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kenji

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Jan 4, 2010, 4:51:36 PM1/4/10
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If someone who I haven't seen in 30+ years reaches out to me and asks a
question how far do I go to answer things like "how have you been" "what
have you been up to?"

I mean do I even bring up the last six months of my life dealing with
cardiac events, 2009 worse year of life so far....shit like that? I mean
do they really want to know what i'm really up to, or do I give them
'all's great, thanks for asking' routine?

What do you do?

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kenji

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Jan 4, 2010, 5:39:09 PM1/4/10
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.10...@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:

> summary statement in vague terms. If they really care, they'll ask for
> more details, or maybe they have had the same.
>
> something like, "I've had a few health issues but I'm good now. Mom and
> MIL passed away both just in the last year, man I guess we're all getting
> old, starts to be expected."

Ok, thanks. I just responded to someone kinda that way. Take a peek and
tell me how I did.

Cydrome Leader

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Jan 4, 2010, 5:42:23 PM1/4/10
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you tell them they're an idiot on a stupid website.

kenji

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Jan 4, 2010, 5:45:26 PM1/4/10
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In article <hhtqsf$mas$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

what website isn't stupid but engaging and full of prescience?

Nicko

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Jan 4, 2010, 6:36:27 PM1/4/10
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That's funny. I confess that I have a facebook account, but I almost
never use it, because it is, IMO, pretty useless.

All of a sudden chicks who wouldn't give me the time of day in grammar
school--almost thirty-five years ago--want to be my "friend". What
the fuck is up with that?! So I say, "OK, I'll be you're 'friend',"
and maybe exchange a few pleasantries and reminiscences...

And then I go back to utterly forgetting about their existence for the
rest of forever.

--
YOP...

HUey

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:14:41 PM1/4/10
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In article <kenji-8AA7AE....@news.ripco.com>, ke...@ripco.com
says...

be honest if you want to re-establish a friendship. Or tell him
whatever you want if he you don't...

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HUey

kenji

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:47:54 PM1/4/10
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In article <MPG.25ac40686...@news.ftupet.com>,
HUey <hue...@gmail.com> wrote:

?

"establish a friendship" means what?

I'm kinda new to FB.

HUey

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Jan 4, 2010, 8:18:04 PM1/4/10
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In article <kenji-FE0843....@news.ripco.com>, ke...@ripco.com
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yes...

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HUey

tert in seattle

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Jan 4, 2010, 8:30:21 PM1/4/10
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kenji

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:02:19 PM1/4/10
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In article <slrnhk55h...@ftupet.ftupet.com>,

we're on usenet, I think I can invoke Godwin's Law.

kenji

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:04:08 PM1/4/10
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In article <MPG.25ac4f498...@news.ftupet.com>,
HUey <hue...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <kenji-FE0843....@news.ripco.com>, ke...@ripco.com
> says...
> >
> > In article <MPG.25ac40686...@news.ftupet.com>,
> > HUey <hue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <kenji-8AA7AE....@news.ripco.com>, ke...@ripco.com
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > If someone who I haven't seen in 30+ years reaches out to me and asks a
> > > > question how far do I go to answer things like "how have you been"
> > > > "what
> > > > have you been up to?"
> > > >
> > > > I mean do I even bring up the last six months of my life dealing with
> > > > cardiac events, 2009 worse year of life so far....shit like that? I
> > > > mean
> > > > do they really want to know what i'm really up to, or do I give them
> > > > 'all's great, thanks for asking' routine?
> > > >
> > > > What do you do?
> > >
> > > be honest if you want to re-establish a friendship. Or tell him
> > > whatever you want if he you don't...
> >
> > ?
> >
> > "establish a friendship" means what?
> >
> > I'm kinda new to FB.
>
> yes...

ummm no really when you read my shit then proceesed it and your monkey
brain came up with "establish a friendship", WTF does that mean if I'm
posting to facebook?

Nicko

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:29:41 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 4, 8:04 pm, kenji <ke...@ripco.com> wrote:

>
> ummm no really when you read my shit then proceesed it and your monkey
> brain came up with "establish a friendship", WTF does that mean if I'm
> posting to facebook?

If you really would like to keep in touch with the person, and learn
more about what is/has been going on with them, then share as much or
as little as you expect to receive in return from that person.

In my case, I never had anything that could be called a "friendship"
in the first place with most of the people from my past who try to
"friend" me on facebook, and hence my negative and cynical view of the
whole facebook thing.

I wouldn't even worry about it so much if you ignored the person
entirely, since if that person has been using facebook for any length
of time, he/she will be used to it.

After so many years, people sometimes (and it is to be hoped) have
much more pressing matters to deal with than worrying about how to
gracefully handle someone contacting them out of the blue just because
they discovered a familiar name on facebook. Don't sweat it, bro.
Just be yourself, and let them sort it out.

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YOP...

kenji

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:34:01 PM1/4/10
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In article
<2a51e02e-090a-48bd...@35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Nicko <nervou...@gmail.com> wrote:

thanks Nick, appreciate all the typing and shit but you already
mentioned you don't use FB.

There's like a whole nuther world "there", and I posted hoping to get
the opinions of people who are well versed in it's "culture".

I don't think I'm gonna find the info I'm seeking here on chi.*

Cydrome Leader

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:53:59 PM1/4/10
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WTF is prescience?

Adam H. Kerman

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Jan 4, 2010, 11:43:57 PM1/4/10
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The bit that comes before postscience.

Michele

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Jan 5, 2010, 12:10:42 AM1/5/10
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There is no "culture" or "world" on FB. FB was started mainly for
college kids to have a way to communicate outside of class beyond email.
I was invited into FB long before it was public, and found it to be as
useless then as it is now. It's an absolute narcissistic brainfart kind
of place. The analogy would be the attention whore doing topless
cartwheels in the hallway.

Basically Facebook is like Usenet, only with a much larger audience and
pictures. It has the added ability in that if you're thinking "I wonder
how so and so is doing these days" you can now go find them on Facebook
and say hello. There are no social obligations outside of that.

FB is what you make of it. I have one friend who uses it to express his
political agenda. The moment I noticed that shit starting up, I turned
off their feed. Et voila. Simple as that.

So when someone from 30 years ago finds you, says hello, you say hello
back, and give them whatever depth of conversation you feel necessary.
If it was a rilly rilly good friend you lost track of, then go back to
that level. The same goes for if it was a slight acquaintance. WTF is
so mystical about that?

Chicago Paddling-Fishing

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Jan 5, 2010, 3:39:43 AM1/5/10
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>What do you do?

Well, if it was someone who was an aquantance I'd give them just general info
and wait and see if they asked questions. I'd leave health, home address,
phone number, and that you own your own business out of the discussion... an
old coworker of mine went back for his class reunion recently and said he told
everyone he was a garbage man instead of a director for a big name consulting
firm... he said it cut out a lot of conversations with folks that he'd
occasionally talk to and let him concentrate on those he wanted to talk with...

The guy might sell insurance now and just be looking to generate leads...

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Bruce Esquibel

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Jan 5, 2010, 7:42:41 AM1/5/10
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> What do you do?


Ask them if they swallow or use kleenix and put the ball back in their
court.

-bruce
b...@ripco.com

kenji

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Jan 5, 2010, 10:42:19 AM1/5/10
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In article <hhvc41$gd5$1...@remote5bge0.ripco.com>,
Bruce Esquibel <b...@ripco.com> wrote:

i've done a little of that with people I know who can volley in the same
way. But i also realize it's not an adults only kinda place like around
here.

kenji

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Jan 5, 2010, 10:52:56 AM1/5/10
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In article <hhuhiv$i0j$1...@ftupet.ftupet.com>,
Michele <mic...@buggeroff.net> wrote:

> So when someone from 30 years ago finds you, says hello, you say hello
> back, and give them whatever depth of conversation you feel necessary.
> If it was a rilly rilly good friend you lost track of, then go back to
> that level. The same goes for if it was a slight acquaintance. WTF is
> so mystical about that?

Don't know about you but there's all of my current and past
realtionships with people all at one "place". Family, acquaintances from
the past and present, friends from the past and present, and then all
the business relationships past and present.

i my real life I created levels, barriers, tunnels, and controlled all
those relationships differently and for the most part kept them separate
from each other. i'm not aware of how to do that on Facebook yet. My
Aunty Booty doesn't need to read an inside joke from a client of mine in
some comment.

sticks

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Jan 5, 2010, 11:22:18 AM1/5/10
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Niggers!

Cydrome Leader

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Jan 5, 2010, 11:26:01 AM1/5/10
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I guess I had no idea just how remedial the shitbook crowd is.

Cydrome Leader

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Jan 5, 2010, 11:27:14 AM1/5/10
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kenji <ke...@ripco.com> wrote:
> In article <hhuhiv$i0j$1...@ftupet.ftupet.com>,
> Michele <mic...@buggeroff.net> wrote:
>
>> So when someone from 30 years ago finds you, says hello, you say hello
>> back, and give them whatever depth of conversation you feel necessary.
>> If it was a rilly rilly good friend you lost track of, then go back to
>> that level. The same goes for if it was a slight acquaintance. WTF is
>> so mystical about that?
>
> Don't know about you but there's all of my current and past
> realtionships with people all at one "place". Family, acquaintances from
> the past and present, friends from the past and present, and then all
> the business relationships past and present.
>
> i my real life I created levels, barriers, tunnels, and controlled all

are you a mole or something?

Michele

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Jan 5, 2010, 11:45:40 AM1/5/10
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Then moderate your page, and let people know in private if you had to
delete something. FB is not a place to let your ass hang out.

kenji

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Jan 5, 2010, 12:04:41 PM1/5/10
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In article <hhvqa0$b0u$1...@ftupet.ftupet.com>,
Michele <mic...@buggeroff.net> wrote:

what does moderate mean?

kenji

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Jan 5, 2010, 12:05:28 PM1/5/10
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In article <hhvp92$bia$4...@reader1.panix.com>,
Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

I think we all are if we are mentally and emotionally "normal".

kenji

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Jan 5, 2010, 12:06:51 PM1/5/10
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In article <YGJ0n.16479$Wl3....@newsfe11.iad>,
sticks <wolve...@charter.net> wrote:

yeah there was and are niggers, mexi's, chinks and jews in my life

HUey

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Jan 5, 2010, 12:19:10 PM1/5/10
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In article <kenji-F22393....@news.ripco.com>, ke...@ripco.com
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daughter's boyfriends? JK...

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HUey

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Michele

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Jan 5, 2010, 1:43:57 PM1/5/10
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Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
> Delete shit you don't want posted there. You have complete control over your
> Profile page, and can nuke anything you want, at any time.
>


What he said.

HUey

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Jan 5, 2010, 2:10:04 PM1/5/10
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In article <hi02ja$fmv$1...@ftupet.ftupet.com>, m...@shawnritchie.com says...

>
> On 1/5/2010 11:40 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
> > On 2010-01-05, kenji<ke...@ripco.com> wrote:
> > Delete shit you don't want posted there. You have complete control over your
> > Profile page, and can nuke anything you want, at any time.
> >
>
> It's cute how you you all think Kenji actually has the slightest
> interest in learning how to do something.

it's amusing that when kenji does this and you don't 'play' along with
him by posting suggestions to his questions he gets perturbed...

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HUey

smr

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Jan 5, 2010, 2:07:13 PM1/5/10
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On 1/5/2010 11:40 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
> On 2010-01-05, kenji<ke...@ripco.com> wrote:
> Delete shit you don't want posted there. You have complete control over your
> Profile page, and can nuke anything you want, at any time.
>

It's cute how you you all think Kenji actually has the slightest
interest in learning how to do something.

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smr

kenji

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Jan 5, 2010, 2:37:58 PM1/5/10
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In article <hi017o$f1a$1...@ftupet.ftupet.com>,
Michele <mic...@buggeroff.net> wrote:

I dunno if I'm too worried about what others' post, it seems I need to
temper what I post.

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kenji

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Jan 5, 2010, 2:54:11 PM1/5/10
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.10...@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:

> Hah!
> funny to hear the karma train rolling up behind you, isn't it?

not sure I follow yer drift?

fill us in.

tert in seattle

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Jan 5, 2010, 3:28:49 PM1/5/10
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kenji wrote:
> In article <slrnhk55h...@ftupet.ftupet.com>,

> tert in seattle <te...@ftupet.com> wrote:
>
>> kenji wrote:
>> > In article <hhtqsf$mas$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

>> > Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> kenji <ke...@ripco.com> wrote:
>> >> > If someone who I haven't seen in 30+ years reaches out to me and asks a
>> >> > question how far do I go to answer things like "how have you been" "what
>> >> > have you been up to?"
>> >> >
>> >> > I mean do I even bring up the last six months of my life dealing with
>> >> > cardiac events, 2009 worse year of life so far....shit like that? I mean
>> >> > do they really want to know what i'm really up to, or do I give them
>> >> > 'all's great, thanks for asking' routine?
>> >> >
>> >> > What do you do?
>> >>
>> >> you tell them they're an idiot on a stupid website.
>> >
>> > what website isn't stupid but engaging and full of prescience?
>>
>> http://www.holocaustchronicle.org/
>
> we're on usenet, I think I can invoke Godwin's Law.

we'll need a ruling from His Majestie Lord -n- Mastur, etc, etc

kenji

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Jan 5, 2010, 4:47:06 PM1/5/10
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.10...@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, kenji wrote:
>

> Hah!
> funny to hear the karma train rolling up behind you, isn't it?

so on facebook I'm finding "groups" I'd like to be a part of. Is there a
way to join and be part of discussions in verious groups but your
"friends" don't know you have joined or are part of the group?

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Michele

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Jan 5, 2010, 7:40:08 PM1/5/10
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That too.

Why do you think I don't post much on FB, much less have my pic up? A
majority of the stuff I'll say here or to people's faces won't go on
Facebook. Some people just don't need to know shit about me.

IE just because you friended me on FB doesn't mean that you're going to
get to know what goes on my daily life. Email me instead.

OTOH, I may reminisce about that DDial party when you and the other 350
pound dude tried to play karate kid, and one of you ripped the crotch
out of your pants.

Michele

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Jan 5, 2010, 7:41:14 PM1/5/10
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Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
> On 2010-01-05, kenji <ke...@ripco.com> wrote:
> No, I don't think you can protect that level of activity, just wall posts
> and links. I've never tried to hide a group, but I consider the Facebook
> group discussions to be FAIL anyway.
>
> Wall, and Mafia Wars. That's all you need.
>


Yeah, because we all *really* want to know who you bumped off in MW. ;)

Michele

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Jan 5, 2010, 7:56:34 PM1/5/10
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Well, you know, cum mula peperit. It may happen someday.

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Gregory Morrow

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Jan 6, 2010, 12:42:43 AM1/6/10
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kenji wrote:


U mean that we all "spies", then...???


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Best
Greg


Ron T.

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Jan 6, 2010, 10:59:09 AM1/6/10
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"Michele" <mic...@buggeroff.net> wrote in message
news:hi0n2d$t16$2...@ftupet.ftupet.com...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/2290491.stm


Eric

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Jan 6, 2010, 2:06:41 PM1/6/10
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Michele <mic...@buggeroff.net> wrote in
news:hi0m5l$sjb$2...@ftupet.ftupet.com:

Most of my "friends" play farmville. It's annoying. Yes, I use Facebook
Purity and have to switch to status updates on my iphone, but it's still
annoying. I have to see if I can block the app. My sister plays it all
day.

I play MW but you can elect not to send updates to your friends. I opt
not to if I catch it.

kenji

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Jan 6, 2010, 2:20:43 PM1/6/10
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In article <Xns9CF885...@66.246.138.5>,
Eric <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:

hey no one seemed to answer my question and you sound like yer well
versed at FB buttons knobs and shit.

How can you join a "group" be active in it but not let your "friends"
know you are part of the "group"?

Eric

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Jan 6, 2010, 2:44:40 PM1/6/10
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kenji <ke...@ripco.com> wrote in
news:kenji-6F1CD1....@news.ripco.com:

I dunno. I don't belong to any groups I'm ashamed to belong to.

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Eric

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Jan 6, 2010, 3:08:07 PM1/6/10
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Kristian M Zoerhoff <kristian...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:slrnhk9qhk.j6e.k...@otaku.freeshell.org:

> You can. I have the same issue.

heh... I just blocked Farmville, Fishville, and aquarium something, and
my page is clear of apps, even on mobile. Wonderful!

Gregory Morrow

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Jan 6, 2010, 3:55:21 PM1/6/10
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kenji wrote:


STOP being such a bald - faced spineless whingeing pussy, fer crying out
loud...


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Greg


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core

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Jan 6, 2010, 9:28:24 PM1/6/10
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:18:26 -0600, barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:

>so, what's this farmville thing, anyhow? Some of the nerds from
>highschool that friended me are playing it, and I was all like WTF is this
>stupid shit?

Sim City for Dummies

kenji

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Jan 7, 2010, 12:11:47 AM1/7/10
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.10...@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:

> > Um, I did answer this. The answer is you can't.
>
> i think he's unclear on what joining a "group" is about in the first
> place. it's really generally not a very interactive experience at all.

point being there's some groups I wannna join but not if others know I'm
joining it or have joined it.

Michele

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Jan 7, 2010, 12:38:01 AM1/7/10
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Then make yourself another Facebook page and don't tell anyone about it.

Chicago Paddling-Fishing

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Jan 7, 2010, 12:48:09 AM1/7/10
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kenji <ke...@ripco.com> wrote:

<snip>

>point being there's some groups I wannna join but not if others know I'm
>joining it or have joined it.

"I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO
BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER." - Groucho Marx
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Groucho_Marx

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smr

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Jan 7, 2010, 1:24:57 PM1/7/10
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No. Point being that you've been told multiple times that what you want
IS NOT POSSIBLE so fuck the fucking fuck off already.

--
smr

Cydrome Leader

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Jan 8, 2010, 4:52:02 PM1/8/10
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Chicago Paddling-Fishing <j...@ripco.com> wrote:
> kenji <ke...@ripco.com> wrote:
>>If someone who I haven't seen in 30+ years reaches out to me and asks a
>>question how far do I go to answer things like "how have you been" "what
>>have you been up to?"
>
>>I mean do I even bring up the last six months of my life dealing with
>>cardiac events, 2009 worse year of life so far....shit like that? I mean
>>do they really want to know what i'm really up to, or do I give them
>>'all's great, thanks for asking' routine?
>
>>What do you do?
>
> Well, if it was someone who was an aquantance I'd give them just general info
> and wait and see if they asked questions. I'd leave health, home address,
> phone number, and that you own your own business out of the discussion... an
> old coworker of mine went back for his class reunion recently and said he told
> everyone he was a garbage man instead of a director for a big name consulting
> firm... he said it cut out a lot of conversations with folks that he'd
> occasionally talk to and let him concentrate on those he wanted to talk with...

who the hell would want to talk to a director at a consulting company and
burn his time doing so?

Chicago Paddling-Fishing

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Jan 11, 2010, 5:18:26 AM1/11/10
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People looking for work. No one associates garbage man with an inside lead to
well paying jobs...

Cydrome Leader

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Jan 11, 2010, 12:15:50 PM1/11/10
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Chicago Paddling-Fishing <j...@ripco.com> wrote:
> Cydrome Leader <pres...@mungepanix.com> wrote:
>>Chicago Paddling-Fishing <j...@ripco.com> wrote:
>>> kenji <ke...@ripco.com> wrote:
>>>>If someone who I haven't seen in 30+ years reaches out to me and asks a
>>>>question how far do I go to answer things like "how have you been" "what
>>>>have you been up to?"
>>>
>>>>I mean do I even bring up the last six months of my life dealing with
>>>>cardiac events, 2009 worse year of life so far....shit like that? I mean
>>>>do they really want to know what i'm really up to, or do I give them
>>>>'all's great, thanks for asking' routine?
>>>
>>>>What do you do?
>>>
>>> Well, if it was someone who was an aquantance I'd give them just general info
>>> and wait and see if they asked questions. I'd leave health, home address,
>>> phone number, and that you own your own business out of the discussion... an
>>> old coworker of mine went back for his class reunion recently and said he told
>>> everyone he was a garbage man instead of a director for a big name consulting
>>> firm... he said it cut out a lot of conversations with folks that he'd
>>> occasionally talk to and let him concentrate on those he wanted to talk with...
>
>>who the hell would want to talk to a director at a consulting company and
>>burn his time doing so?
>
> People looking for work. No one associates garbage man with an inside lead to
> well paying jobs...

and useless management types will be handing out jobs to people at some
party?

I'd rather talk to the garbage man.

kenji

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Jan 11, 2010, 12:18:46 PM1/11/10
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In article <hifmc6$8kr$3...@reader1.panix.com>,
Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

I've always used social gatherings of work related people to garner
knwoledge of where future work might come from

Cydrome Leader

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Jan 11, 2010, 1:49:10 PM1/11/10
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a high school reunion isn't work related people.

kenji

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Jan 11, 2010, 2:07:31 PM1/11/10
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In article <hifrr6$95h$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

could be since 2007 that out of work people are using anywhere and
everywhere to "netwrok"

Cydrome Leader

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Jan 11, 2010, 3:21:30 PM1/11/10
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well, again, this is just me, but if I needed a job, I'd not be out
drinking with pals from high school that I didn't care about enough to
even keep in contact with on my own since then.

Chicago Paddling-Fishing

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Jan 12, 2010, 6:46:05 AM1/12/10
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In some peoples dreams yes...

>I'd rather talk to the garbage man.

:-)

Adam H. Kerman

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Jan 12, 2010, 12:45:33 PM1/12/10
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Chicago Paddling-Fishing <j...@ripco.com> wrote:
>kenji <ke...@ripco.com> wrote:

>>point being there's some groups I wannna join but not if others know I'm
>>joining it or have joined it.

>"I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO
>BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER." - Groucho Marx
>http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Groucho_Marx

Paddlefuck, like most ignorant Christians, misuses Groucho's quote to mean
something Groucho didn't mean. But what else would you expect from a censor?

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