Donnie Darko

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I can finally feel "hip" again now that I've finally got around to
seeing Donnie Darko. My wife lasted about 20 minutes into it before
she thought it was too weird. I think the bunny turned her off to the
movie :) I watched the director's cut which did seem to make a lot of
sense. Right after I finished the movie at 2:00am I hit the web
trying to find other people's opinions/thoughts of the movie and
realized how much they put back into the director's cut.

I loved the movie, but I'm still a little confused about it. I'm
planning on watching the commentary with Kevin Smith and the director
some time soon.

BTW, netflix is pretty damn cool. Finally, I'm able to pick out some
movies, because it's not my wife going to Blockbuster and her trying
to pick out movies we'll both "like" :)


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Definitely a good movie! I just saw it on cable so I'm guessing it
wasn't the director's cut. Now I'm going to have to read up to see how
much is different and if I need to see it again.

I really loved the visualization of temporal intentionality.

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I saw this movie not long after it first came out, and hated it.

maybe i'll have to give it another shot.... :/

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it was a ...different kind of movie. a 2nd viewing might not change
your mind :)

I'm still on the fence as to whether or not it was such a deeply
profound movie that i didn't "get it" all...or if it was just a bad
movie :)

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I ran across this movie on HBO last year, and just had to watch it because
the cable guide said: "Man follows the advice of a 6-foot imaginary rabbit".

I ended up really liking it. (plus the Gary Joules *think thats his name*
tune was perfect)

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Tears for Fears did it better.... :)

On 7/5/05, G <brian...@si-intl-kc.com> wrote:
> I ran across this movie on HBO last year, and just had to watch it because
> the cable guide said: "Man follows the advice of a 6-foot imaginary rabbit".
>
> I ended up really liking it. (plus the Gary Joules *think thats his name*
> tune was perfect)
>
>
> >I saw this movie not long after it first came out, and hated it.
> >
> > maybe i'll have to give it another shot.... :/
> >
>
>
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bah, i disagree. (even though i usually go for the original, i just can't
stand TFF)

> Tears for Fears did it better.... :)
>
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I kind of previewed the directors commentary and he does answer a lot
of questions people had sent into him during the commentary.

It's almost an interview by Kevin Smith as he's the one asking all
these questions people wrote it.

I think the biggest thing they included in this cut is excerpts from
the "The Philosophy of Time Travel" interposed onto the screen during
the transitions.

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I like TFF but didn't like their original rendition of the song... the
TFF rendition was just way too fast and "cheerful"... This is one of a
very few covers I would describe as having been very well done.

> bah, i disagree. (even though i usually go for the
> original, i just can't stand TFF)

>> Tears for Fears did it better.... :)

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Oh yah - do give it another shot. I was totally impressed with it.
Excellent flick on so many levels.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:in...@turnkey.to]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:53 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Donnie Darko
>
> I like TFF but didn't like their original rendition of the song... the
> TFF rendition was just way too fast and "cheerful"... This is one of a
> very few covers I would describe as having been very well done.

I dunno - Joe Cocker's made a good career out of doing very well done
covers. ;^)

I actually really like a good cover - and by "good" I mean a cover that
presents a completely difference experience than the original. Nobody would
ever confuse Joe Cocker's "With a Little Help from my Friends" with the
Beatles version.

I love them both, but they're different statements. Ringo is pretty upbeat;
depressed, but secure and counting his blessings. His friends keep him from
feeling too sorry for himself. Joe is gut-wrenchingly thankful. His
friends have kept him from throwing himself from a bridge.

It's also really interesting to me to hear cross-genre covers. There have
been some great, fun covers of classic songs like "It's a Wonderful World"
over the years.

Those cover's that are competent, but just don't add anything new, just
aren't as interesting to me. The Coors have a cover of Crowded House's
"Don't Dream it's Over" that getting some play now - but it's the exactly
same song, same arrangement, same everything.

The Goo Goo Dolls cover of "Give a Little Bit" is the same way (although I
do love it).

In both these cases I like the covers, I think, just because I like the
bands so much. These songs are loving homage's to their inspirations.

You also get the sense that if the songs didn't exist then these would be
the bands to create them. ;^)

But although I like the covers I've got the same "idea" about them - I want
to listen to them at the same time. With a really good cover you reach for
that at times when you'd never reach for the original.

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I hate the regularly released covers of "Big Yellow Taxi".

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:marlon...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:03 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Donnie Darko
>
> I can finally feel "hip" again now that I've finally got around to
> seeing Donnie Darko. My wife lasted about 20 minutes into it before
> she thought it was too weird. I think the bunny turned her off to the
> movie :) I watched the director's cut which did seem to make a lot of
> sense. Right after I finished the movie at 2:00am I hit the web
> trying to find other people's opinions/thoughts of the movie and
> realized how much they put back into the director's cut.
>
> I loved the movie, but I'm still a little confused about it. I'm
> planning on watching the commentary with Kevin Smith and the director
> some time soon.

I've not seen the director's cut and I might. I liked it - it was a clever
little idea done (and everything "The Butterfly Effect" failed to be) but
I'm still not sure about its tremendous cult status.

I mean I liked it - it was good. It did have its share of dumbass parts and
plot holes but no more than any other good movie. But still... it's become
like some kind of youth anthem or something and that confuses me.

> BTW, netflix is pretty damn cool. Finally, I'm able to pick out some
> movies, because it's not my wife going to Blockbuster and her trying
> to pick out movies we'll both "like" :)

Yeah - I love them. We cancelled our account when we found we were
overwhelmed between downloads, the DVR, On Demand and Netflix. This last TV
season was really good - there was just too much too watch.

We might start it up again for the summer tho'. The Really nice thing is
that they have ALL the TV discs that regular rental places won't carry. I
watched all of "Deep Space Nine", "Babylon 5" and "The X-Files", "The
Sopranos" and "Six Feet Under" from Netflx - none of the local stores had
them and we paid a lot less getting them from Netflix.

They also have a HUGE anime section - I finally got to watch all of "Neon
Genesis Evangelion", "Princess Nine" and "Bubblegum Crisis" without having
to fork up all the cash to buy them.

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I kinda liked the one by Counting Crows, but I got tired of it pretty
quickly.

The mix CD in my car's player right now has some great covers:
Lords of Acid: Lady Marmalade
Brian Setzer Orchestra: Pensylvania 6-5000
??? doing an acapella version of What I Got
Aerosmith & Run DMC: Walk This Way (not really a cover, but a good version)
Zoot Suit Riot: Brown Eyed Girl

--Ben

Matthew Small wrote:
> I hate the regularly released covers of "Big Yellow Taxi".

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Boy, there's nothing better than Mariah Carey's remake of the Def
Leppard classic, "Bringin' on the Heartbreak". That chick can rock!

Okay, I'll take my tongue out of my cheek now.

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> Those cover's that are competent, but just don't add
> anything new, just aren't as interesting to me.
> The Coors have a cover of Crowded House's "Don't
> Dream it's Over" that getting some play now - but
> it's the exactly same song, same arrangement,
> same everything.

This is the reason I don't understand Limp Bizkit's cover of Behind
Blue Eyes.

I do like the recent covers of Cat Stevens The First Cut Is The
Deepest (Sheryl Crow) and Pink Floyd's The Wall (don't remember --
Disturbed? ).

> The Goo Goo Dolls cover of "Give a Little Bit" is the same
> way (although I do love it).

The Sheryl Crow cover is nearly identical, so I'm not entirely certain
why I like it except that perhaps the song itself is somewhat totemic
for me.

My craft name is "try" which, as odd as it might sound came to me by
way of the song... "and they've taken almost all that I've got, but if
you want I'll _try_ to love again." When I was considering a craft
name I considered something more mainstream (for a craft name) but
none of the more "traditional" sounding names felt to me like they fit
my skin...

I just couldn't be comfortable telling someone to call me
"river-dancing leafy-tree spirit". I've met lots of people who are
comfortable with names like "Laughing Oak" and the names seem even to
fit them when I put the name to them from outside... they just don't
fit on me... but because that's the common theme with craft names,
that's what I got hung-up on when I was considering my own until I
happened to be thinking about it at the same time that I was paying
attention to the lyrics of The First Cut.

Beyond the specific romantic implications of the song, the name itself
is an assertion of tenacity and an affirmation and reminder of the
expirimental nature of life.

The irony is that the shorter name actually requires an explanation
often because in the neo-pagan community when someone says "I'm
Laughing Oak" it's generally accepted and understood, but when I say
"I'm Try" I typically get the question "You're who?" or "Try what?".
It's so short and so unusual (for a craft name) that people don't
understand that it _is_ a craft name at first. I suppose it's not the
length either, because "Raven" and "Talon" are generally received the
same way "Laughing Oak" is received... Maybe it's because it's a verb
and it'd be received the same way if someone introduced themselves as
"Laugh" instead of "Laughter". :P Though the only noun equivalent I
can think of is "attempt" which just doesn't have the same ring to it.
:P

> You also get the sense that if the songs didn't exist then
> these would be the bands to create them. ;^)

The recent cover of the Wall is much more ... bitter? ... It's a much
more passionate song... and I think it does real justice to the idea
behind the lyrics. And it's the sort of song I'd have expected from
that band too. :)

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I do like the recent covers of Cat Stevens The First Cut Is The Deepest (Sheryl Crow) and Pink Floyd's The Wall (don't remember -- Disturbed? ).

It's Korn.. and it's the second cover they've scored with, they did a cover of "Word Up" that sounded better than the original.

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> My craft name is "try" which, as odd as it might sound came to me by
> way of the song... "and they've taken almost all that I've got, but if
> you want I'll _try_ to love again." When I was considering a craft
> name I considered something more mainstream (for a craft name) but
> none of the more "traditional" sounding names felt to me like they fit
> my skin...

I'm Try.
Try what?
That's my name. Try.
Oh, right then. I'm the Doctor.
Doctor Who?
Exactly.

--Ben

PS: Craft name? Define, please.

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> I do like the recent covers of Cat Stevens The First Cut
> Is The Deepest (Sheryl Crow) and Pink Floyd's The Wall
> (don't remember -- Disturbed? ).

> It's Korn.. and it's the second cover they've scored with,
> they did a cover of "Word Up" that sounded better than the
> original.

Now that's a surprise... I generally dislike Korn. I wouldn't say hate
-- it's not that strong, but I would never buy one of their albums.

They had a brief cameo in an episode of Monk I saw during the marathon
yesterday. Great episode, with the guy from the movie Pros and Cons
(damn, wish I could remember his name) also guest-starring as a
down-on-his luck attorney who uses the episode's McGuffin (a multi-car
wreck on a rural highway) as a convenient source for client leads
(ambulance chasing of course).

"I wish there were a paramedic here to document it..."

"You mean treat it."

"What did you think I'm so callous, of course you document it first,
then you treat it."

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Yeah, my taste in metal tends to lean towards old school, or the Euro-power bands. But I've been known to delve into some of the extreme stuff.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:in...@turnkey.to]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 3:35 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Donnie Darko
>

> They had a brief cameo in an episode of Monk I saw during the marathon
> yesterday. Great episode, with the guy from the movie Pros and Cons
> (damn, wish I could remember his name) also guest-starring as a

Larry Miller - great comic. ;^)

He unfortunately seems to always get cast as the uptight dean or the uptight
manager or the uptight neighbor.

He does a great bit about the "Stages of drunkenness" that's not to be
missed and he's responsible for one of my all time favorite lines. "Women
say that they want sex just as much as men... but they have no idea. It's
the difference between shooting a bullet and throwing it."

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:in...@turnkey.to]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 3:35 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Donnie Darko
>

> They had a brief cameo in an episode of Monk I saw during the marathon
> yesterday. Great episode, with the guy from the movie Pros and Cons
> (damn, wish I could remember his name) also guest-starring as a

Larry Miller - great comic. ;^)

He unfortunately seems to always get cast as the uptight dean or the uptight
manager or the uptight neighbor.

He does a great bit about the "Stages of drunkenness" that's not to be
missed and he's responsible for one of my all time favorite lines. "Women
say that they want sex just as much as men... but they have no idea. It's
the difference between shooting a bullet and throwing it."

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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:in...@turnkey.to]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 3:35 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: RE: Donnie Darko
>>
>> They had a brief cameo in an episode of Monk I saw
>> during the marathon yesterday. Great episode, with
>> the guy from the movie Pros and Cons (damn, wish I
>> could remember his name) also guest-starring as a

> Larry Miller - great comic. ;^)

> He unfortunately seems to always get cast as the uptight
> dean or the uptight manager or the uptight neighbor.

Or the uptight father in 10 Things I Hate About You (a modern
rendition of Taming of the Shrew).

There was a drama with Ray Liotta and Whoopi Goldberg that I didn't
really care for (and so can't remember the name offhand) in which he
had a couple of lines that I really liked.

"What are thay saying?"

"Good things, good things"

"Like what?"

"They say 'when are we gonna get the old johnny back?' and I say
'soon, very soon' and they say 'good because it's your job too', and
it's all very positive."

And the other one was:

"You need someone to talk to. You've got me, but frankly, I never
liked you very much."

Both of these delivered by the manager of a guy who writes "jingles"
for an add agency in the 50's.

> He does a great bit about the "Stages of drunkenness"
> that's not to be missed and he's responsible for one
> of my all time favorite lines. "Women say that they
> want sex just as much as men... but they have no idea.
> It's the difference between shooting a bullet and
> throwing it."

heh... nice. :)

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> > Larry Miller - great comic. ;^)

Larry Miller was also the author of one of my favorite jokes:

"Why would people who divorce want to get remarried, isn't that like
putting spoiled milk back into the fridge and saying, 'maybe it'll be
better tomorrow?'"

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>> My craft name is "try" which, as odd as it might sound
>> came to me by
>> way of the song... "and they've taken almost all that
>> I've got, but if
>> you want I'll _try_ to love again." When I was
>> considering a craft
>> name I considered something more mainstream (for a craft
>> name) but
>> none of the more "traditional" sounding names felt to me
>> like they fit
>> my skin...

> I'm Try.
> Try what?
> That's my name. Try.
> Oh, right then. I'm the Doctor.
> Doctor Who?
> Exactly.

I was the Doctor once upon a time... :) Actually when I was on the old
dialup BBS in Dallas I used to have the handle Merlin... was actually
reasonably well known by that name amongst the BBS crowd in Dallas.
And I went to the sci-fi conventions there and I dressed horribly
outlandishly for such (as one would expect from the character,
although not patterned after any of the incarnations), and I was the
co-sysop of a BBS called the Space-Time VorTeX of which the sysop's
handle was "the Doctor" (and of course, with an ANSI-art animation of
the TARDIS on the log-on screen for the BBS). Later they aired an
episode of the show with the 7th actor (don't remember his name) in
which it was revealed that the Arthurian legends did have a source and
that Merlin had in fact been one of the incarnations of the Doctor.
But that didn't happen until long after I'd been using the handle
Merlin and had been the co-sysop on the Space-Time VorTeX.

> --Ben

> PS: Craft name? Define, please.

A craft name is a common affectation in neo-pagan (particularly
wiccan) circles. It's similar to the descriptive names given to indian
children, although it's self-selected. I think some indian tribes
did/do traditionally have their members choose a name as part of their
rites of adulthood (I wish our culture had some widespread and
reasonable rites of adulthood -- as opposed to the 3 we have: getting
your drivers license, getting drunk (smoking for some) and having
uneducated sex with another teenager in the back of a car -- body-art
would be okay but is still not mainstream enough to be a widespread
cultural substitute). I could be wrong (about indian tribes having
self-chosen names), I haven't done a lot of research on the subject,
it's just what I've heard.

In neo-pagan circles they're typically referred to either as a "craft
name" or a "magikal name" (note the tragically popular spelling of
"magikal")... I prefer "craft" (as in "witchcraft") for stylistic
reasons. The term "magical name" (even when spelled with the k) just
sounds too much like a Disneyism to me... "Oh goodness no, deary, that
won't do at all... You can't possibly go to the ball without a magical
name."

At least for myself (and I suspect for others) it's an aid in
establishing identity in a world in which personal identity seems to
be eroding (or perhaps eroded). The same is often true of body-art,
which in some cases also has the advantage of including "tribal
energy" of which I'd love to get/have more. (the energy, not the body
art -- I'd like both actually, but I was talking about the energy in
this context. :)

Unfortunately I'm currently tied to a geographic area where what
little tribal energy I had (before we left to go back to Dallas for a
year) has eroded since we left. There was a really great Unitarian
fellowship in town here, just not far from where we live, and there
was a poly community meeting at their building... Then we left and
some materialistic, self-centered pagan wanna-be's took over the
fellowship (which likely would have happened if we'd never left) and
the poly group has dwindled to nothingness -- several regulars left
and the ones who remained are too busy to attend regularly, so they're
not meeting "until further notice".

All of which really blows... Both the fellowship and the poly group
were my _only_ social outlets in town... :-( I even tried to find a
HeroClix group here because that was a social outlet for me when we
were in Dallas but apparently nobody over the age of 13 really plays
here. We didn't get tied to a really great UU church/fellowship in
Dallas (there was a mostly pagan UU church not too far away but it
wasn't as good a fit for us and one of the regulars kind of sleezed
Tiff up), but I had a number of individual friends I visited with
frequently -- I don't have that here either.

Anyway... sorry for the venting...

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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:in...@turnkey.to]

>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:53 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: Donnie Darko
>>
>> I like TFF but didn't like their original rendition of
>> the song... the
>> TFF rendition was just way too fast and "cheerful"...
>> This is one of a
>> very few covers I would describe as having been very well
>> done.

> I dunno - Joe Cocker's made a good career out of doing
> very well done covers. ;^)

Okay, for the record it occurs to me that most of James Taylors
"Greatest Hits" are covers... and I love that album (except Steam
Roller which I never play). :)

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All Along the Watchtower. Yes, it's ancient but I feel a need to bring
it up... even Dylan said that Hendrix did it better.

Dana

On 7/5/05, S. Isaac Dealey <in...@turnkey.to> wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:in...@turnkey.to]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:53 AM
> >> To: CF-Community
> >> Subject: Re: Donnie Darko
> >>
> >> I like TFF but didn't like their original rendition of
> >> the song... the
> >> TFF rendition was just way too fast and "cheerful"...
> >> This is one of a
> >> very few covers I would describe as having been very well
> >> done.
>
> > I dunno - Joe Cocker's made a good career out of doing
> > very well done covers. ;^)
>
> Okay, for the record it occurs to me that most of James Taylors
> "Greatest Hits" are covers... and I love that album (except Steam
> Roller which I never play). :)
>
> s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080
> new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
>
> add features without fixtures with
> the onTap open source framework
>
> http://www.fusiontap.com
> http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm
>
>
>

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I was listening to one of my favorite covers today on the drive into work.

House of Lords - Can't Find My Way Home.

On 7/5/05, Ben Doom <bdoo...@moonbow.com> wrote:
> I kinda liked the one by Counting Crows, but I got tired of it pretty
> quickly.
>
> The mix CD in my car's player right now has some great covers:
> Lords of Acid: Lady Marmalade
> Brian Setzer Orchestra: Pensylvania 6-5000
> ??? doing an acapella version of What I Got
> Aerosmith & Run DMC: Walk This Way (not really a cover, but a good version)
> Zoot Suit Riot: Brown Eyed Girl
>
> --Ben
>
> Matthew Small wrote:
> > I hate the regularly released covers of "Big Yellow Taxi".
>
>
>