They're planing to put a Borders in the old Goldblatt's in Uptown.
Jamie
| "Jamie_Eimermann" wrote:
|
| >They're planing to put a Borders in the old Goldblatt's in Uptown.
|
| A Borders has been rumored to be coming to for Uptown for the last 4
| or 5 years.
There's also supposed to be a Border's soon in Lincoln Village (where the
old theater building was at Lincoln and Jersey).
> Borders blows goats at the VFW post in Schaumburg on
> Tuesday evenings.
I dunno....for those of us only topically interested in books it's a
convenient retailer. Before the internet was used by John Q., I would
research a book I wanted place an order and wait to pick it up. Now I
research my book need, find the phone number of the store that has it in
stock, view my author and also page through other authors on the same
topic. More often than not, purchasing non-fiction, I walk out of the
store with two books. I'd say that's good for the industry.
And before we leap to the defense of the independent bookseller:
Amazon and eBay is what is doing those guys in. I spend ~$100/month on
books, and now rather than digging through the piles at Selected
Works, Bookleggers, and Aspidistra (RIP) - I either snag the new
copies at Amazon or the OOP stuff on eBay. Better selection, less
dusty, fewer cats involved :-)
The riff on less-knowledgeable salespeople also seems false - I
think there's a glut of English Lit grads looking for work, and so the
staff at Borders seems as informed at those at Barbara's or
Unabridged; and really, once you get into specialist non-fiction or
genre fiction, you seem to be on your own unless you can find a store
that specializes in the topic.
Emanuel
"Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car;
most people settle for the car." Chris Titus
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I usually wait for the movie to come out, and there are plenty of theaters
around.
> Better selection, less
> dusty, fewer cats involved :-)
ya, but I got a lot more dates cruisin WaCF than borders.
.max
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> epbr...@att.net wrote:
>
> > Better selection, less
> > dusty, fewer cats involved :-)
>
> ya, but I got a lot more dates cruisin WaCF than borders.
>
> .max
Aisle stalking?
It really worked?
Really? Where's the VFW?
> Yet another aspect is that consumers (not to be confused with book
> lovers) have become so spoiled that the following event takes place a
> dozen times per day in every major city: Joe Blow walks into a
> used-book store that he has never visited before. He says, "I'm
> looking for such-and-such a book by such-and-such an author." The
> proprietor or clerk says "Well, we might have that in stock, but I
> can't say for sure offhand; you're welcome to browse and see whether
> it's on the shelf." Joe proceeds to the section where his book might
> be, and he is immediately confounded by---horror of horrors!---hundreds
> of books that *are not in alphabetical order by author or title*! Oh,
> no! What's more, some of them might even be in stacks on the floor.
> And maybe the lighting isn't quite good enough to see all the titles
> right away. Maybe some of the books even have *dust* on them! Maybe
> some of them have even been shelved in the wrong section of the store!
He should have to search the entire inventory of the store? Come on
now. Even decent you-pull-it auto salvage yards have better organization.
Last time I was looking for a used book I went to one store after another
searching through semi-organized piles blew more than half a weekend
doing this with no success. What a waste of time.
> What do you do with someone like that? I know what I'd like to do.
One has to decide if they want the book to put in doing hours of searching
because a shop owner runs his bookstore worse than an off-in-weeds salvage
yard. But at least in those yards the grumpy old man running the place
knows he put the '63 falcon back behind those trees in 1974.
> We're constantly being told that the situation isn't all that bad, that
> more people are reading than ever before, etc. A year or two ago, The
> Oil & Car Gazette, a.k.a. The Atlantic Monthly, had a long article
> about how the bookstore chains and the net are a Good Thing for
> readers. I found parts of it moderately interesting, but overall it
> made me wanna ralph. It was just another expression of, as John D.
> MacDonald said, "Be happy! Vote! Consume! And don't forget to use
> your number."
Life changes old man. We aren't going back to some utopian mid 20th
century ideal ever again.
You know I hate Jewel and Dominicks. Interesting thing has happened in
just the last five years. There are now enough independents so that I
never have to step foot in one of the Doms or Jewels. The independents
have found the right price point/quality to be able to make a profit. I
shop with them. I can see neighborhoods that have a middle class
citizenry coming back around to a local "corner" butcher/baker.
> than an off-in-weeds salvage
> yard. But at least in those yards the grumpy old man running the place
> knows he put the '63 falcon back behind those trees in 1974.
Do you know where there's a whole Falcon somewhere?
> And the continuing disappearance of physical stores that are replaced
> by web sites or ebaY listings is regrettable, to say the least.
The books still have to be stored somewhere. Used to be a storefront
could be had cheap on a major city thoroughfare. Now many landlords need
to get top dollar per sq. foot. If I was gonna store books, sorta like
needing studio space....I ain't gonna pay 18.00 per square foot.
It's in a PO box:
Schaumburg, VFW Post 2202, PO Box 681253, Schaumburg, IL 60168
They meet in some tavern somewhere.
No. you posted that it's expected of the customer to search through
random piles of items for sale to find what he wants to buy because
obviously it's too much of a bother for people who own/run the store
to sort through it.
>> Last time I was looking for a used book I went to one store after another
>> searching through semi-organized piles blew more than half a weekend
>> doing this with no success. What a waste of time.
> Well, then you're an idiot. If you were looking for a specific used or
> OP book that you needed right away, you would have done better to check
> abebooks.com and either order it there or phone a dealer who (according
> to that search engine) had it in stock.
So I am idiot for doing what you just posted was the proper way to go book
shopping. And put your thinking cap on, this was BEFORE online bookstores.
Calling places that deal in used materials often yields the response:
"Well, we might have that in stock, but I can't say for sure offhand;
you're welcome to browse and see whether it's on the shelf."
> Or if you wanted to buy it
> locally and in person, you should have phoned a series of local dealers
> and asked each of them to check the shelves and tell you whether the
> book was there.
So they could tell me to come in and dig through the pile in the corner?
Just like you said was the real way to shop for books in your previous
post?
> A dealer should be able to find a specific book in his
> own stock (or find that it's not in stock) much faster than a customer
> can. If he can't, then fine, don't patronize that store, and he'll
> probably be glad not to see you again too.
Nice 180 degree turn around.
Let me quote you:
-> Joe Blow walks into a
-> used-book store that he has never visited before. He says, "I'm
-> looking for such-and-such a book by such-and-such an author." The
-> proprietor or clerk says "Well, we might have that in stock, but I
-> can't say for sure offhand; you're welcome to browse and see whether
-> it's on the shelf."
Then you rant about customers being too lazy to go through:
-> hundreds
-> of books that *are not in alphabetical order by author or title*! Oh,
-> no! What's more, some of them might even be in stacks on the floor.
-> And maybe the lighting isn't quite good enough to see all the titles
-> right away. Maybe some of the books even have *dust* on them! Maybe
-> some of them have even been shelved in the wrong section of the store!
So which is it, are they helpful clerks who, like the grumpy old men
that run back-in-weeds salvage yards who can tell a customer EXACTLY
what is in stock and where it is located despite it looking like a
mess or just tell the customer to go and search for it?
Just using a random example. There used to be a falcon wagon on an empty
fenced in lot on 31st street. Might still be there. There also could be
one tucked in the weeds and trees out at brunos used auto parts and
scrap metal in harvey. A-reliable's U-pull-it gets a falcon in from
time to time. They leave old cars like that in stock for longer periods
of time because they know that if left long enough they'll end up selling
every useful part on them.
> You know I hate Jewel and Dominicks. Interesting thing has happened in
> just the last five years. There are now enough independents so that I
> never have to step foot in one of the Doms or Jewels. The independents
> have found the right price point/quality to be able to make a profit. I
> shop with them. I can see neighborhoods that have a middle class
> citizenry coming back around to a local "corner" butcher/baker.
I go out of my way to shop at independent grocers and find ways to work
them into other trips. Far less expensive than the dominicks, jewel,
eagle, or their 'discount' clones and customers don't have to be subject
to their tracking or membership extortion. Of course each
one has it's own ethnic speciality, so they aren't for the average north
suburban soccer mom.
> You're still either trolling, or an idiot, or both.
You are projecting.
> I pointed out that
> there is a difference between (a) searching for a specific book and
> wanting to buy it right away, at maximum convenience and possibly
> regardless of cost; and (b) going to a book store to browse, look at
> books, and maybe buy some of them, possibly with nothing specific in
> mind.
What you posted was a rant about people who don't want to search through
the messy inventories of certain establishments and your faulting of them
for not wanting to do this and taking their business elsewhere. They are
quite correct in doing so.
Yep, I loathe Dominick's and "The Jewels'", so]s I goes to Treasure
Island (prices are *lower* there, and no friggin' affinity cards to
get a "sale" price). And while it's nice to be able to order stuff
from amazon.com or go to Borders for music and books I still try to
buy as much as I can from Unabridged Books, Barbara's, Evil Clown
Records, The Record Exhange, and Reckless Records...etcetera.
We are lucky enough to live in a city where we have lots 'o choices.
I grew up in a cornfield in west - central Illinois and I loved to
read, listen to classical music, etc. when I was a kid (late 60's -
early 70's), and believe me, there were *no* choices - or even *a*
choice to be very much culturally connected. Thank gawd I had some
cool young teachers who gave me their copies of _Saturday Review_,
_New York Magazine_, _Harpers_, and the like. And we had a decent
little Carnegie Library in the county seat. But it was *really*
isolating.
Now some kid in the in the middle of cornfield can have access to the
whole world - and a place like amazon.com is a fuckin' gawdsend to
people like that. Us big city folks forget that.
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Greg
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:27:17 -0500, Kenji <ke...@rcnchicago.com>
> wrote:
> >I dunno....for those of us only topically interested in books it's a
> >convenient retailer. Before the internet was used by John Q., I would
> >research a book I wanted place an order and wait to pick it up. Now I
> >research my book need, find the phone number of the store that has it in
> >stock, view my author and also page through other authors on the same
> >topic. More often than not, purchasing non-fiction, I walk out of the
> >store with two books. I'd say that's good for the industry.
>
> And before we leap to the defense of the independent bookseller:
> Amazon and eBay is what is doing those guys in. I spend ~$100/month on
> books, and now rather than digging through the piles at Selected
> Works, Bookleggers, and Aspidistra (RIP) - I either snag the new
> copies at Amazon or the OOP stuff on eBay. Better selection, less
> dusty, fewer cats involved :-)
Lol...Aspidistra - GAWD! Those slobs that worked there not only had
b.o. and lousy grooming, but they were RUDE to *everybody*. They'd
make nasty cracks about *every* customer after said customer left the
store. No luv lost there when they closed....
I still like diggin' through piles, though -- and the piles at
Bookworks (3444 N. Clark) are just about the cleanest in town....
> The riff on less-knowledgeable salespeople also seems false - I
> think there's a glut of English Lit grads looking for work, and so the
> staff at Borders seems as informed at those at Barbara's or
> Unabridged; and really, once you get into specialist non-fiction or
> genre fiction, you seem to be on your own unless you can find a store
> that specializes in the topic.
I know a lot of the staff at Unabridged, and they are *very*
knowledgable; some of them have different subject interests, so just
ask when you go in, and they'll gladly help you. Some of their staff
have gone on to work for big publishers.
BTW, Unabridged pays their staff the highest wages of any bookstore in
the country. That's why they have talented worker bees with good
morale.
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Greg
Wonder what that'll do for Shake, Rattle, and Roll (right by the Green
Mill)? Bet they'll see an increase in bizness....
Getting a Borders in there can only help the neighborhood.
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Greg
> epbr...@att.net wrote:
>
> > Better selection, less
> > dusty, fewer cats involved :-)
>
> ya, but I got a lot more dates cruisin WaCF than borders.
You're a "guy - type gal", eh?
If you are a guy there are *lots* of "bookstores" where you can get "dates"....
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Greg
Do they have a '65 or '66 Sport Fury hardtop with 383, Torqueflite,
and factory A/C, I wonder....????
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Greg a Chrysler 300 or even a Dodge Monaco of that vintage will work,
too....
>I know a lot of the staff at Unabridged, and they are *very*
>knowledgable; some of them have different subject interests, so just
>ask when you go in, and they'll gladly help you. Some of their staff
>have gone on to work for big publishers.
The Unabridged folks are quite nice. Several times I've looked up a book
on one of the big guys' websites, printed out the ISBN, and asked
Unabridged to get it. Book arrives in a few days, usually costing no
more. Any local bookstore worth their salt would do the same, I'm
certain.
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>> What you posted was a rant about people who don't want to search through
>> the messy inventories of certain establishments and your faulting of them
>> for not wanting to do this and taking their business elsewhere. They are
>> quite correct in doing so.
> That was only part of what the bigger rant was about. And I see that
> you've missed the point, which is that many used-book stores have been
> that way, basically forever. It goes with the territory, and book
> hunters expect to see that often. I see no difference, in principle,
> between a customer objecting to that and a customer objecting that
> there isn't a parking space for his SUV within 20 feet of the front
> door. In either case the customer is merely a clueless consumer, and
> Borders and the other corporate stores will be happy to cater to his
> needs.
So now you are back at blaming the customer for not enjoying spending
hours sifting through an unsorted inventory. That a customer who has
more to do in his life than sort through a disorganized mess for a
book is some sort of moron. All you are doing is insulting a customer
for what is really a lacking of 'many used-book stores'. So go ahead
and blame the customer for them going out of business. Maybe instead
of sitting on his ass at the register telling people to go search for
the book he could have sorted a 100 books a day and made the store
useful to people who don't have the whole day to spend in the
establishment and maybe get enough customers to stay in business.
One used bookstore I visited the owner got pissed off about where I
parked the bicycle. I left. He's out of business, wonder why?
> Do they have a '65 or '66 Sport Fury hardtop with 383, Torqueflite,
> and factory A/C, I wonder....????
Like matt black's ideal bookstores, there is only one way to find out at
brunos. Go there and hack your way through the weeds, trees, and climb over
cars and trucks and look where bruno says the furys are. He won't know
what's in em or what year. That is if he's still alive.
Good for you.
You mean you've lost.
Jamie
> Kenji <ke...@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
>
> > You know I hate Jewel and Dominicks. Interesting thing has happened in
> > just the last five years. There are now enough independents so that I
> > never have to step foot in one of the Doms or Jewels. The independents
> > have found the right price point/quality to be able to make a profit. I
> > shop with them. I can see neighborhoods that have a middle class
> > citizenry coming back around to a local "corner" butcher/baker.
>
> Where are you shoppin @ round here? I usually end up at Jewel at Foster
> & Pulaski or the one @ 6 corners, but I loathe both places.
Family Fruit Market on Cicero= milk, lunchmeat, condiments, fruits/vegs.
Tony's, where the Butera was on Elston, across from the Farmer's Market
Landscaping plant place....great all around grocer. This one is my FIL's
favorite, and he throws nickels around like manhole covers(depression
raised).
Butera, aprx. Narragansset and Nagel...another great all around
grocer...good buy and quality on meats.
Gene's Sausage shop, Laramie and Addison.
Wally's Deli...big ass Polish deli, but has great lunchmeat counter and
other grocery stuff at great prices....is on Irving at Narraganset.
The Fish Guy for great quality seafood and fishes. On Elston North of
Montrose.
Fuck Jewel, Fuck Dominicks for regular weekly/all aound shopping. Over
here in Pilsen, I will go to the Dominicks at 12th and Canal for their
lunches in the hot food area. Good quality food stuff for pretty good
prices. It took me a while to get over that I was eating at a grocery
store, but I usually go alone and read a mag or a paper with lunch.
Don't you just call it getting head?
> Kenji <ke...@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
>
> > Family Fruit Market on Cicero= milk, lunchmeat, condiments, fruits/vegs.
>
> Okay, I've seen this place but never gone in. Good produce? Problem
> with Jewel at Pulaski & Foster, and most Cub foods is really shitty
> produce.
Yeah, good produce. Be picky about what you select though. Check out
their lunchmeat counter, same name brands at 1/2 the cost of
Jewel/Dominicks. At last count they had seven different kinds of olives
in the deli. Shy away from the octopus/seafood "salads"...I don't think
they turn it around enough. Good fresh mozzarella balls in the float
tank. They sell alot of Ashland sausage/meat products..pretty good
stuff. Do not buy the "fresh" breakfast sausage above the bacon....it
taste's like ass. The cheap-ass bacon (1.69 per pound) in the package is
pretty good. They also carry D'Amato's, Calabrese, Turano's, and
Gonnella breads. Check out the dried spices area...good selection. 2%
milk is usually under 2.00/gallon The girls up front sometimes like to
flirt too, which is a bonus. My favorite is Olga, the shorter, darker
Mexican honey, who makes great eye contact, sometimes she flaunts lotta
cleavage, she works it many times. I generally skip the parking lot
that's right in front and park in their new lot, catty corner, just
North, on the East side of the street. I really hate wrangling with 85
year old men, and women who wait in the street for parking in front.
>
> > Butera, aprx. Narragansset and Nagel...another great all around
> > grocer...good buy and quality on meats.
>
> I've tried shopping at Happy Foods up on Touhy and Central, and that
> place was kinda shitty. That experience turned me away from checking
> out Butera since they're both certified grocers. Happy Foods had nasty
> meat, and was missing some common items I usually get (I forget what
> exactly).
I find that different certifieds vary greatly. Same thing with
Centrellas. When Butera's meats are on sale go for it.
>
> I'll check those other places out next week when I go shoppin. I've
> been trying to find a way out of the Jewel/Dominicks hell for a while,
> since our bills are way too damn high.
Speaking of meats, this past Xmas I was at a party and talked at length
with a guy who is a "farmer". At any one time he has about 2000 head of
cattle...fattening them up for market out West of Aurora. Very
interesting man. I figured he'd pick out his meat from his herd and
freeze it but no. He buys his meat frozen at Sam's Club. He says Sam's
has THE best quality red meats because their buyers shop quality first,
then price. Whereas especially Jewel, shops price first, then quality.
Which explains the really poor quality red meat I have purchased at
Jewel's in the past years. I have vowed to never ever buy a piece of red
meat or seafood/fish from them ever again.
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> [CAUTION! Heterosexual, Bi - racial ADULT content!]:
>
> http://www.allrealgirls.com/~avs/gh/index.html
What are you, a Kenji puppet account?
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Not many glory holes in the city proper. FYI...you can slip two in a
room in some but you need to go to the suburbs for that kind of action.
Wouldn't my puppet appear as a fundamentalist christian?
Sorta like Big Benz, being the polar opposite of a non-affluent, white,
city dwelling guy?
Agree with your post in substance, but here you should probably have added
"while he's listening to some whining pedant on NPR bemoan the proliferation
of chain bookshops with cafes in them."
I don't see how that would have added anything to a Matt Black (c)
post really ... But Matt Black (R), whose way the hell too long post
your response induced me to scan, seems to have accidentally made a
surprisingly good point about the Atlantic Monthly. Not an issue of
this completely degenerated magazine comes out nowadays without some
vacuous shilling essay with the general intellectual level of a
conservative pundit. Man even I am smarter than these dumb fucks.
T Bone's subscription shall lapse.
> Man even I am smarter than these dumb fucks.
But can you write?
> > > http://www.allrealgirls.com/~avs/gh/index.html
> >
> > What are you, a Kenji puppet account?
>
> Wouldn't my puppet appear as a fundamentalist christian?
>
> Sorta like Big Benz, being the polar opposite of a non-affluent, white,
> city dwelling guy?
Good point.
I guess one would have no need to hide from activity already
participated in onymously.
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> Dag, girl, you jivin'. Lost to a "Brent P"? How is that possible?
Ask around.
Reread the thread. You've given up. All you can offer now if feeble
attempts at wit to try to distract our attention.
Jamie
I'm getting too old (or too busy) for the hunt, I guess. Bookworks
I don't mind, especially since they always seem to have some "Modern
Library" editions, which I collect. Bookleggers, near Broadway and
Wellington is another place I like. Selected Works (just south of
Addison on Broadway) is my desperation stop, and rarely even that.
>I know a lot of the staff at Unabridged, and they are *very*
>knowledgable; some of them have different subject interests, so just
>ask when you go in, and they'll gladly help you. Some of their staff
>have gone on to work for big publishers.
>
>BTW, Unabridged pays their staff the highest wages of any bookstore in
>the country. That's why they have talented worker bees with good
>morale.
Nice to hear. Mostly, I'm buying car books nowadays, and the
selection in town isn't too great, especially if you're looking for
something out of print.
Emanuel
"Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car;
most people settle for the car." Chris Titus
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> [CAUTION! Heterosexual, Bi - racial ADULT content!]:
>
> http://www.allrealgirls.com/~avs/gh/eeewww.htm
So THAT's what you call 'em! Heck, we had one on the Seawolf, between
the two "heads" in the aft berthing "room". Really, 100% no foolie
trooth.
.max
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> Agree with your post in substance, but here you should probably have
> added "while he's listening to some whining pedant on NPR bemoan the
> proliferation of chain bookshops with cafes in them."
I like my sippie cup of low fat no foam double half-caf latte whilst
cruisin' the stacks. I go there and suck strong Valois Blend after my
midnite rotation ends.
Everything i know about this stuff: the original Borders was next to the
UofM campus in Ann Arbor. Around the corner was a great place to eat
called Shahrahar (he's the guy that kept Sheherazade on a leash, I
thimk). It (Borders, not Sharahar) was bought out by -- get this --
KMART, (i'm pritty sure). Their sekrit was a _really_ good inventory
control system, and the latte came well after the buyout. A couple
blocks away from the original Borders is a place called Zingerman's, a
most excellent NY style deli, and a good place to read one's Borders'
scores.
The homogenization dynamic on stack content should be intuitable to
youse city folk; to those of us in the cultural wasteland of suburbia
Borders is a Blessing. (They even have Folk Singers on thursday nights!)
Some authors i know - who've benefitted from chain dynamics - are not
entirely comfortable with the impedance and volumetric characteristics
said stores impose on the market.
> gregor...@msn.com (Gregory Morrow) wrote:
>
> > [CAUTION! Heterosexual, Bi - racial ADULT content!]:
> >
> > http://www.allrealgirls.com/~avs/gh/eeewww.htm
>
> So THAT's what you call 'em! Heck, we had one on the Seawolf, between
> the two "heads" in the aft berthing "room". Really, 100% no foolie
> trooth.
>
> .max
Did ya ever *use* it?
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, max wrote:
> gregor...@msn.com (Gregory Morrow) wrote:
>
> > [CAUTION! Heterosexual, Bi - racial ADULT content!]:
> >
> > http://www.allrealgirls.com/~avs/gh/eeewww.htm
>
> So THAT's what you call 'em! Heck, we had one on the Seawolf, between
> the two "heads" in the aft berthing "room". Really, 100% no foolie
> trooth.
.max honey,
is there something you want to tell me???
> Did ya ever *use* it?
Almost every day!
Rilly, we had one. It was a reach-thru so the guy in one stall could
open the seawoter flushie valve, which for reasons known only to Mare
Island Naval Shipyard was located in the wrong damned stall.
Made for lots of fun: if the guy on one side was "concentrating" -- on
his business or human anatomical texts -- just reach thru and give his
thigh a quick squeeze...
gee, it's been a ... long time ... since i thought of that... <sniff>
.max
Geez, you poepel are sick pervrets.
> Made for lots of fun: if the guy on one side was "concentrating" -- on
> his business or human anatomical texts -- just reach thru and give his
> thigh a quick squeeze...
I understand. I can't have anyone in the room when I'm pinching a loaf,
much less touching me. Back in HS the old swim team locker rooms had six
toilets in a row with no stalls. You got used to sitting with other guys
doing your biz, but as I look back on that it was weird. For those boys
at Proviso East who had to take gym because they weren't on any sports
teams, when it came to swimming they had to swim nude for gym. It was
real easy to pick out the gay boys. Must have been a delight for them.
I think you've confused 'has a different view than Matt Black' with trolling.
Lincoln Square is around Western and Lincoln North, right? I don't
know how far 'near' is for you, but you can go down Western to
Clybourn, and down to Clybourn & Webster where there's a Barnes &
Noble. Doesn't take more than 10 minutes.
>teams, when it came to swimming they had to swim nude for gym. It was
>real easy to pick out the gay boys. Must have been a delight for them.
Scrawny bunch like y'all? As if!
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Eric Holeman eholatenteractcom Chicago Illinois USA
> In article <kenji-AE2621....@news-central.giganews.com>,
> Kenji <ke...@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
>
> >teams, when it came to swimming they had to swim nude for gym. It was
> >real easy to pick out the gay boys. Must have been a delight for them.
>
> Scrawny bunch like y'all? As if!
I would assume some of the kids enjoyed other skinny kids.
We all don't want bears.
Which reminds me, it's almost that time of year to wax my nips.