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just saw on the news.. bunch of explosions in the london tubes. :(
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And buses from the streaming news we're getting...


Looks like the cell phone networks are either flooded or turned off as
none of us in the office can make outgoing calls or texts

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i was just able to get ahold of a mate of mine over there but it took
forever to connect.

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Tubes shut down, busses not running in center, 20 dead...

On 07/07/05, Gregorio Stephanopolis IV <k0rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i was just able to get ahold of a mate of mine over there but it took
> forever to connect.
>
> On 7/7/05, JediHomer <jedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And buses from the streaming news we're getting...
> >
> >
> > Looks like the cell phone networks are either flooded or turned off as
> > none of us in the office can make outgoing calls or texts
> >
> >
> > On 07/07/05, Gregorio Stephanopolis IV <k0rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > just saw on the news.. bunch of explosions in the london tubes. :(
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man..
i feel bad for purposley not watching or listenning to news for over a week now.

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make that 2, bloody radio spreading FUD

On 07/07/05, JediHomer <jedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tubes shut down, busses not running in center, 20 dead...
>
>
> On 07/07/05, Gregorio Stephanopolis IV <k0rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > i was just able to get ahold of a mate of mine over there but it took
> > forever to connect.
> >
> > On 7/7/05, JediHomer <jedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > And buses from the streaming news we're getting...
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks like the cell phone networks are either flooded or turned off as
> > > none of us in the office can make outgoing calls or texts
> > >
> > >
> > > On 07/07/05, Gregorio Stephanopolis IV <k0rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > just saw on the news.. bunch of explosions in the london tubes. :(
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I heard on the radio varied reports from 2 - 20.

Adam H

> On 07/07/05, JediHomer <jedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Tubes shut down, busses not running in center, 20 dead...
> >
> >

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yea, i just heard that the total is 20 with 2 at the edgware road blast.

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With reports of 9 explosions I suspect it will be higher then 20!

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It's an awful thing. I'm chatting right now with people I know in
London. Hopefully people on this list are okay. Fortunately, the
reported scale of damage and casualties has been steadily dropping as
more information comes in.

On 7/7/05, Gregorio Stephanopolis IV <k0rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> just saw on the news.. bunch of explosions in the london tubes. :(

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> Kevin wrote:
> Fortunately, the
> reported scale of damage and casualties has been steadily dropping as
> more information comes in.
>

Yes, I've heard 2 confirmed dead and 300 injured. London,
unfortunately, has lots of experience with this via the IRA in the 70s
and 80s. Consequently they have security cameras all over downtown
London and hopefully this will help find the bombers.

The London response teams look very prepared and well trained.

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Called all our friends and clients and everyone is fine.
Why do these people have to do stuff like this?
<sad>

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Because they're too cowardly to simply stand up and fight, they have to hide behind the innocent.

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From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:elwa...@ruwebby.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:02 am
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: London??
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Called all our friends and clients and everyone is fine.
Why do these people have to do stuff like this?
<sad>

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You want to talk FUD?

Some years ago I was in Costa Rica (school trip oddly enough) when the
big earthquake hit the oposite coast. The newspapers reported the
absolute, maximum number of people killed in the earthquake every day.
The first day it was 2 people -- no more than 2 people, everyone else
was accounted for, there would be no other boddies found. Whudaya know
the next day it was 14... but that was ABSOLUTELY it, everyone else
was accuonted for, they wouldn't find any more bodies... Whuddaya know
the next day it was 20 or 30 someodd... but there was ABSOLUTELY NO
WAY they were going to find any more boddies... Ultimately I think the
death toll from that earthquake ended up being somewhere between 50
and 100.

> make that 2, bloody radio spreading FUD

> On 07/07/05, JediHomer <jedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tubes shut down, busses not running in center, 20 dead...

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Shit like this makes it hard for me to sit at my desk.

Here's my thoughts. Why after Perl Harbor did 18 million Americans enlist?
Why did we convert to a completely war time economy?

I know I don't agree with a lot of what our federal government is doing, but
damnit someone needs to do something to stop the countries that are
exporting this shit.

Tim

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From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:elwa...@ruwebby.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: London??

Called all our friends and clients and everyone is fine.
Why do these people have to do stuff like this?
<sad>

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I'm glad all your friends are okay. I don't know, Erika ... They love hatred and death more than they love life.
<sad with Erika>

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Al Qaeda bombed some trains in Spain, and the government promptly gave in to
their demands and pulled out of Iraq. I said at the time, no matter what you
felt about the war, this was a VERY dangerous precedent being set. Sadly, it
was a matter of time before the same attack was employed somewhere else.

You simply cannot give in to terrorrist's demands.

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I agree as did most of the world back in 2001. We had the world ready
to support an anti-terrorist campaign that could have knocked these
idiots out. We could have tracked them down and killed or captured the
vast majority of them. Instead bush opted to invade Iraq and turn the
world against us. Hopefully this will re-ignite the anti-terrorist
campaign and get the focus in the right area this time.

Tim>>>>

Shit like this makes it hard for me to sit at my desk.

Here's my thoughts. Why after Perl Harbor did 18 million Americans
enlist?
Why did we convert to a completely war time economy?

I know I don't agree with a lot of what our federal government is doing,
but
damnit someone needs to do something to stop the countries that are
exporting this shit.

Tim

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Hopefully, but I doubt it.

Some rich international mogul will use it to make money.

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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:38 AM
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Can you say Haliburton?

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So much for the honey pot theory of getting involved in Iraq.

The problem now is that all these foreign fighters who have survived
are now highly trained in urban terrorism and gurilla operations.
Things are now going to get a lot worse as they go back to their
countries of residence and apply what they've learned.

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> Can you say Haliburton?

nope...makes me queasy...

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> Larry wrote:
> Things are now going to get a lot worse as they go back to their
> countries of residence and apply what they've learned.
>

Well, tactically, Iraq and major western cities are totally different
environments so I don't think their urban tactics are a worry (yet).
However, Iraq is helping to attract and then develop psychos into
battle experienced leaders that will be exported. For example, Carlos
the Jackal.

As I've said before, you can't rid the world of pests with a local
attractant - it just kills the dumb ones. The smart ones get that
much more clever and go train others.

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SStewart wrote:

> Erika L Walker-Arnold wrote:
>> Why do these people have to do stuff like this?
>

> Because they're too cowardly to simply stand up and fight, they have
> to hide behind the innocent.

It has nothing to do with cowardice. It is a simple matter of economics: standing up and fighting has a significantly lower ROI then terrorism.

Jochem

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In my mind it has everything to do with cowardice, the only ROI in terrorism is involving people that have nothing to do with your particular beef.

There is *some* honor (more honor in finding a peaceful solution)in two sides meeting on the field of battle and slugging it out. There is none in planting a bomb in a train station and running away to set it off remotely.

The former, you're a warrior, a freedom fighter etc. The latter, you're a criminal, a murderer, and a coward.

I don't want to stir up a shitstorm with these statements, it's my personal gut-reaction opinion and nothing more or less.

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-----Original Message-----

From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:joc...@oli.tudelft.nl]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 01:46 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: London??

Importance: Low

SStewart wrote:
> Erika L Walker-Arnold wrote:
>> Why do these people have to do stuff like this?
>
> Because they're too cowardly to simply stand up and fight, they have
> to hide behind the innocent.

It has nothing to do with cowardice. It is a simple matter of economics: standing up and fighting has a significantly lower ROI then terrorism.

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I remember being in London when the IRA was bombing the Tube. I hate
this. I just saw the headline as I was coming into the building. No
one has claimed responsibility yet? I hope this isn't the Irish thing
starting up again. I hope they catch these people....

Dana

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Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility. This is however not confirmed.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.timeline/

My dad lives over there but I am going to hope he was not in London
today. If so well -- he was a war correspondent. He knows the drill.

Dana

On 7/7/05, Gregorio Stephanopolis IV <k0rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> just saw on the news.. bunch of explosions in the london tubes. :(

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I've been watching CNN for an hour. Al-Queda has NOT taken
responsibility for this attack.

There are a lot of groups that have a similar name and who have
adopted A-Queda as a part of their name. In this case, the exact
English name of the group that has claimed responsibility has never
been heard of before and the attempt to take credit is not considered
credible.

On 7/7/05, Dana <dana.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility. This is however not confirmed.
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.timeline/
>
> My dad lives over there but I am going to hope he was not in London
> today. If so well -- he was a war correspondent. He knows the drill.
>
> Dana
>
> On 7/7/05, Gregorio Stephanopolis IV <k0rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > just saw on the news.. bunch of explosions in the london tubes. :(
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Again with the blaming Al Qaeda. The official findings are that the
evidence points to a group "associated with Al Qaeda." I'm "associated
with" all of you. "Associated with" means basically nothing. I'm not
saying that Al Qaeda isn't bad; I'm just saying that you should be
accurate when laying blame.

One thing that people fail to take into account with terrorists is
that their biggest demand, even if unstated, is "Pay attention to us."
Whatever group did this has probably already achieved their goals
without even listing any demands. They have our attention. They want
us to say that we aren't going to give into their demands because not
only are we paying attention, but we are actively refusing to fix
something that might actually be a problem. They give us a reason to
actively refuse to fix a possibly legitimate problem and our refusal
to fix it gives them the ammunition to recruit more members. In some
cases it encourages us to invade some foreign country killing innocent
people, giving them more ammunition for recruiting members.

This is about one group's attempt to get power, not about achieving
their stated demands.

On 7/7/05, G <brian...@si-intl-kc.com> wrote:
> Al Qaeda bombed some trains in Spain, and the government promptly gave in to
> their demands and pulled out of Iraq. I said at the time, no matter what you
> felt about the war, this was a VERY dangerous precedent being set. Sadly, it
> was a matter of time before the same attack was employed somewhere else.
>
> You simply cannot give in to terrorrist's demands.

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Hmmm,

"The Secret Organization of Al-Qaeda in Europe" There's a few safe conclusions you can draw from this *IF* it's legitimate

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From: Jennifer Larkin [mailto:jla...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 03:43 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: London??

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"associated with Al Qaeda" is all there is to being Al Qaeda. The
organization itself, is not even an organization. To use the tactics of, to
draw inspiration from, and carry out acts in the name of, Al Qaeda....is to
BE Al Qaeda.

It's a name that has come to mean a common set of terrorist ideals. Whether
you are sporting an Al Qaeda badge, or whether you've endured some induction
ceremony, is not nearly as important as whether you share their ideals and
intentions.

But you are exactly right in your last sentence. They are out to achieve
power, not demands. If we left Iraq, terrorists wouldn't disappear. If
Israel picked up and moved to Saturn, terrorists wouldn't disappear. If we
built each Palestinian a house made of solid gold, terrorists wouldn't
disappear....etc etc...

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No, there are not a few safe conclusions that you can draw from that.
I've already seen a 20 minute dissertation on that not only is that
group not Al Qaeda, but that this does not have the telltale signs of
an Al Qaeda attack.

If you commit fraud, does that mean that Martha Stewart did it?

On 7/7/05, SStewart <SSte...@ecslimited.com> wrote:
> Hmmm,
>
> "The Secret Organization of Al-Qaeda in Europe" There's a few safe conclusions you can draw from this *IF* it's legitimate

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No, it only means she'd get blamed for it :)

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From: Jennifer Larkin [mailto:jla...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 04:02 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: London??
Importance: Low

No, there are not a few safe conclusions that you can draw from that.
I've already seen a 20 minute dissertation on that not only is that
group not Al Qaeda, but that this does not have the telltale signs of
an Al Qaeda attack.

If you commit fraud, does that mean that Martha Stewart did it?

On 7/7/05, SStewart <SSte...@ecslimited.com> wrote:
> Hmmm,
>
> "The Secret Organization of Al-Qaeda in Europe" There's a few safe conclusions you can draw from this *IF* it's legitimate
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OK, well then let's prosecute Jodie Foster for the attempted
assassination of Ronald Reagan. I mean, it was done in her name. By
your logic John Hinkley IS Jodie Foster.

On 7/7/05, G <brian...@si-intl-kc.com> wrote:
> "associated with Al Qaeda" is all there is to being Al Qaeda. The
> organization itself, is not even an organization. To use the tactics of, to
> draw inspiration from, and carry out acts in the name of, Al Qaeda....is to
> BE Al Qaeda.
>
> It's a name that has come to mean a common set of terrorist ideals. Whether
> you are sporting an Al Qaeda badge, or whether you've endured some induction
> ceremony, is not nearly as important as whether you share their ideals and
> intentions.

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You really missed the sarcasm there.....

sas

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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 04:14 pm
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume yer joking....

cya monday.

> OK, well then let's prosecute Jodie Foster for the attempted
> assassination of Ronald Reagan. I mean, it was done in her name. By
> your logic John Hinkley IS Jodie Foster.
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aha. All I know is in that article. I have been afk for over two
hours. If you say so you must be right.

Dana

On 7/7/05, Jennifer Larkin <jla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been watching CNN for an hour. Al-Queda has NOT taken
> responsibility for this attack.
>
> There are a lot of groups that have a similar name and who have
> adopted A-Queda as a part of their name. In this case, the exact
> English name of the group that has claimed responsibility has never
> been heard of before and the attempt to take credit is not considered
> credible.
>
> On 7/7/05, Dana <dana.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility. This is however not confirmed.
> >
> > http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.timeline/
> >
> > My dad lives over there but I am going to hope he was not in London
> > today. If so well -- he was a war correspondent. He knows the drill.
> >
> > Dana
> >
> > On 7/7/05, Gregorio Stephanopolis IV <k0rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > just saw on the news.. bunch of explosions in the london tubes. :(
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That could be true if you fail to take into account what message I was
responding to, as quoted in my message. ;)

On 7/7/05, SStewart <SSte...@ecslimited.com> wrote:

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no.... "associated" does not necessarily mean "working with" or
"working for." Anyone can claim credit in the name of whatever.
Doesn't necessarily make it so.

Dana

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Then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are
capable of being logical, even if you refuse to be logical in this
case.

On 7/7/05, G <brian...@si-intl-kc.com> wrote:

> I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume yer joking....
>
> cya monday.
>
> > OK, well then let's prosecute Jodie Foster for the attempted
> > assassination of Ronald Reagan. I mean, it was done in her name. By
> > your logic John Hinkley IS Jodie Foster.

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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume yer joking....

cya monday.

> OK, well then let's prosecute Jodie Foster for the attempted
> assassination of Ronald Reagan. I mean, it was done in her name. By
> your logic John Hinkley IS Jodie Foster.
>

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I got your back. From what I've heard nobody even knows if the named
group even really exists. And them just saying theyre associated may
or may not mean anything.

Plus you get bonus cred for the sig quote.

-Kevin

On 7/7/05, Jennifer Larkin <jla...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No, there are not a few safe conclusions that you can draw from that.
> I've already seen a 20 minute dissertation on that not only is that
> group not Al Qaeda, but that this does not have the telltale signs of
> an Al Qaeda attack.

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SStewart wrote:
> In my mind it has everything to do with cowardice the only ROI in

> terrorism is involving people that have nothing to do with your
> particular beef.

Don't they? What is the difference between the US going after the people that fund Al Quaeda, and Al Quaeda going after the people that fund the US militairy?

> There is *some* honor (more honor in finding a peaceful solution)in
> two sides meeting on the field of battle and slugging it out. There is
> none in planting a bomb in a train station and running away to set it
> off remotely.
>
> The former, you're a warrior, a freedom fighter etc. The latter,
> you're a criminal, a murderer, and a coward.

The former, you are a footnote on page 15. The latter, you are frontpage news for weeks.

> I don't want to stir up a shitstorm with these statements, it's my
> personal gut-reaction opinion and nothing more or less.

Nobody wants a shitstorm. But once you are past that initial gut-reaction, it is a good idea to take a step back and try to look at the subject objectively. If we want to convince them to use other tactics, we have to get the ROI of terrorism down.

Jochem

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"Don't they? What is the difference between the US going after the people that fund Al Quaeda, and Al Quaeda going after the people that fund the US militairy?"

Your loosing sight of the fact that Al-Qaeda's beef isn't just with the US, it's with the whole of Western Civilization, the people in the London Tube had nothing to do with the US military, nor had anything to do with anything other than their own lives.

Al Qaeda isn't any organized army, representing a particular country or countries, they're a criminal enterprise, there's nothing legal or justified about what they do.

" The former, you are a footnote on page 15. The latter, you are frontpage news for weeks."

Your right and it's really sad...

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Okay to get pedantic a "criminal enterprise" would be something that
is in the business of, thus makes money by, breaking the law. My
understanding of their purposes is not monetary but political. It's
one-half of why they specifically are terrorists and not just
criminals.

-Kevin

On 7/7/05, SStewart <SSte...@ecslimited.com> wrote:

> Al Qaeda isn't any organized army, representing a particular country or countries, they're a criminal enterprise,

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Especially if their claim of credit has an ulterior motive like say
encouraging retaliation.

> no.... "associated" does not necessarily mean "working
> with" or
> "working for." Anyone can claim credit in the name of
> whatever.
> Doesn't necessarily make it so.

> Dana

> On 7/7/05, G <brian...@si-intl-kc.com> wrote:

>> "associated with Al Qaeda" is all there is to being Al
>> Qaeda. The
>> organization itself, is not even an organization. To use
>> the tactics of, to
>> draw inspiration from, and carry out acts in the name of,
>> Al Qaeda....is to
>> BE Al Qaeda.
>>
>> It's a name that has come to mean a common set of
>> terrorist ideals. Whether
>> you are sporting an Al Qaeda badge, or whether you've
>> endured some induction
>> ceremony, is not nearly as important as whether you share
>> their ideals and
>> intentions.

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for those interested, there are some pictures here.

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> just saw on the news.. bunch of explosions in the london tubes. :(
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> Dana wrote:
> for those interested, there are some pictures here.
>
> http://flickr.com/groups/bomb/pool/page13/
>

Thanks!

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On 7/7/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> As I've said before, you can't rid the world of pests with a local
> attractant - it just kills the dumb ones. The smart ones get that
> much more clever and go train others.

Well McCain seems to disagree with you.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/7/141722.shtml

Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:55 p.m. EDT
John McCain: We Must Take the Fight to the Enemy

"You've got to go where they're bred, and that happens to be in these
madrassahs that are funded by the Saudis, where the [terrorists] are
taught to hate and destroy the West and everything we stand for.

"We've got to go where these terrorists breed ... in the Middle East,
with the followers of extreme Islamic fundamentalism.

"We can take preventive measures, but the best way to prevent these
attacks is to go after them where they breed."

McCain also defended current U.S. foreign policy that is pushing
democracy all over the world, saying, "Repressive and oppressive
governments also provide the incentives for this kind of extremism and
that's why we're fighting hard for Democracy in the Middle East,
whether it be in Egypt or Iraq or any of these other Middle Eastern
countries - that's why Afghanistan was so important."

McCain also doesn't believe the convoluted notion that we are somehow
creating more terrorists by fighting them.

"These people were bent on our destruction [before] September 11 ...
we had not had a war in Iraq at that time. ... It's clear that there
is a breeding ground of radical Islamic extremism that predates
anything the U.S. has done."

He added, "If you believe that Iraq is a breeding ground, then we
should do everything we can to further the process of democracy and
stability in Iraq."

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> Sam wrote:
> Well McCain seems to disagree with you.
>

Did you read that? Iraq was not a breeding ground for terrorism,
Afghanistan was. Further it's the Saudis, Syrians, and Iranians that
are breeding grounds for "radical Islamic extremism". Hussein was
secular.

Nowhere does he say that if we plop an Army in the Middle East we can
rid the world of terrorism. Further I'd say that no matter what Mr.
McCain says, the London attack proves I'm right.

Unfortunately it's only a matter of time before I'm proven right again
in America.

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Who to believe? McCain or the CIA?

On 7/8/05, Sam <samm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well McCain seems to disagree with you.

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Yes, but I'm wondering if you did :)

On 7/8/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Did you read that? Iraq was not a breeding ground for terrorism,
> Afghanistan was. Further it's the Saudis, Syrians, and Iranians that
> are breeding grounds for "radical Islamic extremism". Hussein was
> secular.
>
> Nowhere does he say that if we plop an Army in the Middle East we can
> rid the world of terrorism. Further I'd say that no matter what Mr.
> McCain says, the London attack proves I'm right.
>
> Unfortunately it's only a matter of time before I'm proven right again
> in America.
>

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And all this talk about he'd make such a great President. There goes that :)

On 7/8/05, Kevin Graeme wrote:
> Who to believe? McCain or the CIA?
>

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It's funny how you lump all of us into one homogeneous whipping boy.

On 7/8/05, Sam <samm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And all this talk about he'd make such a great President. There goes that :)

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You know, given the talk about polyamourous relationships,
homosexuality, serial killers etc., there's something very freudian
about the whipping boy comment - it makes me wonder about sam. Or you
for that matter.

larry

On 7/8/05, Kevin Graeme <kgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's funny how you lump all of us into one homogeneous whipping boy.
>
> On 7/8/05, Sam <samm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And all this talk about he'd make such a great President. There goes that :)
>
>

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Nothing to wonder about. What goes on between consenting adults in the
bedroom, some clubs, and maybe a parade or in the woods at
night...nevermind.

On 7/8/05, Larry C. Lyons <larry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You know, given the talk about polyamourous relationships,
> homosexuality, serial killers etc., there's something very freudian
> about the whipping boy comment - it makes me wonder about sam. Or you
> for that matter.
>
> larry

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> Sam wrote:
> Yes, but I'm wondering if you did :)
>

Mr. McCain is pointing out that we need to fight terrorists where
they're bred; his so-called "breeding grounds for radical Islamic
extremism". Iraq was not one of these breeding grounds.

By invading it, the US has destroyed not a breeding ground, but
created a terrorist training camp many times better than the ones that
existed in Afghanistan. You see, Afghanistan was BOTH a training
ground AND a breeding ground.

Iraq, on the other hand, was neither to any significant degree. How
many Iraqis attacked the US prior to invasion? Zero. How many
Saudis? 15. So where's the breeding ground?

This is why plopping an Army into Iraq and thinking we can exterminate
the terrorists is flawed: the breeding grounds still exist!

As I've said, you can't rid yourself of pests without destroying the
hive and hive is not and was not Iraq: it's Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria,
Pakistan, et al. If you want apples go to the tree.

BTW - I'll bet dollars to donuts that if they catch London bombers
that not a single one is Iraqi. The "draw them out" policy is utterly
false.

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> Kevin wrote:
> Nothing to wonder about. What goes on between consenting adults in the
> bedroom, some clubs, and maybe a parade or in the woods at
> night...nevermind.
>

LOOK! We didn't think anyone was around! sheesh.

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You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.


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A quibble point Gruss - Iraqi forces before the invasion attacked US
and coalition forces on a regular basis. Remember since the first Gulf
War Iraq had 2 very large no-fly zone patrolled by US and coalition
aircraft. The Iraqi army regularly tried to shoot them down, usually
resulting in an Iraqi anti-aircraft missle or battery, or an electric
plant being bombed by US forces.

larry

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Congrats! Except for the republican, polyamorous, wife killing part,
you're welcome to dinner at my house anytime!

Matthew Small wrote:
> You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
> everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
> pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.
>
>
> Matt Small
>
>
>
>

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Welcome to California! We have muffins.

On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:
> You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
> everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
> pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.

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> Matthew wrote:
> You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
> everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
> pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.
>

You're welcome.

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There are just some things man isnot supposed to know. And that is one of them.

larry

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Of course you know what the current republican response would be for that:

Burn the Heretic!

larry

On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:

> You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
> everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
> pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.
>
>
> Matt Small
>
>
>
>

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Hmmm, yummy.


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I see that you still discrimate against those who perpetrate beastiality. :)

On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:

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Well, of course, that would just be sick and wrong, not like those other
things. :)

Marlon Moyer wrote:
> I see that you still discrimate against those who perpetrate beastiality. :)
>
>
> On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:
>
>>You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
>>everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
>>pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.
>>
>>
>>Matt Small
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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sarcasm: Thank you for including "polyamorous" with "republican". :)

> Congrats! Except for the republican, polyamorous, wife
> killing part, you're welcome to dinner at my house anytime!

> Matthew Small wrote:
>> You know... after reading all of these posts for these
>> many years,
>> everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal
>> polyamorous homosexual
>> pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.

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Hmmm, yummy.

On 7/8/05, Larry C. Lyons <larry...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Burn the Heretic!
>
> larry

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I believe the politically correct term is zoophilia.

> I see that you still discrimate against those who
> perpetrate beastiality. :)

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> Jennifer wrote:
> Welcome to California! We have muffins.
>

He he. That's funny especially since I'm in a kooky mood. It reminds
me of 2 things:

1.) Everybody Love Raymond: Marie to Robert's father-in-law, "Have a
muffin." FiL: "Oh, no thank you, I don't eat muffins."

2.) Friends: Alec Baldwin to Phoebe: "The brake lights [in the traffic
jam] were beautiful! It was like the twinkling of a 1000 fairies..."

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As do you since you used the word perpetrate. Bestiality seriously
squicks me. I mean, except in cases where the beast involved can speak
English and gives informed consent. Then it's ok.

On 7/8/05, Marlon Moyer <marlon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see that you still discrimate against those who perpetrate beastiality. :)
>
>
> On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:
> > You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
> > everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
> > pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.

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Well once in a while everyone enjoys a cookout.

larry

On 7/8/05, Kevin Graeme <kgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmmm, yummy.
>
> On 7/8/05, Larry C. Lyons <larry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Burn the Heretic!
> >
> > larry
>
>

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squick? that is a new one on me....

i like it!

Jennifer Larkin wrote:
> As do you since you used the word perpetrate. Bestiality seriously
> squicks me. I mean, except in cases where the beast involved can speak
> English and gives informed consent. Then it's ok.
>
> On 7/8/05, Marlon Moyer <marlon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I see that you still discrimate against those who perpetrate beastiality. :)
>>
>>
>>On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
>>>everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
>>>pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.
>
>

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> Larry wrote:
> A quibble point Gruss - Iraqi forces before the invasion attacked US

Touche, Sir Lyons.

However I would add that this was not terrorism and it was as directed
by Mr. Hussein; something not unexpected after the first Gulf War.
That is, while true, this point is unrelated to terrorism.

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I had to include as much as possible. Liberal for almost everyone on the
list, Republican for Sam, Polyamorous for you, homosexual for... I don't
know who, but somebody, wife killing for Gruss :-)

Now that I'm convinced, who's up for an orgy tonight? I already called Karl
Rove, he said he'll be there, as well as Mike Schiavo with his in-laws.


Matt Small

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LOL....just trying to include all the things that I am not...

S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> sarcasm: Thank you for including "polyamorous" with "republican". :)
>
>
>>Congrats! Except for the republican, polyamorous, wife
>>killing part, you're welcome to dinner at my house anytime!
>
>
>>Matthew Small wrote:
>>
>>>You know... after reading all of these posts for these
>>>many years,
>>>everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal
>>>polyamorous homosexual
>>>pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.
>
>
>
> s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080
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Gruss is a wife killer? No woner he seems so happy! No wife to deal
with! It all makes sense now....

Hanging with OJ, Gruss? How's he doin?

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My personal limit would be Amy the gorilla. :)

On 7/8/05, Jennifer Larkin <jla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As do you since you used the word perpetrate. Bestiality seriously
> squicks me. I mean, except in cases where the beast involved can speak
> English and gives informed consent. Then it's ok.
>
> On 7/8/05, Marlon Moyer <marlon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I see that you still discrimate against those who perpetrate beastiality. :)
> >
> >
> > On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:
> > > You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
> > > everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
> > > pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.
>
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> Larry wrote:
> There are just some things man isnot supposed to know. And that is one of them.
>

Well it was dark and we thought that family's tent was ours. Plus the
gladiator helmet made it hard to hear them screaming.

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I think it's funny that people are so averse to it... It's not my
thing, I just always figured that, I guess unless you were feeding
Viagra to your dog, you couldn't mistake an erection for something
other than consent. :P

But I guess, if we were to limit it to "beasts" that can speak English
and give informed consent, I've heard that cockatoos are pretty
intelligent. The name is fitting, although the logistics are puzzling.
:P

Sorry Jen, I just couldn't pass up on these jokes. :)

> As do you since you used the word perpetrate.
> Bestiality seriously squicks me. I mean, except in
> cases where the beast involved can speak English
> and gives informed consent. Then it's ok.

> On 7/8/05, Marlon Moyer <marlon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I see that you still discrimate against those who
>> perpetrate beastiality. :)
>>
>>
>> On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:
>> > You know... after reading all of these posts for these
>> > many years,
>> > everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal
>> > polyamorous homosexual
>> > pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.

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More witches!
Yes, but what else?
......

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Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> Of course you know what the current republican response would be for that:
>
> Burn the Heretic!
>
> larry
>
> On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:
>
>>You know... after reading all of these posts for these many years,
>>everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal polyamorous homosexual
>>pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.
>>
>>
>>Matt Small
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Jennifer Larkin wrote:
> squicks me. I mean, except in cases where the beast involved can speak
> English and gives informed consent. Then it's ok.

Isn't that kinda the definition of a straight male?

--Ben

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We can't attack every country that has terrorists can we? I'm not
saying this is a perfect plan, far from it, but it's our best
available option.
Iraq had offered and provided sanctuary for terrorist as well as
training camps.

On 7/8/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
> As I've said, you can't rid yourself of pests without destroying the
> hive and hive is not and was not Iraq: it's Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria,
> Pakistan, et al. If you want apples go to the tree.

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the ratio of men-2-women isnt right for that sort of talk..

> Now that I'm convinced, who's up for an orgy tonight?

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As I said it was a quibble point. However I can understand why Hussein
would order his forces into such engagements - Iraqis considered the
no-fly zone to be a violation of the country's sovereignty.

larry

On 7/8/05, Gruss Gott <grus...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Larry wrote:
> > A quibble point Gruss - Iraqi forces before the invasion attacked US
>
> Touche, Sir Lyons.
>
> However I would add that this was not terrorism and it was as directed
> by Mr. Hussein; something not unexpected after the first Gulf War.
> That is, while true, this point is unrelated to terrorism.
>
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> I had to include as much as possible. Liberal for almost
> everyone on the list, Republican for Sam, Polyamorous for
> you, homosexual for... I don't know who, but somebody,

Probably me again... :P although technically I'm bisexual...

So if I represent several of the things in your list, then I must be
really interposed... I must be the Anti-Small! ... hmm... hey... I
could use this to my advantage ... :)

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> Jennifer Larkin wrote:
>> squicks me. I mean, except in cases where the beast
>> involved can speak
>> English and gives informed consent. Then it's ok.

> Isn't that kinda the definition of a straight male?

Not sure why he would have to be straight... actually statistically a
gay male is more likely to give consent -- but then, with a gay male
it may not be informed. :P

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I have no problem with straight males. I seem to have a thing for
them, come to think of it.

On 7/8/05, Ben Doom <bdoo...@moonbow.com> wrote:
> Jennifer Larkin wrote:
> > squicks me. I mean, except in cases where the beast involved can speak
> > English and gives informed consent. Then it's ok.
>
> Isn't that kinda the definition of a straight male?

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S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
> But I guess, if we were to limit it to "beasts" that can speak English
> and give informed consent, I've heard that cockatoos are pretty
> intelligent. The name is fitting, although the logistics are puzzling.
> :P

Yeah, but....
Just the thought of that sharp beak....
Maybe Jen's into it, but not this boy.

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S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
> really interposed... I must be the Anti-Small! ... hmm... hey... I

Can we call you Biggie?

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Stud muffins I hope... :P

> Welcome to California! We have muffins.

> On 7/8/05, Matthew Small <msm...@amcity.com> wrote:
>> You know... after reading all of these posts for these
>> many years,
>> everyone's finally convinced me to become a liberal
>> polyamorous homosexual
>> pot smoking wife killing atheist republican.

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I think she came after him with a bat, but then the poison kicked in :)

On 7/8/05, Ray Champagne wrote:
> Gruss is a wife killer? No woner he seems so happy! No wife to deal
> with! It all makes sense now....
>
> Hanging with OJ, Gruss? How's he doin?
>

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On 7/8/05, Paul Ihrig <pih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the ratio of men-2-women isnt right for that sort of talk..
>
> > Now that I'm convinced, who's up for an orgy tonight?

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You're really stretching it by claiming that there were many terrorist
groups pre invasion. Ansar Al Islam and the other terrorist groups,
like the Kurdish People's Party, that were in Iraq before the invasion
were all clustered in the US controlled sections of northern Iraq. So
we are going to invade ourselves next?

Where were the camps? You're making some claims that are simply not
supported by the facts.

On 7/8/05, Sam <samm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We can't attack every country that has terrorists can we? I'm not
> saying this is a perfect plan, far from it, but it's our best
> available option.
> Iraq had offered and provided sanctuary for terrorist as well as
> training camps.
>
>
> On 7/8/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > As I've said, you can't rid yourself of pests without destroying the
> > hive and hive is not and was not Iraq: it's Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria,
> > Pakistan, et al. If you want apples go to the tree.
>
>

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> S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
>> But I guess, if we were to limit it to "beasts" that can
>> speak English
>> and give informed consent, I've heard that cockatoos are
>> pretty
>> intelligent. The name is fitting, although the logistics
>> are puzzling.
>> :P

> Yeah, but....
> Just the thought of that sharp beak....
> Maybe Jen's into it, but not this boy.

Well yeah, that's why I was puzzled by the logistics. :)

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Isn't it more appropriate to say that they have a thing for you? Or
would that be inappropriate?

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On 7/8/05, Jennifer Larkin <jla...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have no problem with straight males. I seem to have a thing for
> them, come to think of it.
>
> On 7/8/05, Ben Doom <bdoo...@moonbow.com> wrote:
> > Jennifer Larkin wrote:
> > > squicks me. I mean, except in cases where the beast involved can speak
> > > English and gives informed consent. Then it's ok.
> >
> > Isn't that kinda the definition of a straight male?
>
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997.html

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- A couple pleaded guilty Thursday to hiring a stripper
for their son's 16th birthday party and were sentenced to two years
probation.

Landon and Anette Pharris, who were charged with contributing the
delinquency of a minor, also were ordered to take parenting classes.

The parents hired the stripper to perform at a September party attended by
about a dozen young people.

Cassandra Joyce Park, 29, who police say used the stage name "Sassy," danced
for a few hours before partygoers took up a collection and paid her $150
more to fully disrobe, Anette Pharris said.

The stripper and the man she was with were also granted probation.

Police were tipped off to the party by a photo developer at a drug store who
saw pictures of the occasion.

Pharris said after being arrested that she tried to do something special for
her son.

"We even had grandpa there," she said.