Uh Oh. There goes another one
Oleg Ostrozhansky
In article <30E45...@mcs.com>, Ed Pickart <e...@mcs.com> wrote:
>ski...@wwa.com wrote:
>>
>> Would you recommend mcs to your friends?
>>
>> Let us grade the service:
>> Server speed: A+ (it is fast)
>> Connectivity: F (dropped connections)
>> Customer service: F (no refunds, they still owe me money)
>> Tech support: F (it is your fault)
>> Censorship: F (killed groups)
>> R&D: D (CIX blah, Clari groups so so)
>> POP availability: C (WWA has 12+)
>>
>> Anyone care to debate these grades?
>
>no.
>
>You sound bitter. <------ (don't reply to this statement, I've heard your story)
>
>But please _do_ grade WWA for us. Be honest -- I don't want to see all A's. :)
>Is the server fast? Do they censor any groups?
One of the things that hold me from moving to WWA is this ping statistics
(done from my college accounts on charlie.acc.iit.edu; I was running both
pings at the same time):
----wwa.com PING Statistics----
488 packets transmitted, 451 packets received, 7% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 10/69/149 ms
----mcs.com PING Statistics----
479 packets transmitted, 476 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 7/16/197 ms
traceroute shows the two routes to be almost identical. This tells me
that WWA's link is quite saturated, or simply slow. Or am I reading this
wrong? I've been doing these pings for awhile now, and they always look
like that, any time of day. Is WWA going to upgrade their link?
At least connectivity and speed of servers (including cluster machines)
are very good at MCS.
01eg
---
Oleg Ostrozhansky ol...@mcs.com ost...@charlie.acc.iit.edu
http://www.mcs.net/~oleg/ Oleg_Ost...@email.mot.com
Chuck Ross
My results are just a wee bit different;
Source: [204.120.203.40] --> Destination: mcs.com. [192.160.127.80]
RESULT PKT# TIME LENGTH
success 1 9 56
success 2 10 56
success 3 11 56
success 4 10 56
success 5 10 56
Packets out/in/bad/%loss = 5/5/0/0
Round Trip Time (Ticks) min/avg/max = 9/10/11
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Source: [204.120.203.40] --> Destination: wwa.com. [198.49.174.1]
RESULT PKT# TIME LENGTH
success 1 12 56
success 2 13 56
success 3 13 56
success 4 14 56
success 5 11 56
Packets out/in/bad/%loss = 5/5/0/0
Round Trip Time (Ticks) min/avg/max = 11/12/14
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WWA seems a tad slower. Otherwise, no packet losses.
_____________________________________________________________________
Chuck Ross South Holland, IL KC9FL ckr...@wwa.com
Bob Zimmerman
>
>One of the things that hold me from moving to WWA is this ping statistics
>(done from my college accounts on charlie.acc.iit.edu; I was running both
>pings at the same time):
>
>----wwa.com PING Statistics----
>488 packets transmitted, 451 packets received, 7% packet loss
>round-trip min/avg/max = 10/69/149 ms
>
>----mcs.com PING Statistics----
>479 packets transmitted, 476 packets received, 0% packet loss
>round-trip min/avg/max = 7/16/197 ms
>
>traceroute shows the two routes to be almost identical. This tells me
>that WWA's link is quite saturated, or simply slow. Or am I reading this
>wrong? I've been doing these pings for awhile now, and they always look
>like that, any time of day. Is WWA going to upgrade their link?
>
>At least connectivity and speed of servers (including cluster machines)
>are very good at MCS.
I wanted info on this too... Turns out they have a business account which has
hit the papers or something (they have constant ftp's saturating certain lines
or something)... and they are waiting on AmeriReck for a new T1 to isolate
them on their own lines.
Quite honestly, I am no expert at this stuff, but it made sense to me...
Either way I didn't get lip when I asked ;)...
Seriously, I would ask them about it. If enough of us ask, maybe they'll just
Nail AmeriReck to a cross or something to get that line in :)
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>>
>> traceroute shows the two routes to be almost
identical. This tells me
>> that WWA's link is quite saturated, or simply slow.
Or am I reading this
>> wrong? I've been doing these pings for awhile now,
and they always look
>> like that, any time of day. Is WWA going to upgrade
their link?
>>
>> At least connectivity and speed of servers (including
cluster machines)
>> are very good at MCS.
>
problem with wwa. i just
>recently switched over from interaccess, because i
would get busy signels
>every single night when i needed to contact.
>
> mike : exh...@wwa.com : transmission 23 ~
http://www.lmg.com/trans23/
Could someone post a list of the clari.* newsgroups
available on WWA. --or send it to me by e-mail
Len
gros...@mcs.net ( attachments here only)
alternative address:leonard....@syslink.mcs.com
michael
michael
r...@wwa.com
>Could someone post a list of the clari.* newsgroups
>available on WWA. --or send it to me by e-mail
>
>Len
>
>gros...@mcs.net ( attachments here only)
>alternative address:leonard....@syslink.mcs.com
Went in and refreshed my group list (almost 16000!) and copied the
clari* groups. I don't read clari*, but I hope the ones you read are
in the list.
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Bob Zimmerman
>In article <30E4F6...@wwa.com>, michael
><exh...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>>
>Could someone post a list of the clari.* newsgroups
>available on WWA. --or send it to me by e-mail
>
I just check the WWA pages and they offer pro-rated refunds on a quarter,
half-year and yearly subscriptions. They don't on monthly though. You might
want to still check with them about getting a trial account to compare service
etc... In fact, see how they handle that phone call :) compare to their
competitors :)
I'll send you the list too :)
Philip Gravel
Chuck Ross <ckr...@wwa.com> wrote:
>In article <4c1moq$r...@Venus.mcs.com>, ol...@MCS.COM (Oleg Ostrozhansky) wrote:
>
>>One of the things that hold me from moving to WWA is this ping statistics
>>(done from my college accounts on charlie.acc.iit.edu; I was running both
>>pings at the same time):
>>
>>----wwa.com PING Statistics----
>>488 packets transmitted, 451 packets received, 7% packet loss
>>round-trip min/avg/max = 10/69/149 ms
>>
>>----mcs.com PING Statistics----
>>479 packets transmitted, 476 packets received, 0% packet loss
>>round-trip min/avg/max = 7/16/197 ms
>
>
>Source: [204.120.203.40] --> Destination: mcs.com. [192.160.127.80]
>RESULT PKT# TIME LENGTH
>success 1 9 56
>success 2 10 56
>success 3 11 56
>success 4 10 56
>success 5 10 56
>Packets out/in/bad/%loss = 5/5/0/0
>Round Trip Time (Ticks) min/avg/max = 9/10/11
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Source: [204.120.203.40] --> Destination: wwa.com. [198.49.174.1]
>RESULT PKT# TIME LENGTH
>success 1 12 56
>success 2 13 56
>success 3 13 56
>success 4 14 56
>success 5 11 56
>Packets out/in/bad/%loss = 5/5/0/0
>Round Trip Time (Ticks) min/avg/max = 11/12/14
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>WWA seems a tad slower. Otherwise, no packet losses.
As any statistician will tell you, 500 packets is a much, much
more representative sample than 5 packets.
--
Phil
_____________________________________________________________
Philip Gravel Lisle, Illinois pgr...@mcs.net
Oleg Ostrozhansky
>
>Went in and refreshed my group list (almost 16000!) and copied the
>clari* groups. I don't read clari*, but I hope the ones you read are
>in the list.
>
>clari
>clari.apbl
>clari.apbl.biz
>clari.apbl.biz.briefs
>clari.apbl.biz.headlines
>clari.apbl.briefs
>clari.apbl.entertainment
>clari.apbl.movies
>clari.apbl.music
>clari.apbl.reports
These apbl newsgroups aren't even available on MCS. Weren't they
removed in the new Clarinet group structure? What's the story?
Does WWA have articles in them?
01eg
---
Oleg Ostrozhansky ol...@mcs.com http://www.mcs.net/~oleg/
Michael E. Rubin
: In article <4c42qi$7...@kirin.wwa.com>, r...@wwa.com <r...@wwa.com> wrote:
: >
: >Went in and refreshed my group list (almost 16000!) and copied the
: >clari* groups. I don't read clari*, but I hope the ones you read are
: >in the list.
: >
: >clari
: >clari.apbl
: >clari.apbl.biz
: >clari.apbl.biz.briefs
: >clari.apbl.biz.headlines
: >clari.apbl.briefs
: >clari.apbl.entertainment
: >clari.apbl.movies
: >clari.apbl.music
: >clari.apbl.reports
: These apbl newsgroups aren't even available on MCS. Weren't they
: removed in the new Clarinet group structure? What's the story?
: Does WWA have articles in them?
Let's be up front, though. WWA, as opposed to another provider, doesn't
offer "four-star Clarinet service" and doesn't even pretend to. The level
of clarinet service, from what I understand, is a lower tier.
Some folks I have talked to find this to be extremely critical and
vital. That's alright -- everyone has their needs. But what WWA does
offer and will continue to offer is reliable service and a well-focused
customer-first attitude. Always has, always will.
Michael
--
--
Michael E. Rubin ru...@shoga.wwa.com WorldWide Access Customer Service,
Jack-of-all-Trades
r...@wwa.com
>In article <4c42qi$7...@kirin.wwa.com>, r...@wwa.com <r...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>
>>Went in and refreshed my group list (almost 16000!) and copied the
>>clari* groups. I don't read clari*, but I hope the ones you read are
>>in the list.
>These apbl newsgroups aren't even available on MCS. Weren't they
>removed in the new Clarinet group structure? What's the story?
>Does WWA have articles in them?
>
> 01eg
>
Oleg, All I did was open the group.dat file and copy everything with a
clari*. I don't read the groups, but maybe a tech from wwa could jump
in and answer the question.
RH
Bob Zimmerman
>In article <4c42qi$7...@kirin.wwa.com>, r...@wwa.com <r...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>
>>Went in and refreshed my group list (almost 16000!) and copied the
>>clari* groups. I don't read clari*, but I hope the ones you read are
>>in the list.
>...
>>
>>clari
>>clari.apbl
>>clari.apbl.biz
>>clari.apbl.biz.briefs
>>clari.apbl.biz.headlines
>>clari.apbl.briefs
>>clari.apbl.entertainment
>>clari.apbl.movies
>>clari.apbl.music
>>clari.apbl.reports
>...
>
>These apbl newsgroups aren't even available on MCS. Weren't they
>removed in the new Clarinet group structure? What's the story?
>Does WWA have articles in them?
there are articles in these... I have no idea how come MCS doesn't have them.
Probably the fact that Karl screens all new newsgroups or that these are
subsets of others that he has... but I am sure it won't be his fault and he
has an explanation. Even better, he will start with we all know very well...
:o
r...@wwa.com
>>These apbl newsgroups aren't even available on MCS. Weren't they
>>removed in the new Clarinet group structure? What's the story?
>>Does WWA have articles in them?
>
>there are articles in these... I have no idea how come MCS doesn't have them.
>Probably the fact that Karl screens all new newsgroups or that these are
>subsets of others that he has... but I am sure it won't be his fault and he
>has an explanation. Even better, he will start with we all know very well...
>:o
"A rebel spy has been located Lord Denninger"
"Good - Bring that spy to me"
"Yes - Lord Denninger"
Hey Bob - How many times has Karl threatened to sue you? Can me make a
list? Does one exist? Can I get it? Does Karl have a son that will
save us all? Jesus or some kid named Luke?
Chris A. Rodgers
>Hey Bob - How many times has Karl threatened to sue you? Can me make a
>list? Does one exist? Can I get it? Does Karl have a son that will
>save us all? Jesus or some kid named Luke?
OH GOD!!! The thought of Denninger reproducing just went through my
mind - what a disgusting thought!!!!!!!! Heaven help the world the
day he has offspring! Of course, he'll blame all of the home problems
on the kid, charge the kid rent, chop out TV channels, and when the
kid leaves home, won't refund him the unused portion of his rent!
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Karl Denninger
Bob Zimmerman <bob...@metaworld.com> wrote:
>ol...@MCS.COM (Oleg Ostrozhansky) wrote:
>
>>In article <4c42qi$7...@kirin.wwa.com>, r...@wwa.com <r...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>clari* groups. I don't read clari*, but I hope the ones you read are
>>>in the list.
>>>
>>>clari
>>>clari.apbl
>>>clari.apbl.biz
>>>clari.apbl.biz.briefs
>>>clari.apbl.biz.headlines
>>>clari.apbl.briefs
>>>clari.apbl.entertainment
>>>clari.apbl.movies
>>>clari.apbl.music
>>>clari.apbl.reports
>>
>>These apbl newsgroups aren't even available on MCS. Weren't they
>>removed in the new Clarinet group structure? What's the story?
>>Does WWA have articles in them?
>
>there are articles in these... I have no idea how come MCS doesn't have them.
>Probably the fact that Karl screens all new newsgroups or that these are
>subsets of others that he has... but I am sure it won't be his fault and he
>has an explanation. Even better, he will start with we all know very well...
>:o
Those groups are defunct as of the Clarinet reorganization.
Look at their home page if you would like a current list.
Creating groups doesn't imply a feed. Clarinet will frequently show a *few*
articles in groups which aren't in your subset -- this doesn't mean they are
"really there".
For the real story, call 1-800-USE-NETS, or the provider you're considering.
According to Clarinet, we are the only Chicago-based firm with a full
Clarinet feed. I understand that of the commercial sites, we are one of
three or four in the entire nation.
This is a hideously expensive service for us, or any ISP, to purchase for
the benefit of our users. We picked it up precisely because it benefits
our customers and they said they found it useful.
Happy new year!
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Chuck Ross
>In article <30e6ba3f...@news.wwa.com>,
>Bob Zimmerman <bob...@metaworld.com> wrote:
>>ol...@MCS.COM (Oleg Ostrozhansky) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <4c42qi$7...@kirin.wwa.com>, r...@wwa.com <r...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Went in and refreshed my group list (almost 16000!) and copied the
>>>>clari* groups. I don't read clari*, but I hope the ones you read are
>>>>in the list.
>>>...
>>>>
>>>>clari
>>>>clari.apbl
>>>>clari.apbl.biz
>>>>clari.apbl.biz.briefs
>>>>clari.apbl.biz.headlines
>>>>clari.apbl.briefs
>>>>clari.apbl.entertainment
>>>>clari.apbl.movies
>>>>clari.apbl.music
>>>>clari.apbl.reports
>>>...
>>>
>>>These apbl newsgroups aren't even available on MCS. Weren't they
>>>removed in the new Clarinet group structure? What's the story?
>>>Does WWA have articles in them?
>>
>>there are articles in these... I have no idea how come MCS doesn't have them.
>>Probably the fact that Karl screens all new newsgroups or that these are
>>subsets of others that he has... but I am sure it won't be his fault and he
>>has an explanation. Even better, he will start with we all know very well...
>>:o
>
>Those groups are defunct as of the Clarinet reorganization.
>
>Look at their home page if you would like a current list.
>
>Creating groups doesn't imply a feed. Clarinet will frequently show a *few*
>articles in groups which aren't in your subset -- this doesn't mean they are
>"really there".
Hmmm...all of the above listed groups do have current articles in them;
does this mean they're "not really there"? Are these just planted articles
to fool people into thinking they're active newsgroups?
How novel!
Bob Zimmerman
>
>Those groups are defunct as of the Clarinet reorganization.
>
>Look at their home page if you would like a current list.
>
>Creating groups doesn't imply a feed. Clarinet will frequently show a *few*
>articles in groups which aren't in your subset -- this doesn't mean they are
>"really there".
>
>For the real story, call 1-800-USE-NETS, or the provider you're considering.
>
>According to Clarinet, we are the only Chicago-based firm with a full
>Clarinet feed. I understand that of the commercial sites, we are one of
>three or four in the entire nation.
>
>This is a hideously expensive service for us, or any ISP, to purchase for
>the benefit of our users. We picked it up precisely because it benefits
>our customers and they said they found it useful.
>
Translation... Karl doesn't really know why there are articles in them. Oleg,
I am sure you can find the answer over at Clarinet :)...
FYI: for those that have a thirst for news like the 4star feed - but want it
free of frustration, attitude etc... there are a couple of new services coming
out.
The new IBM Market Ticker was released over the holidays. You can get several
news feeds up to the minute on your desktop. Actually it is pretty cool, I
just downloaded the Windows version. Basically, there is a ticker which gets
updated every "x minutes" with the latest news. You define how often and which
feeds. If a headline is of interest, double click it in the ticker window or
history window and your browser is launched on the full article.
Very very cool and a bit more convenient. IBM is saying that for now it is
free, but it will turn commercial sometime in 96. Considering the new MSN
(released the last week at http://www.msn.com) is going to have a similar feed
for free (forgot which page I read this on), I'll assume IBM will have to do
the same.
To each their own I guess :)
For the IBM ticker you can get info at http://www.infomkt.ibm.com/ticker.htm
and you can download the latest windows version (16 bit and 32 bit included)
at ftp://ftp.infomkt.ibm.com/pub/tickerin.exe
Happy new year.... and good news to all :)
r...@wwa.com
>For the IBM ticker you can get info at http://www.infomkt.ibm.com/ticker.htm
>and you can download the latest windows version (16 bit and 32 bit included)
>at ftp://ftp.infomkt.ibm.com/pub/tickerin.exe
>
>
>Happy new year.... and good news to all :)
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Really cool! You have a ticker with news and clarinet is basically
useless. I don't read clarinet, but I think this idea would be one I'd
check out. The biggest joke about reading news is having to go get it.
Now its beamed right to my terminal... I have a weather program like
this. It goes and gets the readings from the National Weather Service.
On days when I am unable to listen to my radio and get the readings
from the Romeoville transmitter, I run this app. Way cool.
RH
Paul Vader
>the slowness of the servers is basically the ONLY problem with wwa. i just
>
test myself, and got a 5% packet loss to wwa. There does seem to be a
pattern there.
BTW I was thinking of moving to tezcat, but I found the servers just too
slow for comfort. Otherwise they're great people. It would be nice to have
the best of both worlds, but performance is what I'm paying for. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
Michael E. Rubin
: michael <exh...@wwa.com> writes:
: >the slowness of the servers is basically the ONLY problem with wwa. i just
: >
: That's a fairly significant problem to be the only one. I just ran Oleg's
: test myself, and got a 5% packet loss to wwa. There does seem to be a
: pattern there.
: BTW I was thinking of moving to tezcat, but I found the servers just too
: slow for comfort. Otherwise they're great people. It would be nice to have
: the best of both worlds, but performance is what I'm paying for. *
To each their own. I know that when I was simply shopping around for a
provider, I wasn't informed enough to know what the difference between a
packet and a IP#. I wanted to get connected to the Internet quickly,
efficiently, without hassle. I rested comfortably knowing that there
were *people* at my provider who would listen and treat me with the
respect I felt I should be accorded.
Just as Hollywood will never learn that special effects will never
guarantee the suceess of a science fiction movie, many people in the
Internet business refuse to believe that it is *people* who will
guarantee the success of a provider.
Karl Denninger
Chuck Ross <ckr...@wwa.com> wrote:
>In article <4c9p17$4...@Venus.mcs.com>, ka...@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) wrote:
>>
>>
>>Creating groups doesn't imply a feed. Clarinet will frequently show a *few*
>>articles in groups which aren't in your subset -- this doesn't mean they are
>>"really there".
>
>does this mean they're "not really there"? Are these just planted articles
>to fool people into thinking they're active newsgroups?
>
>How novel!
Reading comprehension impaired by the holidays Chuck?
Clarinet cross-posts articles, and their better offerings include the
lesser ones. Thus, if you have one of the lesser feeds, you will see
*some* traffic in those groups which are reserved for their better grades of
service.
It is pointless to have groups around which only get 10% of the intended
traffic, especially when those articles are also properly files in the
appropriate groups which you *are* subscribed to as a system.
What would be instructive would be to post the COMPLETE active file lines.
That shows article counts (first and last) -- which gives you volume.
Also, sites are not supposed to (according to Clarinet's contract) have
groups for which they are not subscribed on their servers at all.
Finally, "AP Bulletin line" (anything with "apbl" in the name) is a marker
of the two-star service. Those groups should NOT be present on Clarinet
sites which have higher grades of service, as the articles in these areas
are actually distributed through the entire full feed.
Bob Zimmerman
>Clarinet cross-posts articles, and their better offerings include the
>lesser ones. Thus, if you have one of the lesser feeds, you will see
>*some* traffic in those groups which are reserved for their better grades of
>service.
>
>It is pointless to have groups around which only get 10% of the intended
>traffic, especially when those articles are also properly files in the
>appropriate groups which you *are* subscribed to as a system.
>
>What would be instructive would be to post the COMPLETE active file lines.
>That shows article counts (first and last) -- which gives you volume.
>
>Also, sites are not supposed to (according to Clarinet's contract) have
>groups for which they are not subscribed on their servers at all.
>
>Finally, "AP Bulletin line" (anything with "apbl" in the name) is a marker
>of the two-star service. Those groups should NOT be present on Clarinet
>sites which have higher grades of service, as the articles in these areas
>are actually distributed through the entire full feed.
Your explanation was both informative and I ass-u-me accurate. Interesting
that you thought Chuck should have summized that from your first explanation
quoted below.
>>>Creating groups doesn't imply a feed. Clarinet will frequently show a *few*
>>>articles in groups which aren't in your subset -- this doesn't mean they are
>>>"really there".
As a suggestion, spend less time answering questions from your customers
(Oleg) with an advertisement and simply provide the info requested.
Chuck Ross
>In article <ckross-0101...@schi1-024.wwa.com>,
>Chuck Ross <ckr...@wwa.com> wrote:
>>In article <4c9p17$4...@Venus.mcs.com>, ka...@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) wrote:
>>>
>>>Look at their home page if you would like a current list.
>>>
>>>Creating groups doesn't imply a feed. Clarinet will frequently show a *few*
>>>articles in groups which aren't in your subset -- this doesn't mean they are
>>>"really there".
>>
>>Hmmm...all of the above listed groups do have current articles in them;
>>does this mean they're "not really there"? Are these just planted articles
>>to fool people into thinking they're active newsgroups?
>>
>>How novel!
>
>Reading comprehension impaired by the holidays Chuck?
>
Nope, it was your paragraph that was rather confusing:
>>>Creating groups doesn't imply a feed. Clarinet will frequently show a *few*
>>>articles in groups which aren't in your subset -- this doesn't mean they are
>>>"really there".
Perhaps your superb writing abilities are impaired by all this flaming achoo...
Andrew Deckowitz
>In article <ckross-2912...@schi1-008.wwa.com>,
Do you want to know the sad part about Chuck's "statistics"?
----
; <<>> DiG 2.1 <<>> -x
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 6
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 1, Auth: 3, Addit: 2
;; QUESTIONS:
;; 40.203.120.204.in-addr.arpa, type = ANY, class = IN
;; ANSWERS:
40.203.120.204.in-addr.arpa. 172800 PTR schi1-008.wwa.com.
;; AUTHORITY RECORDS:
203.120.204.in-addr.arpa. 999999 NS sashimi.wwa.com.
203.120.204.in-addr.arpa. 172800 NS gagme.wwa.com.
203.120.204.in-addr.arpa. 172800 NS icm1.icp.net.
;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS:
sashimi.wwa.com. 172800 A 198.49.174.1
icm1.icp.net. 76774 A 192.94.207.66
;; Total query time: 3502 msec
;; FROM: Mars.mcs.com to SERVER: default -- 192.160.127.90
;; WHEN: Wed Jan 3 21:28:58 1996
;; MSG SIZE sent: 45 rcvd: 200
----
and:
----
bash$ date
Wed Jan 3 21:35:27 CST 1996
bash$ traceroute 204.120.203.40
traceroute to 204.120.203.40 (204.120.203.40), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 Loop/Core1:E0/1.mcs.net (192.160.127.110) 2.593 ms 1.642 ms 1.867 ms
2 MAE-chicago.wwa.net (198.32.140.15) 3.578 ms 4.04 ms 2.168 ms
3 dchi4.wwa.net (204.120.203.5) 4.996 ms 5.568 ms 5.2 ms
4 dchi6.wwa.net (204.120.203.7) 6.75 ms 5.188 ms 5.067 ms
5 south-chicago1.wwa.com (204.120.203.129) 11.276 ms 16.193 ms 15.217 ms
6 schi1-008.wwa.com (204.120.203.40) 261.948 ms 264.422 ms 266.254 ms
----
Yes, that's right... the machine from which he reported a MCS machine as having
a FASTER ping response was from inside the WWA network. The source workstation,
from those last ping response times, is also probably dialed in over an asynch
line... introducing enough error to really invalidate the results. But that is
actually besides the point.
This particular line of discussion is rather pointless... pings against single
servers within networks such as MCS or WWA are NOT indicative of overall network
performance or expected user response times.
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Geek Code at Finger:andy...@cluster.mcs.net <URL:http://www.mcs.net/~andydeck/>
Thomas A. Nawara
> >One of the things that hold me from moving to WWA is this ping statistics
> > [snip]
> > 01eg
> >
> My results are just a wee bit different;
>
> [snip]
i tried pinging mcs.com, wwa.com and synet.net from a neutral (school)
account:
boss> /etc/ping mcs.com
PING mcs.com: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=0. time=37. ms
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=1. time=23. ms
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=2. time=32. ms
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=3. time=12. ms
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=4. time=23. ms
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=5. time=15. ms
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=6. time=51. ms
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=7. time=30. ms
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=8. time=22. ms
64 bytes from 192.160.127.80: icmp_seq=9. time=23. ms
----mcs.com PING Statistics----
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 12/26/51
boss> /etc/ping wwa.com
PING wwa.com: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=2. time=125. ms
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=3. time=47. ms
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=4. time=121. ms
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=5. time=107. ms
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=6. time=63. ms
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=7. time=75. ms
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=8. time=136. ms
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=9. time=30. ms
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=10. time=46. ms
64 bytes from 198.49.174.1: icmp_seq=11. time=56. ms
----wwa.com PING Statistics----
12 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 16% packet loss
round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 30/80/136
boss> /etc/ping synet.net
PING synet.net: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=0. time=15. ms
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=1. time=22. ms
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=2. time=21. ms
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=3. time=8. ms
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=4. time=17. ms
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=5. time=17. ms
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=6. time=10. ms
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=7. time=8. ms
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=8. time=8. ms
64 bytes from 168.113.1.64: icmp_seq=9. time=16. ms
----synet.net PING Statistics----
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 8/14/22
[tom]
tom nawara
Oleg Ostrozhansky
Thomas A. Nawara <nir...@synet.net> wrote:
>
>i tried pinging mcs.com, wwa.com and synet.net from a neutral (school)
>account:
>
>
>boss> /etc/ping mcs.com
>----mcs.com PING Statistics----
>10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
>round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 12/26/51
>boss> /etc/ping wwa.com
>----wwa.com PING Statistics----
>12 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 16% packet loss
>round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 30/80/136
>boss> /etc/ping synet.net
>----synet.net PING Statistics----
>10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
>round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 8/14/22
I bet your school is connected to cic.net, as is synet.net, which
explains the fast times to synet.net. To reach WWA or MCS packets
have to go through several other networks. See traceroute.
Anyway, traces like yours are not really valid for comparison because
1) 10 packets is too few to draw any conclusions, and 2) you ran them
serially while the load on your machine and intermediate networks was
constantly changing. It could be that your school's link became
congested while you were pinging WWA. I ran my traces in background
at the same time, and made sure that the routes to WWA and MCS were
identical except for the last step, so the differences were only due
to WWA's and MCS' links.
David Vrona
: Hmmm...all of the above listed groups do have current articles in them;
: does this mean they're "not really there"? Are these just planted articles
: to fool people into thinking they're active newsgroups?
: How novel!
Hi Chuck,
It appears these particular clari groups are obsolete and we need to remove
them from our news server. In general, WWA ignores rmgroup messages and
removes groups a good amount of time after they have "dried up".
dave
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