what's a "repass"?
Michael Dix
>
> In the context of a death/funeral arrangement notice, what is a "repass"?
>
> The notice has the following info:
>
> VISITATION: Friday, June 6, 2003
> location of funeral home
> FUNERAL SERVICES: Saturday, June 7th
>
> WAKE: 9:30 a.m. - 10:30 a.m.
>
> SERVICE: 10:30 a.m. - 12:00 noon
> location of church
>
> REPASS: "Will be at the Church"
>
> Also, what's the difference between the "visitation" and the "wake"?
Are these Protestants? I'm unfamiliar with their exotic burial customs.
I'm guessing the repass is the after-funeral lunch (i.e repast).
John Hines
>
>In the context of a death/funeral arrangement notice, what is a "repass"?
A light food service, after the funeral.
Dimpled Chad
> Are these Protestants? I'm unfamiliar with their exotic burial customs.
>
> I'm guessing the repass is the after-funeral lunch (i.e repast).
Nope. Protestants don't do wakes, really. If I understand correctly, its
predominantly a Roman Catholic custom.
From what I understand, a wake and a visitation are actually quite similar,
but typically when they are differentiated (and they aren't always) then the
latter (visitation) deals with a familial visit, sometimes with the deceased
body present, in a more informal gathering, typically at their home; and the
former (a wake) is a more formal ritualized gathering immediately preceding
the funeral/memorial service, often to view or pay respects to the deceased
body and family.
That seems to be the case here, but I could be wrong..
FWIW:
From OED:
Wake
3. The watching (esp. by night) of relatives and friends beside the body
of a dead person from death to burial, or during a part of that time; the
drinking, feasting, and other observances incidental to this. Now chiefly
Anglo-Irish or with reference to Irish custom. Also applied to similar
funeral customs in other times or among non-Christian peoples.
Visitation:
d. A gathering at the home of a deceased person before the funeral takes
place; a wake. U.S.
Note that from these definitions, the visitation usually is at the home, and
the wake is often at the place of service (church often, but now a days at a
funeral home too). Different churches might use these terms interchangably.
Hope that helps.
Chad
(we don't do repass either, so I'm afraid Barb I can't help you out much
there)
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>
>In the context of a death/funeral arrangement notice, what is a "repass"?
>
>Also, what's the difference between the "visitation" and the "wake"?
>
Visitation is when people can stop by and visit the deceased,
usually any time the funeral home is open and before the body is
buried or otherwise removed.
The wake is that period of visitation when the family of the
deceased is present.
Repass is the food served after the funeral, a corruption of
"repast" (Fr.)
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Dimpled Chad
> the church is an "MB" church; Methodist Baptist?
Could be either Missionary Baptist or Mennonite Brethren, probably the former
(given this is Chicago, right).
FWIW, the term 'wake' is rarely used in the majority of protestant churches,
but visitation is much more commonly used. I don't know much about the
pecularities of the Missionary Baptist liturgies...
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Michael Dix
>
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Michael Dix wrote:
> > Are these Protestants? I'm unfamiliar with their exotic burial customs.
> >
> > I'm guessing the repass is the after-funeral lunch (i.e repast).
>
> the church is an "MB" church; Methodist Baptist?
Missionary Baptist - these must be black people.
That along with the C.O.G.I.C. are the biggest black denominations I
know of.
> Ok, could be a typo for repast... I'll buy that.
> I've been fortunate not to have to go to many funerals or wakes of late,
> so I thought maybe I had missed something "new" in the funeral process.
No procession to the cemetery?
When great-grandma died, the wake (two nights) was at Casey-Laskowski.
I forget the church, but the burial was at St. Joseph's. The after
funeral lunch was at the place across from Quasthoff's. (I forget
the name, but it was owned by some politician). Grandma had saved
up money expressly for this lunch.
pete in chicago
Dimpled Chad wrote:
> From what I understand, a wake and a visitation are actually quite similar,
> but typically when they are differentiated (and they aren't always) then the
> latter (visitation) deals with a familial visit, sometimes with the deceased
> body present, in a more informal gathering, typically at their home; and the
> former (a wake) is a more formal ritualized gathering immediately preceding
> the funeral/memorial service, often to view or pay respects to the deceased
> body and family...
i think it might be just the opposite...i can remember in the early 50's when
my grandfather died - his casket was set in the living room for two days and
all of my aunts stayed A-WAKE and stood vigil with the rest of the family coming
in during the daylight hours (with lots of food) and then having a visitation at
the funeral home for another two days (which they made into a bowling alley a
couple years later), and then finally the funeral...needless to say - Gramps was
pretty ripe by the time he finally hit the ground
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Dimpled Chad
Yup. That's why I mentioned that the terms are often not differentiated, and
that churches who use them sometimes use the terms interchangably. Actually,
you've got the etymology of the term down, I think. It originally referred to
a vigil over the dead, rather than a time to visit with the family or
the deceased. Since we do less of that these days, the term has morphed into
something quite like 'visitation'.
Emmanuel Brown's post on the subject was very good, and probably is in line
with the current use. Again, we mainline protestants don't use them much...
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John Rappe
>
> Nope. Protestants don't do wakes, really. If I understand correctly, its
> predominantly a Roman Catholic custom.
Never heard of that before. Lutherans at least do wakes, no different
from Catholics.
Dimpled Chad
Yeah? Hmm, maybe there's more diversity in the Lutherans than I'm aware of.
My ELCA pastor friends don't call them wakes. *shrug* And its not common
practice in the PCUSA, the UCC, or the Methodists...
Though, I suspect they might be called wakes in the Episcopalian churches.
All I really can claim expert knowledge of, though, is the PCUSA. Outside of
that, I very well may be mistaken..
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Gregory Morrow
Dimpled Chad wrote:
> On 05 Jun 2003, John Rappe opined:
>
> > Dimpled Chad wrote:
> >>
> >> Nope. Protestants don't do wakes, really. If I understand correctly,
its
> >> predominantly a Roman Catholic custom.
> >
> > Never heard of that before. Lutherans at least do wakes, no different
> > from Catholics.
>
> Yeah? Hmm, maybe there's more diversity in the Lutherans than I'm aware
of.
> My ELCA pastor friends don't call them wakes. *shrug* And its not common
> practice in the PCUSA, the UCC, or the Methodists...
I'm Methodist and we never did wakes. It was (and still is) "visitation" at
the funeral home.....
After the funeral we would have "repass" at the deceased's home or in the
church basement...you never saw so many cakes and pies in yer life!
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Dimpled Chad
>
> I'm Methodist and we never did wakes. It was (and still is)
> "visitation" at the funeral home.....
Right, that's what we presbyterians call it, and the same with most UCCers
I'm familiar with. (I've already mentioned that my ELCA pastor friends also
call it a visitation, by and large).
Some of it, I'm sure, is semantics, but part of it might also be theological,
depending on what one thinks a wake (in its vigil form) is for. Much, also,
is traditional. Those with roots in reformed protestantism have more
divergent liturgical styles than their lutheran, episcopalian, and other
protestant siblings.
>
> After the funeral we would have "repass" at the deceased's home or in
> the church basement...you never saw so many cakes and pies in yer life!
This one is murkier, though, since I'm just not sure what they are called in
my tradition. We've got them, and when I help order funeral or memorial
services we call them something plain, like brunch. I know exactly what you
mean, though, with the deserts...
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Gregory Morrow
Dimpled Chad wrote:
> On 05 Jun 2003, Gregory Morrow opined:
>
> >
> > I'm Methodist and we never did wakes. It was (and still is)
> > "visitation" at the funeral home.....
>
> Right, that's what we presbyterians call it, and the same with most UCCers
> I'm familiar with. (I've already mentioned that my ELCA pastor friends
also
> call it a visitation, by and large).
>
> Some of it, I'm sure, is semantics, but part of it might also be
theological,
> depending on what one thinks a wake (in its vigil form) is for. Much,
also,
> is traditional. Those with roots in reformed protestantism have more
> divergent liturgical styles than their lutheran, episcopalian, and other
> protestant siblings.
>
> >
> > After the funeral we would have "repass" at the deceased's home or in
> > the church basement...you never saw so many cakes and pies in yer life!
>
> This one is murkier, though, since I'm just not sure what they are called
in
> my tradition. We've got them, and when I help order funeral or memorial
> services we call them something plain, like brunch. I know exactly what
you
> mean, though, with the deserts...
I've never heard the term "repass"...I guess we just called it "having
people over after the funeral"....
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tert in seattle
>I've never heard the term "repass"...I guess we just called it "having
>people over after the funeral"....
yep, just like Presbyterians
Lutherans ... ELCA Lutherans at least, seem to be more high church
than the other Protestant denominations, save Episcopalians (God's
Frozen People).
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Dimpled Chad
> Lutherans ... ELCA Lutherans at least, seem to be more high church
> than the other Protestant denominations, save Episcopalians (God's
> Frozen People).
>
It may well have to do with high church/low church liturgics...
Good point.
Michael Dix
>
> I've never heard the term "repass"...I guess we just called it "having
> people over after the funeral"....
funeral lunch
John Rappe
>
> I've never heard the term "repass"...I guess we just called it "having
> people over after the funeral"....
We call it "lunch".
John Rappe
>
> Yeah? Hmm, maybe there's more diversity in the Lutherans than I'm aware of.
> My ELCA pastor friends don't call them wakes. *shrug* And its not common
> practice in the PCUSA, the UCC, or the Methodists...
I don't know, maybe it's not the technical term. Seems to be what every-
one calls it. My Mom's side of the family is Catholic; my Dad's is
Lutheran. In practice they seem pretty much identical, except for the
service.
kenji
wrote:
Free lunch.
I'm going to one tomorrow.
Hope it's not the standard roast beef and baked chicken entrees.
John Rappe
>
> Hope it's not the standard roast beef and baked chicken entrees.
When my grandmother died, my mom and my aunts had the lunch at a
Polish place, so the food would be good. But somehow the message
didn't get communicated, and we got the Standard Funeral Lunch:
roast beef and baked chicken.
Dimpled Chad
> In practice they seem pretty much identical, except for the
> service.
>
>
Sounds right to me, John.
Thanks,
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pete in chicago
John Rappe wrote:
roast beef and baked chicken at a Polish restaurant?
that's a sin.
Sawa's Old Warsaw in Broadview - Cermak and 17th...the only place for a
funeral lunch...or the New Warsaw on 63rd
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unless you're on the North side, in which case it's Przybylo's White
Eagle...
kenji
wrote:
or the Red Apple over there by Devon and Milwaukee
tert in seattle
the Red Apple SUCKS
kenji
there's two of them.
and....name a Polish place that is really wonderful?
they all have their drawbacks. It's Polish food man.
Michael Dix
kenji
Michael Dix <lo...@sig.please.because.this.is.invalid> wrote:
this guy was Jewish, so hopefully it won't be chicago style polish food.
tert in seattle
I always liked the Orbit. And of course the Busy Bee before they
closed up. Scrumptious.
Michael Dix
kenji
Michael Dix <lo...@sig.please.because.this.is.invalid> wrote:
His wife is catholic.
Jim Polaski
Emanuel Brown <epbr...@att.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:56:03 -0500, Barb Grajewski <barb...@uic.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >In the context of a death/funeral arrangement notice, what is a "repass"?
> >
> >Also, what's the difference between the "visitation" and the "wake"?
> >
> Visitation is when people can stop by and visit the deceased,
> usually any time the funeral home is open and before the body is
> buried or otherwise removed.
> The wake is that period of visitation when the family of the
> deceased is present.
> Repass is the food served after the funeral, a corruption of
> "repast" (Fr.)
> Emanuel
Maybe it was a typo and should have been "repast".
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John Rappe
>
> the Red Apple SUCKS
>
tert retreats into his drivel shell
tert in seattle
it's gross in here
John Hines
>kenji wrote:
>>
>> In article <3EE0CD21...@sig.please.because.this.is.invalid>,
>> Michael Dix <lo...@sig.please.because.this.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > kenji wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In article <bbq1jn$4e5$2...@e250.ripco.com>, John Rappe <jra...@gmx.net>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I've never heard the term "repass"...I guess we just called it "having
>> > > > > people over after the funeral"....
>> > > >
>> > > > We call it "lunch".
>> > >
>> > > Free lunch.
>> > >
>> > > I'm going to one tomorrow.
>> > >
>> > > Hope it's not the standard roast beef and baked chicken entrees.
>> >
>> > and kielbasa and mostaccioli!
>>
>> this guy was Jewish, so hopefully it won't be chicago style polish food.
>
>Is it a funeral or a monument unveiling?
>
>They usually get Jews in the ground ASAP.
Jews don't do visitation, they "sit shiva" which is pretty much the
same, except as you point out, the corpse is in the ground.
John Hines
Which explains things a bit.
The wake would be when the family priest shows up for visitation, and
says a few prayers.
Kinda a light weight service, for those who don't want to go the whole
Funeral-Cematary thing.
The visitation is more informal, the whole family may not be there the
whole time, but usually somone is there.
Michael Dix
smr
> where's shawn when you need him?
He's right here, nursing an absolute motherfucker of a hangover.
Fuckin' CD release parties...
For good north Slavic food, I just walk down to Mabenka's on Cicero.
Mostly Lugan, but they do Polak pretty good, too. Same shit anyways.
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pete in chicago
> pete in chicago wrote...
> > where's shawn when you need him?
>
> He's right here, nursing an absolute motherfucker of a hangover.
> Fuckin' CD release parties...
>
> For good north Slavic food, I just walk down to Mabenka's on Cicero.
> Mostly Lugan, but they do Polak pretty good, too. Same shit anyways.
>
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