RE: [cfjobs] CF developer req'd for Brisbane (skills shortage)
TRACEY, Darren
There's certainly no shortage of jobs here in Brisbane. There's more and
more places with unfilled cf roles, and new ones popping up all the time.
We need to have some more 'new blood' as it were in the market. This needs
to be encouraged somehow. We could all sit around and complain about the
looming skills shortage, or we can do something about it.
I think (IMHO) that showing prospective I.T. employees that CF is a good
thing to do for a career, would be a good start.
If every CF shop in Australia approached their local High Schools or any
other teaching institution where IT is taught, and offered at least one work
experience position each year, then this would be a good start. You should
be able to get someone with a little IT knowledge to be able to do something
useful with CF in a week or so.
We all rave on about how great CF is and how quick and easy it is to pick
up, well now is the time to turn that to our advantage and get a whole new
generation of eager young CF developers started. Get them aware of CF and of
how powerful and easy it is. Get them keen to do it and in turn they will
advocate it to their friends and fellow students.
In theory Adobe should be pursuing this, but they seem to be a little
preoccupied with trying to work out who they are now, post merger, so lets
take the challenge, show our new Adobe 'overlords' how useful and powerful
our usergroups and communities can be, and give CF the kick it needs to get
past this skills shortage.
So think globally, act locally, and get a young person coding CF!
Regards
Darren Tracey
Systems Analyst
HR Systems and Fastrack
Wealth and Corporate Systems
Suncorp
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Barry Beattie
I for one am going to email the guys back at my old teaching spot to
at least suggest they consider teaching CF again...they switched to
PHP after I left (hey, not my fault: change in mgt, etc). I can use
the current situation as justification/incentive
did anyone see a news report the other night where five 13-14 y.o.
built a model car (powered by whipped cream soda "bombs") and won the
international championship in London? CAD design, wind tunnel testing,
advanced mathematics and analysis to make it all happen. they even
picked up accreditation for the design software they used.
the point? they were aided and abetted by local industry wanting to
foster advanced design skills - get to 'em young. Industry is thinking
now is a lost cause but if they *start* now then it'll kick in in 4-5
years.
<quote>
If every CF shop in Australia approached their local High Schools or any
other teaching institution where IT is taught, and offered at least one work
experience position each year, then this would be a good start. You should
be able to get someone with a little IT knowledge to be able to do something
useful with CF in a week or so.
</quote>
any employers out there wanting to throw their 2c in regarding the
feasability of having work experiance "office juniors"?
I don't want to dampen a potentially really good idea but IMHO, it may
be really hard to pull off...it seems what's wanted is experiance to
get the job done, especially when systems are so complex that even the
developers work hard to keep on top if it. added to that is the
employee to act as a mentor which takes them out of the core
development... I'm throwing up "descent" to spark debate and
solutions, that's all.
at the moment I'm thinking (out loud) how to get CF training to high
schools, possibly using my son's school as a guinea pig. I certainly
can't trust the teachers there to do a decient job of it but it might
provide some core CF knowledge and experiance that could make the
learning curve easier...and much better candidates for work
experiance.
but here's the stumbling block: Skills are one issue, supply is another
getting teenages to think of the future and choose careers is like
hearding cats! getting training to schools is one thing - getting
bottoms on seats is quite a different matter. IT is no longer cool. IT
is hard work full of contracts and lay-offs. Hell, kids today would be
better of being plumbers or builders (they get paid far more than me
it seems)...
"apprenticeships"...hmmm...what's that?
eh my 2c
(I'll shut up now...the issue - training - is far too close to home
for me - I'll end up doing a Barnes-esque rant...oops! I already
have...)
Scott Barnes
The details of how software gets written, tends to get overlooked.
Usually thats left up to the IT Departments to figure out - yet - from
a business decision / reason for having it exist is simple. "I just
want to save stuff to my database".
Fostering a CF Program really has no benefit to anyone in the wider
business community unless you specialise in outsourcing coders. I've
seen where I'm at personally, millions of dollars being spent on
solutions that just happen to have say j2ee behind it or something
along those lines. It doesn't specify that we need to as part of our
requriments have a unified approach to technology (its just merely
recommended).
I bring this up here, as most IT departments can "recommend" a
technology be consolidated down to a "Java Shop" or "MS Shop" - but
thats it.
So from a business hat, "who cares, just get my database built
online". That's how they see it.
Its usually why we CF'ers exist and if you want to bend a company to
hire more CF programmers, you need to first illustrate the end
solution (ie think 2 years ahead) and then say "they are resources
needed" - then you may stand a chance in fostering a CF proggy.
--
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.mossyblog.com
Patrick Branley
In my uni days i did a course at newcastle uni on web-engineering:
http://ccdb.newcastle.edu.au/ccdb/ctspage.cfm?sdsb_subjCodeList=SENG2050
Note: most of the uni's site is in CF , but all the compSci students learn java and the info science studends to .net
That was interesting about this course. Altho 90% of it was JSP/Servlet programming we did one little section on PHP. Comparing / Contrasting how easy it was to do diff tasks in diff languages gives u a very good perspective on the usefullness of learning a language.
I would say that Adobe should push (like MS does to get .net stuff taught at universities) to get ColdFusion considered as another alternative for students evaluate.
when u they see the light that 'hey i can do a query on a database and output the results in about 5 lines instead of 20' it may lead to more cf programmers out there.
Pat
Dale Fraser
But I think with .NET Express products, which make it free for one and all
to develop, client, server & web applications in one ide with your choice of
languages, UNI's will most likely adopt this.
I'm sure this is the reason Microsoft made these products, get it into the
uni, everyone comes out familiar.
Regards
Dale Fraser
> <mailto:darren...@suncorp.com.au>
Barry Beattie
also some places already have things like DreamWeaver as part of their
SOE for students
Dale Fraser
CF7 & Eclipse is a Far Stretch from Visual Studio Express.
I love CF, but personally, if I were a teacher, I would NOT want to teach
any language that didn't provide interactive breakpoint debugging.
It's the all in one integrated free solution that will appeal to schools.
Not Ohh, get CF Developer & Eclipse & MySQL and you can do something for
free, after spending a day configuring it.
Or Get Visual Studio Express and run it, and start writing code that will
run locally with no config.
M@ Bourke
that teaches students java because there java IDE has no auto tabbing thingo lol(forget the fancy word, brain lapse) as well as .net studio stuff, because they don't want the students thinking that programming code layout is all done by the IDE
And also tafes have them setup web server, database server etc, so they have to install all the diff programs etc.
hence the reason CF is a good choice for that.
I know some CF devs from the US who learnt it in either Uni or a Tafe style thingo.
I think smart places will teach students about diff programs like eclipse, no use having people entering the market thinking visual studio is the only way you can write programs and IE is the only way you can surf the web.
Dale Fraser
I think smart uni's will teach OO languages that provide interactive
breakpoint debugging.
Regards
Dale Fraser
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