Discussion on proposal-for-radical-reorientation-of-cftt-through-the-journal

[krittika]

'CFTT as an interative journal' would be quite a drastic reorientation
to CFTT. ALL members should contribute to such a dicussion. Thus, if
we want to continue this, we need to add other people to the google
group.

It is quite clear here that CFTT shall provide the space for people to
come together, discuss and write (for CFTT and non CFTT members), so
wht else do CFTT members do?

COLLABORATION: One of the major aims of the journal is to be a
collaborative site, Thus, articles need to be written through
collaboration ( some may ne south-south, north-north and south-north.)
Summer/ winter conferances is the physical space where some of the
articles will be written together. This is still not possible
everywhere but the point is to aim for it. Articles will also be
written individually and shall be discussed post publication at a
conferance like setting which Dirk mentioned. Debates, from this can
be used in articles in the next publication. That is quite normal in
journals anyways.

the wiki is the site where these articles can be written and a blog
can be used to publish the articles. I personally would also like a
space where everyday information can exchange (for example: if I come
across a good article and want to share it with the group). This
google group can also be used for that but then we would have to
include more people here.

In terms of when to publish: the time line sounds good, But what if
collaborative writing (like envisaged in the summer conferances) does
not work out in the South as yet, and instead we have some people who
want to contribute individual articles?

[Janna]

I strongly support Krittikas point to share this idea / discussion
with
everyone who’s interested – but in the Wiki! *. Maybe just
as what it is, a thought which requires a lot consideration and needs
to be carefully discussed.

I think the idea of the journal in general is a very good one and in
the
same moment I think it’s by far too quick to stamp down all what cftt
is
considered to be and reorganize it completely – Nothing will ever
work or
get continued if we are changing structures all the time instead of
trying
them really. – An organization/network or journal or what ever it
can /
should be or is ---- that’s not the point. It’s not the point how we
call or formally structure it in the end.
I think the idea of creating a journal is a good one. – So let’s
create a journal instead of making up a new form of organization out
of it:
let’s create a journal as planned, think about good content, next
step
than is thinking about what to do with it and what kind of after-
discussion is
suitable
Everything else would just be another snapshot, I feel.

I really plead for trying instead of rethinking organization-forms
and
simply work on content ideas – and than look what kind of structures
are
emerging while people are actually working on content. If that’s
appreciated, we can still write them down and fix them in form
afterwards when we
found out what’s appropriate.


I really hope this does not too destructive, I really like your ideas
in
that text Dirk, that’s not the problem at all – I just I think it
does
not bring us further at the moment, I think this discussion rather
creates
distractions than helping to create a good working-system.


*Another point - I would very much prefer to discuss all issues in the
wiki - If you once learned it, it's very easy to handle and it's much
more inclusive - all can participate. Ahould we have an wiki tutorial
to show everyone how it works to edit and discuss in the wiki?

[Janna]

I think the idea of the journal in general is a very good one and in
the
> same moment I think it’s by far too quick to stamp down all what cftt is
> considered to be and reorganize it completely – Nothing will ever work or
> get continued if we are changing structures all the time instead of trying
> them really. – An organization/network or journal or what ever it can /
> should be or is ---- that’s not the point. It’s not the point how we
> call or formally structure it in the end.
> I think the idea of creating a journal is a good one. – So let’s
> create a journal instead of making up a new form of organization out of it:
> let’s create a journal as planned, think about good content, next step

> than is thinking about what to do with it and what kind of after-discussion is

[krittika vishwanath]

Hi Janna,

This google group in no way is a substitute for the wiki.
It is just an easier way to cooridinate some of the workings of the journal.
using the wiki is not the problem but some of us come from places with poor internet connection and find the wiki a little cumbersome to use then
This google group is ONLY for carrying out some mundane coordination discussions. Once a consensus is reached, I will put up all the details on the wiki. So every one will know what is happening and can add their thoughts to the wiki.
This group is just to make life a little easier in between the time the idea comes to head and it goes up on the wiki.

And a reply to dirk dayo harshini,
Yes lets leave some of the logistics for later. The scope of the journal is an on going process. Once we have the first volumn ready, we can get more organisations involved and figure out what to do and how to do it.

So for now, we can concentrate on some summer conferances, writing and layout of the journal.
By this week end, Dayo, Denise and me will be coming to a consensus on our roles in the journal; thus bringing clarity on the way to go ahead as well!

Krittika

[Dayo Awe]

@Janna,             Let me start by saying there is so much passion in your mail,you will definitely make a good speech writer. Well I agree that it seems that the journal project has attracted attention and activities that it seems every other thing has taken a back stage, but at the same time I think considering it importance to the sustainance of the North-South Dialogue (which is one of the cardinal aims and objectives of CFTT) it deserves to have all hands on deck to make it a success.I have not seen any project by CFTT that has elicited great attention from members from the south as the journal project ( While I stand to be corrected). It is not uncommon for orgainzation's (or even country's identity) to be tied to a single project, I think we in the CFTT has reached that critical stage. I have seen so much excitment been generated here when I discussed the idea of the journal even with non-CFTT members. At last we have a channel through which our voice can be heard, some remarked. Honestly,I think the journal will definately bring about a change in the organization and structure of CFTT,because I forsee CFTT getting a lot of attention from the south which will ultimately lead to greater participation form the youth in the south. It might not happen fast, but it will happen sooner or later.But I am not aware of any conscious attempt to change the structure, though there is nothing wrong if we keep elvoving until we get the perfect structure. I also concur with krittika argument about poor connectivity, even though I am IT savvy using the wiki has not been smooth because of poor connectivity. Stayingthe internet for me has always come at a great cost. In the course of typing this mail I have been interrupted/had to recconect back to the internet 9 times.Imagine the stress. Take care..... You have my high regards, Dayo --- On Mon, 8/3/09, krittika vishwanath <starclu...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Denise Matias]

Hi all,

I think the way to look at the journal is to see it as another "project" that the organization is undertaking and as with any project, there are project leaders/ managers who have accountability for the project. In the case of me, Dayo, and Krittika, we'll be managing this project but not CFTT in general.

I hope this clears things. Looking forward to getting things rolling.

Best,
Denise

2009/8/4 Dayo Awe <d4day...@yahoo.com>

[Harshini]

Agree! Agree! Agree!

The Journal is a project, let's make it work. If further
organizational restructuring of the CFTT is required, let's do it too
with the opinions of all but at the moment, I think the priority is
the journal. And by the end of it, all members also would have a
clearer idea on how CFTT should be restructured if the need still be.

Best regards!

On Aug 4, 9:39 am, Denise Matias <denise.mat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think the way to look at the journal is to see it as another "project"
> that the organization is undertaking and as with any project, there are
> project leaders/ managers who have accountability for the project. In the
> case of me, Dayo, and Krittika, we'll be managing this project but not CFTT
> in general.
>
> I hope this clears things. Looking forward to getting things rolling.
>
> Best,
> Denise
>

> 2009/8/4 Dayo Awe <d4dayo2...@yahoo.com>

> > --- On *Mon, 8/3/09, krittika vishwanath <starcluster...@gmail.com>*wrote:

> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Janna <kiwi...@gmx.de<http://mc/compose?to=kiwi...@gmx.de>