Hellbug, the Klackon Warlock (Demon) [0.08]
Dave Zhang
The closest he's come to death has, perhaps not surprisingly, been Doom Quest 1, vs. the Archviles. Even with +2+10 speed and RFire (plus SI and FA), he got toasted down to about 25 HP. The 1/2 pact penalty is feeling about right.
I chose 49 quests, and didn't think twice before abandoning my dlvl 2 quest for Robin Hood (having all of 17 AC at the time). Quests generally seem to improve the speed of the play, but I wonder if it's not making the game too easy. I've probably accumulated over 300k gold at this point (having spent bout 280k on the randart gloves, Rapier of Westernesse, and the Armor of Elvenkind from the BM). Plus I have a decent chunk of spare gear in my home for if something else shows up.
Maybe old habits die hard? I just wait/slept in Telmora for a couple days until a source of FA showed up, due to the large amounts of money I was accumulating. It was a Dwarven armor that was later sold, when I got my Westernesse weapon.
Funniest moment of this character's life: Opened a door to one of the pit-type rooms, and got breathed on (?) with poison, and my CON swapped with CHA (18/50 and 18). Whew. That could have been a lot worse.
Cheers,
Dave
[Chengband 0.0.8 Character Dump]
Name : Lucky Hellbug
Sex : Male Age 21 STR : 17
Race : Klackon Height 59 INT : 18/20
Class : Warlock Weight 79 WIS : 12
Pact : Demon Social Class 1 DEX : 16
Align Chaotic CON : 18/80
CHR : 18/90
Right hand (+6,+10) Hit point 290/ 290 Fighting : Very Good
SP (Mana) 0/ 0 Bows/Throw : Good
Blows/Round 3+0 SavingThrow: Superb
AverageDmg/Rnd 40+0 Level 24 Stealth : Superb
Experience 25860
Shooting (-20,+4) Max Exp 25860 Perception : Superb
Multiplier x3.06 Exp to Adv 28750 Searching : Superb
Shots/Round 1.00 Gold 9247 Disarming : Excellent
MagicDevice: Heroic
AC [38,+92] Time Day 9 10:27
Speed (+2) Play time 02:05:52 Infra-Vision: 20 feet
(Character Background)
You are one of several children of a Klackon hive queen.
You have yellow skin, and black eyes.
...Now, you are in Telmora.
Modification
Sex : Male Stat BaseRacClaPerMod ActualCurrent abcdefghijkl@
Race : Klackon STR : 15 2 -2 -2 4 17 2.........2..
Class : Warlock INT : 12 -1 1 -2 10 18/20 .4.......22.2
Level : 24 WIS : 11 -1 2 -2 2 12 .........2...
Hits : 290/290 DEX : 16 1 -1 -2 2 16 2............
Mana : 0/0 CON : 18/50 2 -2 -2 5 18/80 2..3.........
CHR : 18 -1 4 2 4 18/90 .4...........
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Acid : .......+....+ Sound : ............. Speed : ............+
Elec : .+.....+..... Nether: ..........+.. FreeAction: +..........+.
Fire : .......+....+ Nexus : ............. SeeInvisi.: +........+...
Cold : .......+..... Chaos : ............. Hold Life : ............+
Poison: ............. Disnch: ............. Warning : .............
Light : +............ Fear : .......+..... SlowDigest: .............
Dark : ............. Reflct: ............. Regene. : .............
Shard : +.........+.. AuFire: ............. Levitation: .............
Blind : .........+... AuElec: ............. Perm Lite : +............
Conf : ............+ AuCold: ............. Cursed : ........+....
|) |)}== ~[(]]] |)}== ~[(]]]
ab@ abcdefghijkl@ abcdefghijkl@
Slay Evil : +.. Telepathy : ............. Add Blows : +............
Slay Und. : +.. ESP Evil : ............. Add Tunnel : .............
Slay Demon: ... ESP Noliv.: ............. Add Infra : .............
Slay Drag.: ... ESP Good : ............. Add Device : .............
Slay Human: ... ESP Undead: ............. Add Stealth : .......++.+..
Slay Anim.: ... ESP Demon : ............. Add Search : .+......++...
Slay Orc : +.. ESP Dragon: .............
Slay Troll: ... ESP Human : ............. Riding : .............
Slay Giant: ... ESP Animal: ............. Throw : .............
Acid Brand: ... ESP Orc : +............ Blessed : .............
Elec Brand: ... ESP Troll : +............ No Teleport : .............
Fire Brand: ... ESP Giant : +............ Anti Magic : .............
Cold Brand: ... Econom. Mana: .............
Poison Brd: ... Sust Str : .............
Sharpness : ... Sust Int : ............. Drain Exp : .............
Quake : ... Sust Wis : ............. Rnd.Teleport: .............
Vampiric : ... Sust Dex : ............. Aggravate : .............
Chaotic : ... Sust Con : ............. TY Curse : .............
Force Wep.: ... Sust Chr : .+...........
[Option Settings]
Preserve Mode: ON
Small Levels: ENABLED
Arena Levels: ENABLED
[Recall Depth]
Angband : level 22
Yeek cave : level 5
[Quest Information]
< Completed Quest >
Thieves Hideout (Danger level: 5) - level 7
Warg problem (Danger level: 5) - level 11
Lousy, the King of Louses (Dungeon level: 4) - level 12
The Borshin (Dungeon level: 6) - level 19
Hobbes the Tiger (Dungeon level: 8) - level 19
The Sewer (Danger level: 15) - level 19
Orc Camp (Danger level: 15) - level 19
King Duosi, the Chief of Southerings (Dungeon level: 10) - level 20
Doom Quest 1 (Danger level: 15) - level 20
Meng Huo, the King of Southerings (Dungeon level: 12) - level 21
Shagrat, the Orc Captain (Dungeon level: 14) - level 21
Bolg, Son of Azog (Dungeon level: 16) - level 22
Angamaite of Umbar (Dungeon level: 18) - level 22
Poor, the Thief (Dungeon level: 20) - level 22
Rich, the Thief (Dungeon level: 22) - level 23
Logrus Master (Danger level: 25) - level 24
< Failed Quest >
Robin Hood, the Outlaw (Dungeon level: 2) - level 11
Arena: 10 Victories
[Defeated Monsters]
You have defeated 2212 enemies including 26 unique monsters in total.
< Unique monsters top 10 >
Rich, the Thief (level 29)
Poor, the Thief (level 25)
Angamaite of Umbar (level 24)
Bolg, Son of Azog (level 20)
Shagrat, the Orc Captain (level 18)
Meng Huo, the King of Southerings (level 18)
Wutugu, the Chief of Southerings (level 17)
Nar, the Dwarf (level 17)
Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief (level 12)
Mauhur, the Orc Captain (level 12)
[Virtues]
Your alighnment : Chaotic
You are an arch-enemy of Diligence.
You have strayed from the path of Justice.
You are very virtuous in Harmony.
You are an arch-enemy of Compassion.
You have sinned against Valour.
You are somewhat virtuous in Sacrifice.
You are an arch-enemy of Honour.
You are the living embodiment of Temperance.
[Mutations]
There is a white aura surrounding you.
[Character Equipment]
a) The Small Sword 'Sting' (1d6) (+7,+8) (+2 attacks)
b) The Large Leather Shield 'Innocent Dress' [6,+18] (+4 to searching) {InChSr;El(Ch}
c) a Long Bow (x3) (+1,+4)
d) a Ring of Constitution (+3)
e) a Ring of Protection [+17]
f) (nothing)
g) a Feanorian Lamp {average}
h) Augmented Chain Mail of Elvenkind (-2) [16,+19] (+3 to stealth) {25% off}
i) an Elven Cloak [4,+8] (+2 to stealth) {cursed}
j) The Iron Helm 'Holhenneth' [5,+10] (+2) {InWiSr;Bl;Si}
k) The Set of Leather Gloves 'ladenthond' [1,+10] (+2 to stealth) {StInSl;ShNt}
l) a Pair of Metal Shod Boots of Free Action [6,+9]
[Character Inventory]
a) 7 Rations of Food
b) 5 Pieces of Elvish Waybread
c) a Potion of Speed {!*}
d) 5 Potions of Heroism
e) 28 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds {25% off}
f) a Potion of Healing {!k}
g) 2 Potions of Resistance {!k}
h) 23 Scrolls of Teleportation {!*}
i) 2 Rods of Illumination
j) 2 Rods of Disarming {!k!d}
k) a Rod of Stone to Mud {!k!d}
l) a Staff of Perception (16 charges)
[Home Inventory]
( page 1 )
a) a Craft Spellbook [Note of Acting Master]
b) a Potion of Restore Charisma {25% off}
c) a Potion of Resistance {!k}
d) a Scroll of Mundanity
e) a Scroll of *Destruction*
f) The Hard Studded Leather of Illusion (-1) [7,+11] (+4 to stealth) {SlSr;Bl}
g) a Rapier of Westernesse (1d6) (+4,+11) (+1) {!*}
h) a Ball-and-Chain of Venom (2d4) (+6,+5)
i) 23 Arrows of Holy Might (1d4) (+13,+7) (41/41)
j) The Skeleton of Freesia {!* Wanted}
k) The Corpse of Wutugu, the Chief of Southerings {!* Wanted}
[Check Sum: "078f621849c37c75ec"]
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David Yu Zhang, Ph.D.
Howard Hughes Medical Institute Fellow of the Life Sciences Research Foundation
Wyss Institute, Harvard University
Chris Kousky
> for Robin Hood (having all of 17 AC at the time). Quests generally seem to
> improve the speed of the play, but I wonder if it's not making the game too
> easy.
some ways this makes things easier since you may leave the quest level
without failing it (random quests only). But, the quest must be
completed! (OK, currently you can Trump Tower to skip it ...)
A true "Ironman Quests" would block Recall and Teleport Level, and not
generate any stairs or trap doors :) That just ain't right, though
...
Does 49 max means one always chooses 49? You are pretty much
guaranteed to draw The Destroyer, The Unicorn, Nodens, etc. that way.
I like the quick start, though. I might start going with 25 instead
for 1 every 4 levels. Watch out for Jack in the late 30s ...
--Chris
Dave Zhang
Honestly, I didn't start the game thinking I'd do this though! But Robin Hood as a dlvl 2 quest just ain't possible, and since I already failed one quest, I didn't feel any qualms about failing more.
Oh, a couple other things. For Warlock, it looks like we're designing a special ability for lv 5, 15, 20, 30, 35, 45, 50 for all the pacts. Currently, Dragon is missing a Lv 15 ability, and Demon is missing a Lv 30 ability. I propose:
Dragon 15: Heroism (Spell-like ability) and/or Sustain STR
Demon 30: Sterilize or Teleport Level
Also, Aberration pact is the only one right now that gets a completely worthless skill (Search). We should either replace this with Bow skill, or add on Perception and Disarming skills. Either 1 useful skill or 3 useless skills. I favor Bow, because they already get a +DEX stat, so that synergizes well.
Cheers,
Dave
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Chris Kousky
> Hellbug is clvl 32 now, having just completed killing fields. The spell revenge ai doesn't seem to be working? Checking my log, i see a stretch of 11 continuous turns where the maulotaur just approached while i nuked him 100 hp per pop. He casted a total of 4 spells (2 fireballs and 2 plasma bolts), as I lobbed a total of 20 eldritch blasts (+4+10 speed).
Currently, only "smart" monsters have the new AI. You can search for
the SMART flag in r_info.txt. We probably should make that broader,
so I need to write some code to make sure that monsters actually have
something to offer in a distance response. At the time I coded this,
I figured that the SMART flag would correlate with decent spells, and
didn't really know the code that well. So you just got the normal
Hengband distance AI ...
I guess we need to make it broader to be truly worthwhile. I'll
update the Issue, which is still open since I have to add code to make
archers feel the pain.
Chris Kousky
> Found my first =oSpellPower on dlvl 29. Does it affect eldritch blast? It probably should, in addition to affecting things like psychospear.
Stunning Blast seems really powerful. For example, my wizard
character teleported down to DL127, conjured up a Ring of Spell Power
(-6), and proceeded to do this to Hela:
You do 19 (out of 7400) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead resists a lot.
You do 23 (out of 7381) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead resists a lot.
You do 213 (out of 7358) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead shrugs off the attack.
You do 194 (out of 7145) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead shrugs off the attack.
You do 24 (out of 6951) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead resists a lot.
You do 425 (out of 6927) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is dazed.
You do 401 (out of 6502) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 355 (out of 6101) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 302 (out of 5746) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 315 (out of 5444) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is no longer stunned.
You do 419 (out of 5129) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is dazed.
You do 397 (out of 4710) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 375 (out of 4313) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 377 (out of 3938) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
Hela, Queen of the Dead invokes the Hand of Doom!
You resist the effects!
You do 466 (out of 3561) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 362 (out of 3095) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 330 (out of 2733) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 384 (out of 2403) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 429 (out of 2019) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
Hela, Queen of the Dead tries to cast a spell, but fails.
You do 336 (out of 1590) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
You do 429 (out of 1254) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
Hela, Queen of the Dead tries to cast a spell, but fails.
You do 406 (out of 899) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
Hela, Queen of the Dead flees in terror!
You do 416 (out of 493) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead is more dazed.
Hela, Queen of the Dead flees in terror!
You do 362 (out of 77) damage.
Hela, Queen of the Dead shouts, 'AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!'
Hela, Queen of the Dead dies.
First was the prismatic blast, but then I hit upon the Stun. Damages
are high with the 6 points of spell power, but my hp are down at 500
thanks to the -6 Con (and that's with the complete lazy kit, etc).
I'm using the same stunning code that other sound attacks use ...
Maybe the damage should be halved?
David Zhang
Maybe we should give the monsters a save to avoid stun? Save if mlvl+d100 > clvl*2+cha for warlock, maybe clvl*1.5+dex for monk? Hela's 85? So stun w 55% prob, rather than every time. Monks stun w 30% prob per hit.
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Chris Kousky
Yes, I made no effort to rarify these objects ...
>> That stunning does seem quite strong.
>>
>> Maybe we should give the monsters a save to avoid stun? Save if mlvl+d100 > clvl*2+cha for warlock, maybe clvl*1.5+dex for monk? Hela's 85? So stun w 55% prob, rather than every time. Monks stun w 30% prob per hit.
>>
I made Issue 40 for this, where I tried to document the current
system. The problem is repeatable stunning (Monk's fists, Warlock's
Stunning Blast, etc) which is unresisted and lasts until the monster
shakes it off (72% for Hela, but that is only checked every 10 game
turns). The counter check does not coincide with monster action, so
the player might move again before the unstunned monster does, and
poof, they are stunned again. And even if the newly unstunned monster
does get to act, so what? You just stun them up again on your next
move!
Yeah, a saving throw seems like the correct way to handle this.
Dave Zhang
Anyway, what are your experiences for mid-30's warlocks at the moment? I'm feeling this is pretty tough, but mid-30's without Tower + BM scumming has traditionally been hard, and it's been so long since I played mid-30's normally that I don't remember how bad it's supposed to be :)
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Chris Kousky
wouldn't go below DL40 until The Cloning Pits was done and my
stats/speed were a bit higher. This is the exact part of the game
that is a wall of difficulty. Low speed is pretty much insta-death at
DL44, and most characters are still +0 since lucking into a RoS is
pretty much impossible. I'm open to thoughts on how to handle that
one ... My plans are to give early low speed items. The hobbit arts
all boost +1 ... I might add a new ego item:
Boots of Thievery +1 to +3
Stealth, Dex, Speed.
I think you have above average power with 150 unlimited damage ... and
you were almost sporting Slayer :D
How many stat potions did you find so far? 0? I'm thinking of
putting a few random stat potions in the various quests (The Barrow
Downs might get 2, and will definitely lose one of the hobbit arts).
I still haven't had time to play ... Are the new changes broken?
--Chris
Dave Zhang
Really? Way back before I just Tower-scummed, I always went down to about dlvl 45-50 before doing Cloning Pits quest. I figure, if I can't even beat the dlvl 44 quest easily, there's no way I can do the difficulty 45 Cloning Pits quest.
I had quite a few stat potions, actually. My initial stats were 15/11/11/15/17/17, and I put all of my ups into CON or CHA. I remember I found only 1 !oCON and 0 !oCHA, but quite a number of !oSTR, !oDEX, !oINT, and !oWIS.
Looking at my final stats, I'm guessing 2 !oSTR, 4-5 !oINT, 2-3 !oWIS, and 2-3 !oDEX? So a total of maybe 12 stat potions? That's not too bad. I didn't even go dragon hunting.
Spell Revenge definitely makes the game harder! But in a good way. I'll playtest another Warlock, more carefully this time. (And I'll probably Cheat Death if I die again, since I do want to test late game as well). Maybe Undead for extra Stealth and HP?
Dave
Chris Kousky
> dlvl 45-50 before doing Cloning Pits quest. I figure, if I can't even beat
> the dlvl 44 quest easily, there's no way I can do the difficulty 45 Cloning
> Pits quest.
You know, its just been a really long time since I've played straight
up so I am going by ancient recollections here :) But I do generally
park it at 36 for a long time ... several hours, and slowly inch my
way up. At the early 40s there are really bad monsters about:
Drolems, Dracolich, AMHD, etc. For some reason, I often get mobs of
D's (in Angband) and mobs seem to always pull a few out of depth. If
my detection sucks, then I don't want to risk that since stealth
doesn't matter against wide awake mobs.
>
> I had quite a few stat potions, actually. My initial stats were
> 15/11/11/15/17/17, and I put all of my ups into CON or CHA. I remember I
> found only 1 !oCON and 0 !oCHA, but quite a number of !oSTR, !oDEX, !oINT,
> and !oWIS.
>
> Looking at my final stats, I'm guessing 2 !oSTR, 4-5 !oINT, 2-3 !oWIS, and
> 2-3 !oDEX? So a total of maybe 12 stat potions? That's not too bad. I
> didn't even go dragon hunting.
That's good news, and is enough.
>
> Spell Revenge definitely makes the game harder! But in a good way. I'll
> playtest another Warlock, more carefully this time. (And I'll probably
> Cheat Death if I die again, since I do want to test late game as well).
> Maybe Undead for extra Stealth and HP?
>
I might need to tweak the odds down a bit though. Currently it is a
70% chance of retaliation. How does 50% sound? This roll is in
addition to the normal spell frequency check ...