects the object of the proposal, e.g. Security and
Prosperity. I also have a copy of the United Front For Immigrants
Proposal for Immigration Reform, a grass-roots collaborative in
Chicago that simply calls for a "More just" immigration proposal.
Finally, I have the Brookings Institution, "Breaking the Immigration
Stalemate" report to see how all these proposal meet the criteria for
a Humane and Just Immigration Reform Proposal. I would love to have
others join me to analytically decipher these documents to make sure
that: The undocumented people do not get caught supporting an
immigration bill that will send millions back to their point of origin
without any recourse for legal entry and that USA citizens are not
left "parentless". Also, does the "Dream Act" really benefit the
present undocumented student? So, come on board with me these
holiday's to read, I will meet every Tuesday's at a location on the
Southside of Chicago. email me:donr...@aol.com
gracias
Peace, Si Se Puede!
Topic: Immigration Reform in 2010?DonReggie <DonR...@aol.com> Dec 22 08:58AM -0800 ^
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I just downloaded and printed up the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform
for America's Security and Prosperity Act of 2009" (CIRASAP Act of
2009) and it's 644 pages. I will begin reading this proposal in order
to be ready to articulate to the public, politicians, activist and
others as to why this proposal should be dead on arrival. The mere
name reflects the object of the proposal, e.g. Security and
Prosperity. I also have a copy of the United Front For Immigrants
Proposal for Immigration Reform, a grass-roots collaborative in
Chicago that simply calls for a "More just" immigration proposal.
Finally, I have the Brookings Institution, "Breaking the Immigration
Stalemate" report to see how all these proposal meet the criteria for
a Humane and Just Immigration Reform Proposal. I would love to have
others join me to analytically decipher these documents to make sure
that: The undocumented people do not get caught supporting an
immigration bill that will send millions back to their point of origin
without any recourse for legal entry and that USA citizens are not
left "parentless". Also, does the "Dream Act" really benefit the
present undocumented student? So, come on board with me these
holiday's to read, I will meet every Tuesday's at a location on the
Southside of Chicago. email me:donr...@aol.com
gracias
Peace, Si Se Puede!
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J. Mujica
Our lack of unity is pretty clear, no surprises there. I think
differences arise from different positions in regards to what happens
(or not) in the field of immigration reform and where do we stand on
the issue.
A proposal has been introduced in the House of Representatives, co-
sponsored by about 90 legislators.
I would like to echo Tania's call for an intelligent and informed
discussion about it.
I woul like to call a meeting of al those interested in such a novel
thing, an intelligent and informed discussion, let's say by Monday,
January 4, 2010, let's say at Casa Michoacan at 6 pm.
Let me know if anyone is interested.
Mujica
Rosi Carrasco
Rosi Carrasco
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:40:35 -0600
Subject: <ChicagoMayDay> An appeal for informed discussions on CIR ASAP
From: ilehl...@gmail.com
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J. Mujica
I'm interested in participating. I agree that all of us who have been
part of the immigration reform initiatives should participate in a
structured meeting. I also am of the opinion that conditions have
changed and we need to dialogue to help each other perceive the same
reality. We need to give immigration reform legislative initiatives a
different meaning and a different place in the struggle.
I agree on the date, but I disagree on the place. We should meet at
your campaign office. I view your campaign office as one of the new
battlegrounds for immigration reform. Let's do it!!!
Omar N. Lopez
Orlando Sepulveda
We'll be attending.
In 2007, the movement in our city was able to work out differences
around the Strive Act proposal through political debate. The most
important result of this debate was to discover than beyond the
proposal, the movement had plenty of space to keep working together
for the Legalization of All. Consequently, our city was the only one
presenting a united front around our demands and had the biggest
MayDay demonstration that year. We must repeat that this year. Either
you support or not Gutierrez's proposal, our fight is still the same,
Legalization for All, and we need to figure out the way in which we'll
be pushing together for it this year.
Orlando, for the International Socialist Organization, 773-387-8225
On Dec 24, 11:40 pm, Tania <ilehlai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a quick note to people -
>
> I feel like there is a lot of talk about what the bill, and what it means
> for undocumented people before actually learning about it. For example, the
> bill DOES NOT try to "lure" youth into the military. In fact, the provisions
> for people who came to the US before the age of 15 are much better than the
> dream act. If you are a youth who came to the US under 15 you may have an
> "accelerated" track to legalization, if you pass the background check,
> without paying the $500, and if with 2 years of either school, work,
> community service, or military. If you have already completed 2 years of ANY
> of these, you may become a resident, and then a citizen. It even includes
> people (and youth) who are in the process of deportation.
>
> Please *check your facts *before you call out for a press conference, or for
> mobilization against the proposal. On the press release that was sent out
> about the press conference for example, it mentions that there will be a
> temporary worker's program. This is in fact not true. There will be no
> temporary worker's program as part of CIR ASAP.
>
> Yes, of course, there are things to criticize about enforcement, and the
> lack of solutions for an overall overhaul of immigration. But at least check
> your facts when discussing the reform. The last thing we need is
> misinformation in our campaign. Let's have intelligent and informed
> discussions.
>
> Tania Unzueta
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:16 AM,
> <chicagomay...@googlegroups.com<chicagomayday%2Bnoreply@googlegroups.com>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > Today's Topic Summary
>
> > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/chicagomayday/topics
>
> > - Immigration Reform in 2010? <#125bc532520a2294_group_thread_0> [1
> > Update]
> > - Immigration Reform in 2010? <#125bc532520a2294_group_thread_1> [1
> > Update]
>
> > Topic: Immigration Reform in 2010?<http://groups.google.com/group/chicagomayday/t/3858240117363bb5>
>
> > NealBe...@aol.com Dec 22 08:48PM -0500 ^ <#125bc532520a2294_digest_top>
>
> > This new bill, probably more aptly named Immigration Enforcement Act,
> > may
> > enable a small percentage of the undocumented to jump through the hoops
> > to
> > gain legal status-- a fine of $500 per person, ability to speak
> > English,
> > proof of having a job...the part about having to return home first
> > seems not
> > to be in the bill, at least from what I see in the summary. But luring
> > undocumented youth into the military with the promise of maybe gaining
> > some
> > legal status (what a nightmare to go through to achieve a dream) is
> > there...No
> > to this bill. --Neal
>
> > In a message dated 12/22/2009 5:57:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> > DonReg...@aol.com writes:
>
> > I just downloaded and printed up the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform
> > for America's Security and Prosperity Act of 2009" (CIRASAP Act of
> > 2009) and it's 644 pages. I will begin reading this proposal in order
> > to be ready to articulate to the public, politicians, activist and
> > others as to why this proposal should be dead on arrival. The mere
> > name reflects the object of the proposal, e.g. Security and
> > Prosperity. I also have a copy of the United Front For Immigrants
> > Proposal for Immigration Reform, a grass-roots collaborative in
> > Chicago that simply calls for a "More just" immigration proposal.
> > Finally, I have the Brookings Institution, "Breaking the Immigration
> > Stalemate" report to see how all these proposal meet the criteria for
> > a Humane and Just Immigration Reform Proposal. I would love to have
> > others join me to analytically decipher these documents to make sure
> > that: The undocumented people do not get caught supporting an
> > immigration bill that will send millions back to their point of origin
> > without any recourse for legal entry and that USA citizens are not
> > left "parentless". Also, does the "Dream Act" really benefit the
> > present undocumented student? So, come on board with me these
> > holiday's to read, I will meet every Tuesday's at a location on the
> > Southside of Chicago. email me:donreg...@aol.com<me%3Adonreg...@aol.com>
> > gracias
> > Peace, Si Se Puede!
>
> > Topic: Immigration Reform in 2010?<http://groups.google.com/group/chicagomayday/t/9eb95050ca806e4b>
>
> > DonReggie <DonReg...@aol.com> Dec 22 08:58AM -0800 ^<#125bc532520a2294_digest_top>
>
> > I just downloaded and printed up the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform
> > for America's Security and Prosperity Act of 2009" (CIRASAP Act of
> > 2009) and it's 644 pages. I will begin reading this proposal in order
> > to be ready to articulate to the public, politicians, activist and
> > others as to why this proposal should be dead on arrival. The mere
> > name reflects the object of the proposal, e.g. Security and
> > Prosperity. I also have a copy of the United Front For Immigrants
> > Proposal for Immigration Reform, a grass-roots collaborative in
> > Chicago that simply calls for a "More just" immigration proposal.
> > Finally, I have the Brookings Institution, "Breaking the Immigration
> > Stalemate" report to see how all these proposal meet the criteria for
> > a Humane and Just Immigration Reform Proposal. I would love to have
> > others join me to analytically decipher these documents to make sure
> > that: The undocumented people do not get caught supporting an
> > immigration bill that will send millions back to their point of origin
> > without any recourse for legal entry and that USA citizens are not
> > left "parentless". Also, does the "Dream Act" really benefit the
> > present undocumented student? So, come on board with me these
> > holiday's to read, I will meet every Tuesday's at a location on the
> > Southside of Chicago. email me:donreg...@aol.com<me%3Adonreg...@aol.com>
> > gracias
> > Peace, Si Se Puede!
>
> > --
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>
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cristobal cavazos
Good initiative & I look forward to taking part
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Tanya Golash-Boza
Legalization for All? Not with HR 4321
By Tanya Maria Golash-BozaIt looks like it is about time for immigration reform to be debated in Congress again. For the twelve million undocumented people in the United States, immigration reform could not come too soon.
H.R.4321 – Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America’s Security and Prosperity Act of 2009, the latest proposed legislation, would allow undocumented immigrants to apply for legal status. This provision has caused anti-immigration activists such as Mark Krikorian and others to voice concern about the proposed legislation. Among immigrant-rights activists, the provision is generally celebrated. However, many activists also recognize that HR 4321 likely will not provide for the legalization of all 12 million undocumented people in the US.
HR 4321 provides legalization only to those undocumented immigrants who qualify. Any undocumented immigrant who has been convicted of more than three misdemeanors or one felony will not be eligible for legalization.
This may, at first glance, seem like a fair provision. Who wants criminal elements in our midst? However, if we consider the potential human costs to deportation, the story changes. Felonies are generally crimes for which the sentence is more than one year. Felony convictions vary by state but could include, for example, property damage over $250 (Arizona) or possession of one gram of cocaine (Indiana) possession of four ounces of marijuana (Texas) or possession of a BB gun (New Jersey). These are crimes, but many would argue that the punishment should not be permanent separation from one’s loved ones. For many, deportation amounts to exile from the only country they have known.
Due to racist police tactics and a discriminatory justice system, felony convictions are all too common for people of color. For example, Bureau of Justice statistics estimate that 17% of Hispanic males in the United States will go to State or Federal prison at least once in their lifetimes (pdf). Notably, only about 75% of people convicted of felonies actually serve time, making the rate of felony convictions for Latinos even higher. Rates of incarceration for immigrants are lower than for the native born. However, it is reasonably safe to say that as many as one million of the current twelve million undocumented migrants currently in the United States will not be eligible for legalization because of prior criminal convictions.
Many of these one million people will be long-term residents of the United States, and will have families in the United States. Knowing they have a criminal conviction, they will be faced with the choice of remaining in the shadows and continuing to live with their families and leaving their families behind to fend for themselves.
In short, anything less than legalization for all will mean that the problems associated with undocumented migration will not go away with immigration reform. We will continue to have people in the United States who are deprived of the basic rights that go along with legal status, and, of course, citizenship.
It is crucial to point out that those undocumented migrants that can take advantage of legalization will benefit from the passage of a bill such as HR 4321. For that reason, this bill deserves the support of the progressive community. At the same time, we should continue to push for the long-held goal of the immigrant rights movement – legalization for all! Anything less will be a compromise that will harm millions of immigrants and their families.
~ Tanya Maria Golash-Boza teaches at the University of Kansas and blogs about her research on the consequences of mass deportation at http://tanyagolashboza.blogspot.com/