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Mark Anderson
May 24, 2013, 2:46:09 PM5/24/13
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I'm kind of late this year but finally hit Gesethemane for veggie
seedlings. Over the years all the north side nurseries have gone to
shit leaving Gesethemane the only decent place left for seedlings. I
had wondered when they would realize this and raise prices. It was this
year. The tomato 4 packs are now 2 packs for the same price. Ditto
habeneros and eggplants. Everything twice as much and less selection --
mostly generic crap that appeals to blue haired ladies and soon to be
blue haired ladies who think pansies are pretty and have no idea or care
what anything should cost.
What really bummed me out was Cleome. Gesethemane used to sell it in 6
packs. Cleome is a plant that grows huge so a couple of six packs can
cover a lot of area. I use them to attract bees to the tomatoes. This
year they had Cleome but singles in 6" pots making its cost more than an
order of magnitude higher per seedling.
Since I drove all the way out there and it's late in the season for
planting with no time to fool around I sucked it up and paid their
extorted prices (but not Cleome). Not next year however. There's a lot
of competition for price conscious gardeners in the suburbs or maybe
I'll break down and grow from seed.
Jesus must be spinning in his grave knowing that this outfit that
hijacked his garden's name is now screwing its customers.
seedlings. Over the years all the north side nurseries have gone to
shit leaving Gesethemane the only decent place left for seedlings. I
had wondered when they would realize this and raise prices. It was this
year. The tomato 4 packs are now 2 packs for the same price. Ditto
habeneros and eggplants. Everything twice as much and less selection --
mostly generic crap that appeals to blue haired ladies and soon to be
blue haired ladies who think pansies are pretty and have no idea or care
what anything should cost.
What really bummed me out was Cleome. Gesethemane used to sell it in 6
packs. Cleome is a plant that grows huge so a couple of six packs can
cover a lot of area. I use them to attract bees to the tomatoes. This
year they had Cleome but singles in 6" pots making its cost more than an
order of magnitude higher per seedling.
Since I drove all the way out there and it's late in the season for
planting with no time to fool around I sucked it up and paid their
extorted prices (but not Cleome). Not next year however. There's a lot
of competition for price conscious gardeners in the suburbs or maybe
I'll break down and grow from seed.
Jesus must be spinning in his grave knowing that this outfit that
hijacked his garden's name is now screwing its customers.
gpsman
May 24, 2013, 4:34:10 PM5/24/13
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On May 24, 2:46 pm, Mark Anderson <m...@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
> Over the years all the north side nurseries have gone to
> shit leaving Gesethemane the only decent place left for seedlings. I
> had wondered when they would realize this and raise prices. It was this
> year.
Single cause fallacy, and you offered no comparison other than elapsed
> Over the years all the north side nurseries have gone to
> shit leaving Gesethemane the only decent place left for seedlings. I
> had wondered when they would realize this and raise prices. It was this
> year.
time, which would be expected to result in increased prices.
> Jesus must be spinning in his grave knowing that this outfit that
> hijacked his garden's name is now screwing its customers.
doing business has increased.
“A good deal is a state of mind.” – Lee Iacocca
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- gpsman
max
May 24, 2013, 5:33:29 PM5/24/13
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In article <MPG.2c097f819...@news.speakeasy.net>,
you gonna do the Hanging Gardens of Lincoln Park thing? I really dug
the pics you put up a few years ago.
the pics you put up a few years ago.
max
May 24, 2013, 5:38:17 PM5/24/13
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In article <betatron-F3B400.16332924052013@[66.246.138.5]>,
hey... any of you black-thumbed bastards want a banana tree? smallish,
about a foot tall? Properly cared for, they will grow to about 5' and
will produce edible fruits.
All you have to know is you have to bring them in before the overnight
temps dip below 40, and you need to water them regularly.
about a foot tall? Properly cared for, they will grow to about 5' and
will produce edible fruits.
All you have to know is you have to bring them in before the overnight
temps dip below 40, and you need to water them regularly.
Mark Anderson
May 24, 2013, 6:19:40 PM5/24/13
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In article beta...@gmail.com says...
crappy -- hardly worth a single photo. Around 2006 when the vines were
the best I must have been mad (more so than now) with the amount of
containers I supported. I've cut containers way back due to watering
becoming a complete PITA and very not zen. If I get a drip irrigation
system working to some extent I may expand the vines next year. So like
the Cubs, it's already wait til next year for my garden.
> you gonna do the Hanging Gardens of Lincoln Park thing? I really dug
> the pics you put up a few years ago.
I never know how it will turn out. Last two years the vines have been
> the pics you put up a few years ago.
crappy -- hardly worth a single photo. Around 2006 when the vines were
the best I must have been mad (more so than now) with the amount of
containers I supported. I've cut containers way back due to watering
becoming a complete PITA and very not zen. If I get a drip irrigation
system working to some extent I may expand the vines next year. So like
the Cubs, it's already wait til next year for my garden.
Mark Anderson
May 24, 2013, 6:30:50 PM5/24/13
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In article gps...@driversmail.com says...
directly related to the retail price of their goods or services. The
retail price is set to the absolute maximum amount that people are
willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more. If costs go up
they cannot be absorbed by raising prices. Prices are a function of the
market.
> > Jesus must be spinning in his grave knowing that this outfit that
> > hijacked his garden's name is now screwing its customers.
>
> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> doing business has increased.
The yarn sold to the uninformed states that costs to business is
> > hijacked his garden's name is now screwing its customers.
>
> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> doing business has increased.
directly related to the retail price of their goods or services. The
retail price is set to the absolute maximum amount that people are
willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more. If costs go up
they cannot be absorbed by raising prices. Prices are a function of the
market.
smr
May 24, 2013, 9:23:36 PM5/24/13
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_have_ shown that they're pricing to what the market will bear.
You need to grow up a little.
--
smr
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Adam H. Kerman
May 24, 2013, 11:08:26 PM5/24/13
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I'm not a Christian, but the misspelling bugs me.
sticks
May 24, 2013, 11:12:06 PM5/24/13
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the right to set their prices as they choose. Their level of success or
failure needs to take into consideration the good of the community. Mr.
Anderson sets the prices around here.
.
.
.
it's for the kids. Oh, no sorry. That's nelson.
Cydrome Leader
May 24, 2013, 11:37:32 PM5/24/13
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barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:
> 1) Aldi has 2 gallon tomato plants for $7.99, many with green tomatoes on
> them already.
>
> 2) check out the Christy Webber gardening store on Grand Ave., east of
> Western.
>
> 3) Check out the gardening place on California Ave., south of Division,
> North of Augusta, just across from the Norwegian American Hospital's
> Community Garden.
#3 is Adam & Sons- a good place. I get stuff there.
> them already.
>
> 2) check out the Christy Webber gardening store on Grand Ave., east of
> Western.
>
> 3) Check out the gardening place on California Ave., south of Division,
> North of Augusta, just across from the Norwegian American Hospital's
> Community Garden.
#3 is Adam & Sons- a good place. I get stuff there.
Michele
May 25, 2013, 1:23:42 AM5/25/13
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clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices. Not
to mention the place has been increasing their prices higher and higher
for years.
Cheaper to drive out to greenhouses in the suburbs at this point.
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gpsman
May 25, 2013, 12:32:15 PM5/25/13
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On May 24, 6:30 pm, Mark Anderson <m...@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
> In article gps...@driversmail.com says...
>
> > > Jesus must be spinning in his grave knowing that this outfit that
> > > hijacked his garden's name is now screwing its customers.
>
> > Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> > doing business has increased.
>
> The yarn sold to the uninformed states that costs to business is
> directly related to the retail price of their goods or services. The
> retail price is set to the absolute maximum amount that people are
> willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more.
So... the retail price of everything never varies between retailers...
> In article gps...@driversmail.com says...
>
> > > Jesus must be spinning in his grave knowing that this outfit that
> > > hijacked his garden's name is now screwing its customers.
>
> > Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> > doing business has increased.
>
> The yarn sold to the uninformed states that costs to business is
> directly related to the retail price of their goods or services. The
> retail price is set to the absolute maximum amount that people are
> willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more.
I did not know that. From where did you obtain your MBA...?
> If costs go up
> they cannot be absorbed by raising prices. Prices are a function of the
> market.
couldn't increase freight rates as diesel prices skyrocketed, so
there's nothing to buy, anywhere.
Now it makes sense.
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- gpsman
gpsman
May 25, 2013, 12:35:33 PM5/25/13
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On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>
> > Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> > doing business has increased.
>
> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>
> > Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> > doing business has increased.
>
> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
What's the correlation?
> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
> Not
> to mention the place has been increasing their prices higher and higher
> for years.
since 19??...?
>
> Cheaper to drive out to greenhouses in the suburbs at this point.
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- gpsman
Mark Anderson
May 25, 2013, 1:11:29 PM5/25/13
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In article gps...@driversmail.com says...
externality that affects prices ... but completely irrelevant to my
point ... but your using the old Usenet feigning ignorance to change the
topic trick.
> I did not know that. From where did you obtain your MBA...?
I know MBAs dumb as a box of hammers after years working uninteresting
do nothing jobs that don't challenge their intellect who don't
understand this.
> > If costs go up
> > they cannot be absorbed by raising prices. Prices are a function of the
> > market.
>
> Oh. So there are no trucking companies left in the US because they
> couldn't increase freight rates as diesel prices skyrocketed, so
> there's nothing to buy, anywhere.
Nice strawman.
> > The yarn sold to the uninformed states that costs to business is
> > directly related to the retail price of their goods or services. The
> > retail price is set to the absolute maximum amount that people are
> > willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more.
>
> So... the retail price of everything never varies between retailers...
Quit reading your assumptions into my writing. Competition is an
> > directly related to the retail price of their goods or services. The
> > retail price is set to the absolute maximum amount that people are
> > willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more.
>
> So... the retail price of everything never varies between retailers...
externality that affects prices ... but completely irrelevant to my
point ... but your using the old Usenet feigning ignorance to change the
topic trick.
> I did not know that. From where did you obtain your MBA...?
do nothing jobs that don't challenge their intellect who don't
understand this.
> > If costs go up
> > they cannot be absorbed by raising prices. Prices are a function of the
> > market.
>
> Oh. So there are no trucking companies left in the US because they
> couldn't increase freight rates as diesel prices skyrocketed, so
> there's nothing to buy, anywhere.
Michele
May 25, 2013, 1:33:09 PM5/25/13
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On 5/25/2013 11:35 AM, gpsman wrote:
> On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>>
>>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
>>> doing business has increased.
>>
>> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
>> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>
> What's the correlation?
>
Their footfall has changed to a more affluent clientele, so they've
> On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>>
>>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
>>> doing business has increased.
>>
>> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
>> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>
> What's the correlation?
>
taken advantage of it.
>> Not
>> to mention the place has been increasing their prices higher and higher
>> for years.
>
> Unlike everything else for which the prices have remained constant...
> since 19??...?
>
annuals for many years. She quit going about 10 years ago or so because
the prices got to the point where she bought less and less. She's
car-less, so she just gave up on planting altogether.
>>
>> Cheaper to drive out to greenhouses in the suburbs at this point.
>
> Can't be. All retailer charge the same, not a penny less or more.
> -----
gpsman
May 25, 2013, 2:09:09 PM5/25/13
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On May 25, 1:11 pm, Mark Anderson <m...@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
> In article gps...@driversmail.com says...
>
> > > The yarn sold to the uninformed states that costs to business is
> > > directly related to the retail price of their goods or services. The
> > > retail price is set to the absolute maximum amount that people are
> > > willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more.
>
> > So... the retail price of everything never varies between retailers...
>
> Quit reading your assumptions into my writing. Competition is an
> externality that affects prices ... but completely irrelevant to my
> point ...
Irrelevant, other than refuting it, to the fucking penny:
> In article gps...@driversmail.com says...
>
> > > The yarn sold to the uninformed states that costs to business is
> > > directly related to the retail price of their goods or services. The
> > > retail price is set to the absolute maximum amount that people are
> > > willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more.
>
> > So... the retail price of everything never varies between retailers...
>
> Quit reading your assumptions into my writing. Competition is an
> externality that affects prices ... but completely irrelevant to my
> point ...
"The retail price is set to the absolute maximum amount that people
are willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more."
That limits the variables across all retail to 1; what people are
are willing to pay -- not a penny less nor a penny more."
willing to pay.
It's complete nonsense, on the simple basis that people are not
identical, not to mention the difference in prices of identical items
among retailers; prices vary item-to-item between Kroger and Remke,
and they and Mom and Pop stores.
> but your using the old Usenet feigning ignorance to change the
> topic trick.
> > I did not know that. From where did you obtain your MBA...?
>
> I know MBAs dumb as a box of hammers after years working uninteresting
> do nothing jobs that don't challenge their intellect who don't
> understand this.
everything you think you know is wrong, and you appear to be
functionally illiterate. You don't even seem to know what you have
written.
> > > If costs go up
> > > they cannot be absorbed by raising prices. Prices are a function of the
> > > market.
>
> > Oh. So there are no trucking companies left in the US because they
> > couldn't increase freight rates as diesel prices skyrocketed, so
> > there's nothing to buy, anywhere.
>
> Nice strawman.
single cause.
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- gpsman
gpsman
May 25, 2013, 2:24:01 PM5/25/13
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On May 25, 1:33 pm, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
> On 5/25/2013 11:35 AM, gpsman wrote:
>
> > On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>
> >>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> >>> doing business has increased.
>
> >> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
> >> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>
> > What's the correlation?
>
> Their footfall has changed to a more affluent clientele, so they've
> taken advantage of it.
What's the evidence the opposite has not occurred, the prices have not
> On 5/25/2013 11:35 AM, gpsman wrote:
>
> > On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>
> >>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> >>> doing business has increased.
>
> >> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
> >> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>
> > What's the correlation?
>
> Their footfall has changed to a more affluent clientele, so they've
> taken advantage of it.
repelled the less affluent?
When I ran a bar I increased the prices to repel the riffraff, and
explained it exactly that way to the clientele that wondered why I was
bumping the prices sometimes 25¢ a week, and they approved, and they
brought their friends.
> >> Not
> >> to mention the place has been increasing their prices higher and higher
> >> for years.
>
> > Unlike everything else for which the prices have remained constant...
> > since 19??...?
>
> I don't know about that.
> >> Cheaper to drive out to greenhouses in the suburbs at this point.
>
> > Can't be. All retailer charge the same, not a penny less or more.
>
> Can't tell if being sarcastic or not.
Not or not. Jab at Mark.
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- gpsman
smr
May 25, 2013, 2:48:23 PM5/25/13
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--
smr
Mark Anderson
May 25, 2013, 4:09:23 PM5/25/13
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In article gps...@driversmail.com says...
> It's complete nonsense, on the simple basis that people are not
> identical, not to mention the difference in prices of identical items
> among retailers; prices vary item-to-item between Kroger and Remke,
> and they and Mom and Pop stores.
I further elaborated that prices are a function of the market which you
conveniently ignored so you can wax indigent. The point being it's not
a function of cost. But with everything there are exceptions like
commodity markets -- which you conveniently exploited to divert
attention from the weakness in your argument.
> Straw man? Your premise is obviously false, logically, fallacy of the
> single cause.
If my argument is false then you assert that prices are not a function
of the market -- but of cost. Now that we have established the argument
it should be fairly simple to prove which of us is the ignoramus.
QED
Mark wins again!
> It's complete nonsense, on the simple basis that people are not
> identical, not to mention the difference in prices of identical items
> among retailers; prices vary item-to-item between Kroger and Remke,
> and they and Mom and Pop stores.
conveniently ignored so you can wax indigent. The point being it's not
a function of cost. But with everything there are exceptions like
commodity markets -- which you conveniently exploited to divert
attention from the weakness in your argument.
> Straw man? Your premise is obviously false, logically, fallacy of the
> single cause.
of the market -- but of cost. Now that we have established the argument
it should be fairly simple to prove which of us is the ignoramus.
QED
Mark wins again!
Michele
May 25, 2013, 4:34:34 PM5/25/13
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On 5/25/2013 1:24 PM, gpsman wrote:
> On May 25, 1:33 pm, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>> On 5/25/2013 11:35 AM, gpsman wrote:
>>
>>> On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>>
>>>>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
>>>>> doing business has increased.
>>
>>>> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
>>>> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>>
>>> What's the correlation?
>>
>> Their footfall has changed to a more affluent clientele, so they've
>> taken advantage of it.
>
> What's the evidence the opposite has not occurred, the prices have not
> repelled the less affluent?
>
> When I ran a bar I increased the prices to repel the riffraff, and
> explained it exactly that way to the clientele that wondered why I was
> bumping the prices sometimes 25¢ a week, and they approved, and they
> brought their friends.
>
Somehow, I can't imagine riffraff at a garden center.
> On May 25, 1:33 pm, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>> On 5/25/2013 11:35 AM, gpsman wrote:
>>
>>> On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>>
>>>>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
>>>>> doing business has increased.
>>
>>>> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
>>>> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>>
>>> What's the correlation?
>>
>> Their footfall has changed to a more affluent clientele, so they've
>> taken advantage of it.
>
> What's the evidence the opposite has not occurred, the prices have not
> repelled the less affluent?
>
> When I ran a bar I increased the prices to repel the riffraff, and
> explained it exactly that way to the clientele that wondered why I was
> bumping the prices sometimes 25¢ a week, and they approved, and they
> brought their friends.
>
spamtrap1888
May 25, 2013, 9:24:06 PM5/25/13
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On May 25, 11:24 am, gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
> On May 25, 1:33 pm, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>
> > On 5/25/2013 11:35 AM, gpsman wrote:
>
> > > On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
> > >> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>
> > >>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> > >>> doing business has increased.
>
> > >> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
> > >> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>
> > > What's the correlation?
>
> > Their footfall has changed to a more affluent clientele, so they've
> > taken advantage of it.
>
> What's the evidence the opposite has not occurred, the prices have not
> repelled the less affluent?
>
> When I ran a bar I increased the prices to repel the riffraff, and
> explained it exactly that way to the clientele that wondered why I was
> bumping the prices sometimes 25¢ a week, and they approved, and they
> brought their friends.
>
When we went to this SW side bar years ago, run by a real Galwayman,
> On May 25, 1:33 pm, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>
> > On 5/25/2013 11:35 AM, gpsman wrote:
>
> > > On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
> > >> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>
> > >>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
> > >>> doing business has increased.
>
> > >> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
> > >> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>
> > > What's the correlation?
>
> > Their footfall has changed to a more affluent clientele, so they've
> > taken advantage of it.
>
> What's the evidence the opposite has not occurred, the prices have not
> repelled the less affluent?
>
> When I ran a bar I increased the prices to repel the riffraff, and
> explained it exactly that way to the clientele that wondered why I was
> bumping the prices sometimes 25¢ a week, and they approved, and they
> brought their friends.
>
after you bought the third round, the fourth was on the house. So
selective rebates could serve the function of repelling the riffraff
while keeping desirable customers.
Cydrome Leader
May 25, 2013, 10:06:05 PM5/25/13
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Michele <eatshi...@spammers.com> wrote:
> On 5/25/2013 1:24 PM, gpsman wrote:
>> On May 25, 1:33 pm, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2013 11:35 AM, gpsman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
>>>>>> doing business has increased.
>>>
>>>>> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
>>>>> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>>>
>>>> What's the correlation?
>>>
>>> Their footfall has changed to a more affluent clientele, so they've
>>> taken advantage of it.
>>
>> What's the evidence the opposite has not occurred, the prices have not
>> repelled the less affluent?
>>
>> When I ran a bar I increased the prices to repel the riffraff, and
>> explained it exactly that way to the clientele that wondered why I was
>> bumping the prices sometimes 25? a week, and they approved, and they
> On 5/25/2013 1:24 PM, gpsman wrote:
>> On May 25, 1:33 pm, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2013 11:35 AM, gpsman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 25, 1:23 am, Michele <eatshitand...@spammers.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/24/2013 3:34 PM, gpsman wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Or, maybe they just stopped screwing themselves, and/or their cost of
>>>>>> doing business has increased.
>>>
>>>>> Gethsemane is the go-to trendy nursery these days. The cars the
>>>>> clientele drive kind of gives away the reason for the high prices.
>>>
>>>> What's the correlation?
>>>
>>> Their footfall has changed to a more affluent clientele, so they've
>>> taken advantage of it.
>>
>> What's the evidence the opposite has not occurred, the prices have not
>> repelled the less affluent?
>>
>> When I ran a bar I increased the prices to repel the riffraff, and
>> explained it exactly that way to the clientele that wondered why I was
>> brought their friends.
>>
>
> Somehow, I can't imagine riffraff at a garden center.
I can, anderson.
>>
>
> Somehow, I can't imagine riffraff at a garden center.
his rats would be tearing shit up left and right.
Mark Anderson
May 25, 2013, 10:55:24 PM5/25/13
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In article spamtr...@gmail.com says...
to keep riff raff around. Without riff raff to provide character your
bar ends up becoming pretentious; much like spending an evening with
room full of Nelsons. Who wants that?
> > When I ran a bar I increased the prices to repel the riffraff, and
> > explained it exactly that way to the clientele that wondered why I was
> > bumping the prices sometimes 25¢ a week, and they approved, and they
> > brought their friends.
> >
>
> When we went to this SW side bar years ago, run by a real Galwayman,
> after you bought the third round, the fourth was on the house. So
> selective rebates could serve the function of repelling the riffraff
> while keeping desirable customers.
Bars around here are like that. The good bars keep cheap swill around
> > explained it exactly that way to the clientele that wondered why I was
> > bumping the prices sometimes 25¢ a week, and they approved, and they
> > brought their friends.
> >
>
> When we went to this SW side bar years ago, run by a real Galwayman,
> after you bought the third round, the fourth was on the house. So
> selective rebates could serve the function of repelling the riffraff
> while keeping desirable customers.
to keep riff raff around. Without riff raff to provide character your
bar ends up becoming pretentious; much like spending an evening with
room full of Nelsons. Who wants that?
Geoff Gass
May 26, 2013, 10:17:26 AM5/26/13
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Mark Anderson <m...@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
> In article gps...@driversmail.com says...
>
>> It's complete nonsense, on the simple basis that people are not
>> identical, not to mention the difference in prices of identical items
>> among retailers; prices vary item-to-item between Kroger and Remke,
>> and they and Mom and Pop stores.
>
> I further elaborated that prices are a function of the market which you
> conveniently ignored so you can wax indigent. The point being it's not
> a function of cost.
you are a fucking idiot who has no understanding of simple economic
> In article gps...@driversmail.com says...
>
>> It's complete nonsense, on the simple basis that people are not
>> identical, not to mention the difference in prices of identical items
>> among retailers; prices vary item-to-item between Kroger and Remke,
>> and they and Mom and Pop stores.
>
> I further elaborated that prices are a function of the market which you
> conveniently ignored so you can wax indigent. The point being it's not
> a function of cost.
principles. sale price is a function of a large number of variables,
including cost.
in this particular case, since there aren't many competitors, it's a market
with somewhat inelastic supply, which should cause a rise in prices
Mark Anderson
May 26, 2013, 1:31:52 PM5/26/13
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In article g...@tanzenmb.com says...
said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
> in this particular case, since there aren't many competitors, it's a
market
> with somewhat inelastic supply, which should cause a rise in prices
A
> > I further elaborated that prices are a function of the market which you
> > conveniently ignored so you can wax indigent. The point being it's not
> > a function of cost.
>
> you are a fucking idiot who has no understanding of simple economic
> principles. sale price is a function of a large number of variables,
> including cost.
If it costs you $1 to make your widget and the market will pay $10 for
> > conveniently ignored so you can wax indigent. The point being it's not
> > a function of cost.
>
> you are a fucking idiot who has no understanding of simple economic
> principles. sale price is a function of a large number of variables,
> including cost.
said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
> in this particular case, since there aren't many competitors, it's a
market
> with somewhat inelastic supply, which should cause a rise in prices
Geoff Gass
May 27, 2013, 9:38:09 AM5/27/13
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Mark Anderson <m...@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
> In article g...@tanzenmb.com says...
>> > I further elaborated that prices are a function of the market which you
>> > conveniently ignored so you can wax indigent. The point being it's not
>> > a function of cost.
>>
>> you are a fucking idiot who has no understanding of simple economic
>> principles. sale price is a function of a large number of variables,
>> including cost.
>
> If it costs you $1 to make your widget and the market will pay $10 for
> said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
> sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
Unless barrier to entry is high, at that profit margin, a competitor will
> In article g...@tanzenmb.com says...
>> > I further elaborated that prices are a function of the market which you
>> > conveniently ignored so you can wax indigent. The point being it's not
>> > a function of cost.
>>
>> you are a fucking idiot who has no understanding of simple economic
>> principles. sale price is a function of a large number of variables,
>> including cost.
>
> If it costs you $1 to make your widget and the market will pay $10 for
> said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
> sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
undercut you on price. supply and demand are linked, not independent
Mark Anderson
May 27, 2013, 11:58:31 AM5/27/13
to
In article g...@tanzenmb.com says...
Gethsemane, it's land value and land scarcity that keeps out
competition. That all (in my observation) north side city nurseries
have gone the less selection, single pack, selling higher priced more
mature plants because people in the Twitter/Facebook generation strive
for instant gratification which means they want flowers NOW -- not have
to wait for silly nature to make them grow. Every spring they spend
$$$ and do some digging in their dirt so they can exclaim to the world
on Facebook their "gardening" Spring weekend endeavor. That's the
market all the north side nurseries realized in order to maximize profit
on what little land footprint they have.
In the suburbs where there's more land nurseries and even big box stores
like Home Depot and Menards can spread out and cull us cheapskate
gardeners with 4 packs -- albeit usually limited selection.
A bunch of years ago I used to grow up to 80 Caribbean Red habeneros all
from Gethsemane. Back then they had entire racks (plural) of these habs
that no one else had. This year their hab section was crammed into one
shelf at the bottom of a rack -- all generic yellow habs (which I think
are Caribbean Reds based on last year's result). I didn't bother to
search their herbs because I couldn't see them amongst the expensive
half grown tomato plants that sat on the tables where the herbs once
occupied. Their cucumbers looked like crap and based on last year's
result, will probably grow like crap too so I didn't even bother with
them.
I find this sad, like a passing of time that never shall return. Now I
need to find a suburban supplier out there for next year and have no
idea where to begin to search. This may finally make it worthwhile for
me grow from seed.
> > If it costs you $1 to make your widget and the market will pay $10 for
> > said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
> > sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
>
> Unless barrier to entry is high, at that profit margin, a competitor will
> undercut you on price. supply and demand are linked, not independent
Patents and copyright keep barriers to entry high. In the case of
> > said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
> > sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
>
> Unless barrier to entry is high, at that profit margin, a competitor will
> undercut you on price. supply and demand are linked, not independent
Gethsemane, it's land value and land scarcity that keeps out
competition. That all (in my observation) north side city nurseries
have gone the less selection, single pack, selling higher priced more
mature plants because people in the Twitter/Facebook generation strive
for instant gratification which means they want flowers NOW -- not have
to wait for silly nature to make them grow. Every spring they spend
$$$ and do some digging in their dirt so they can exclaim to the world
on Facebook their "gardening" Spring weekend endeavor. That's the
market all the north side nurseries realized in order to maximize profit
on what little land footprint they have.
In the suburbs where there's more land nurseries and even big box stores
like Home Depot and Menards can spread out and cull us cheapskate
gardeners with 4 packs -- albeit usually limited selection.
A bunch of years ago I used to grow up to 80 Caribbean Red habeneros all
from Gethsemane. Back then they had entire racks (plural) of these habs
that no one else had. This year their hab section was crammed into one
shelf at the bottom of a rack -- all generic yellow habs (which I think
are Caribbean Reds based on last year's result). I didn't bother to
search their herbs because I couldn't see them amongst the expensive
half grown tomato plants that sat on the tables where the herbs once
occupied. Their cucumbers looked like crap and based on last year's
result, will probably grow like crap too so I didn't even bother with
them.
I find this sad, like a passing of time that never shall return. Now I
need to find a suburban supplier out there for next year and have no
idea where to begin to search. This may finally make it worthwhile for
me grow from seed.
gpsman
May 27, 2013, 12:43:08 PM5/27/13
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On May 27, 11:58 am, Mark Anderson <m...@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
>
> people in the Twitter/Facebook generation strive
> for instant gratification which means they want flowers NOW -- not have
> to wait for silly nature to make them grow.
>
>
> people in the Twitter/Facebook generation strive
> for instant gratification which means they want flowers NOW -- not have
> to wait for silly nature to make them grow.
>
> This may finally make it worthwhile for
> me grow from seed.
You can add "immune to irony" to your resume.
> me grow from seed.
-----
- gpsman
smr
May 27, 2013, 12:59:28 PM5/27/13
to
On 5/27/2013 10:58 AM, Mark Anderson wrote:
> In article g...@tanzenmb.com says...
>>> If it costs you $1 to make your widget and the market will pay $10 for
>>> said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
>>> sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
>>
>> Unless barrier to entry is high, at that profit margin, a competitor will
>> undercut you on price. supply and demand are linked, not independent
>
> Patents and copyright keep barriers to entry high. In the case of
> Gethsemane, it's land value and land scarcity that keeps out
> competition. That all (in my observation) north side city nurseries
> have gone the less selection, single pack, selling higher priced more
> mature plants because people in the Twitter/Facebook generation strive
> for instant gratification which means they want flowers NOW -- not have
> to wait for silly nature to make them grow. Every spring they spend
> $$$ and do some digging in their dirt so they can exclaim to the world
> on Facebook their "gardening" Spring weekend endeavor. That's the
> market all the north side nurseries realized in order to maximize profit
> on what little land footprint they have.
Look at this dumb dickhead getting mad because some folks just want to
> In article g...@tanzenmb.com says...
>>> If it costs you $1 to make your widget and the market will pay $10 for
>>> said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
>>> sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
>>
>> Unless barrier to entry is high, at that profit margin, a competitor will
>> undercut you on price. supply and demand are linked, not independent
>
> Patents and copyright keep barriers to entry high. In the case of
> Gethsemane, it's land value and land scarcity that keeps out
> competition. That all (in my observation) north side city nurseries
> have gone the less selection, single pack, selling higher priced more
> mature plants because people in the Twitter/Facebook generation strive
> for instant gratification which means they want flowers NOW -- not have
> to wait for silly nature to make them grow. Every spring they spend
> $$$ and do some digging in their dirt so they can exclaim to the world
> on Facebook their "gardening" Spring weekend endeavor. That's the
> market all the north side nurseries realized in order to maximize profit
> on what little land footprint they have.
buy flowers.
--
smr
spamtrap1888
May 27, 2013, 2:26:31 PM5/27/13
to
On May 27, 8:58 am, Mark Anderson <m...@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
> In article g...@tanzenmb.com says...
>
> > > If it costs you $1 to make your widget and the market will pay $10 for
> > > said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
> > > sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
>
> > Unless barrier to entry is high, at that profit margin, a competitor will
> > undercut you on price. supply and demand are linked, not independent
>
> Patents and copyright keep barriers to entry high. In the case of
> Gethsemane, it's land value and land scarcity that keeps out
> competition. That all (in my observation) north side city nurseries
> have gone the less selection, single pack, selling higher priced more
> mature plants because people in the Twitter/Facebook generation strive
> for instant gratification which means they want flowers NOW -- not have
> to wait for silly nature to make them grow. Every spring they spend
> $$$ and do some digging in their dirt so they can exclaim to the world
> on Facebook their "gardening" Spring weekend endeavor. That's the
> market all the north side nurseries realized in order to maximize profit
> on what little land footprint they have.
>
> In the suburbs where there's more land nurseries and even big box stores
> like Home Depot and Menards can spread out and cull us cheapskate
> gardeners with 4 packs -- albeit usually limited selection.
> In article g...@tanzenmb.com says...
>
> > > If it costs you $1 to make your widget and the market will pay $10 for
> > > said widget, if Mr. Tax Man says I want in and taxes you $1 for each
> > > sold widget, at what price will that widget be post tax man?
>
> > Unless barrier to entry is high, at that profit margin, a competitor will
> > undercut you on price. supply and demand are linked, not independent
>
> Patents and copyright keep barriers to entry high. In the case of
> Gethsemane, it's land value and land scarcity that keeps out
> competition. That all (in my observation) north side city nurseries
> have gone the less selection, single pack, selling higher priced more
> mature plants because people in the Twitter/Facebook generation strive
> for instant gratification which means they want flowers NOW -- not have
> to wait for silly nature to make them grow. Every spring they spend
> $$$ and do some digging in their dirt so they can exclaim to the world
> on Facebook their "gardening" Spring weekend endeavor. That's the
> market all the north side nurseries realized in order to maximize profit
> on what little land footprint they have.
>
> In the suburbs where there's more land nurseries and even big box stores
> like Home Depot and Menards can spread out and cull us cheapskate
> gardeners with 4 packs -- albeit usually limited selection.
> I find this sad, like a passing of time that never shall return. Now I
> need to find a suburban supplier out there for next year and have no
> idea where to begin to search. This may finally make it worthwhile for
> me grow from seed.
Yes, land is worth too much to be used for low revenue operations like
> need to find a suburban supplier out there for next year and have no
> idea where to begin to search. This may finally make it worthwhile for
> me grow from seed.
a nursery. This also explains why the Kiddielands disappeared. Often
these are Mom & Pop operations the kids would rather turn into cash
once the old folks go. The nurseries that provide a lot of personal
service and plant information watch their prospective customers go
away empty handed, doubtless spending their actual money at the big
box stores.
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