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Conor

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Dec 22, 2009, 4:43:17 AM12/22/09
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Q: Did you hear the one about the Minister and all those teachers who
are too thick to find uses for technology on their own?
A: Millions for Microsoft


http://www.education.ie/home/home.jsp?maincat=&pcategory=10861&ecategory=10876&sectionpage=12251&language=EN&link=link001&page=1&doc=47547

[Who said there're no jokes worse than those in crackers?]

Stephen McFarlane

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Dec 22, 2009, 5:41:08 AM12/22/09
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Meow!

Getting back to a point raised in a previous post, a lot of teachers are
completely unskilled in even creating based content so one side of me
welcomes this news.

On the other hand, this is a tricky area. Teaching and learning skills
coming from teaching. These are graduates, new to the world of "real"
education. Are we going to end up with endless reams of content that are not
applicable in the classroom context?

Also what subjects get the treatment? Music never gets a mention in most ICT
chat in Irish education and even though it is one of the only subjects where
you can do actual technology "sitting at a computer and making music
(recording, MIDI, sequencing)" at Leaving Cert Level.

Steve


http://www.education.ie/home/home.jsp?maincat=&pcategory=10861&ecategory=108
76&sectionpage=12251&language=EN&link=link001&page=1&doc=47547

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Conor

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Dec 22, 2009, 7:34:27 AM12/22/09
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My money is firmly on the 'content' amounting to nothing much beyond a
clatter of templates that work seamlessly with various the Microsoft
Office components. I am open to correction and hope I am wrong.

And for the record, I know no teacher that is 'completely unskilled'
at creating content - but I know lots that are cynical about another
round of being told what they should know, think and do....

Conor Galvin

John Hegarty

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Dec 22, 2009, 7:57:31 AM12/22/09
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Got to agree with Conor on this .....

Hard to see how getting the tax payer to subsidise IT graduates working for an incredibly rich monopolist producing content that will probably require buying other software from the same monopolist is going to do much for ICT integration in schools. There seems to be a lot more in this for the company in question than there is for teachers and students at 1st and 2nd level.

I'd love to see the text of the "education alliance agreement" - does anyone know if it is available anywhere?

jh

2009/12/22 Conor <conor...@gmail.com>

Mags Amond

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Dec 22, 2009, 8:35:41 AM12/22/09
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My concern - will the materials be classroom tested with real teachers and real studentes as they are being developed. That would be priority...Mags

2009/12/22 John Hegarty <jheg...@clongowes.net>



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David Kearney

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Dec 22, 2009, 9:01:25 AM12/22/09
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To see digital content created by 'real teachers' visit cbiproject.net. CESI
were one of the sponsors of this innovative project.

What I like about Whiteboard resources is that they are "authentic": they
are born out of educational experience ...rather than than being overly
technical (e.g. written as 'Flash applications'). Most of the resources are
created by teachers for their own classrooms; and the resources 'fit' the
curriculum.

Microsoft have identified a market ...and who can blame them for that? If
the scores (hundreds?) of teachers who are adept in creating digital content
shared their resources more, we would quickly fill the void that is
percieved to exist.

Damien Quinn (of Seomra Ranga) and myself have been doing this work for some
time. Could we have a "New Year CESI Resolution" to share our resources???

Kind Regards,
David

Seaghan Moriarty (Digilogue)

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Dec 22, 2009, 12:06:01 PM12/22/09
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Methinks that any project like this needs:

- Appropriate direction from NCTE
- Team leaders with experience in developing and coding education software
- Training for the graduates in whatever tools/platforms are chosen
- Training for the graduates in instructional design / pedagogy
- Excellent project management
And most importantly
- The lead given to teachers who have experience creating and developing
learner-centred content

Kindest Regards,
Seaghan.

Seaghan Moriarty (Digilogue)

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Dec 22, 2009, 12:30:46 PM12/22/09
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I just got 4 emails of my earlier posting
<defensively>I just sent it once - honestly!!</defensively>

Conor

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Dec 22, 2009, 1:37:32 PM12/22/09
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I see Simon Lewis has a bit to say about the MicroBatt luvre-in
too...
http://www.anseo.net/?p=1895


Stephen McFarlane

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Dec 22, 2009, 2:56:17 PM12/22/09
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In regard to Microsoft's role in this they are already heavily involved in
the ICT Ireland project...

http://www.ictireland.ie/Sectors/ICT/ICTDoclib4.nsf/vLookupHTML/Information_
ICT_Classroom?OpenDocument

...Paul Rellis referring to "our vision" is a case in point.

Simon Lewis makes an excellent point regarding the indigenous content
creation companies that exist in Ireland today; why are they not doing it?

Maybe its because these "graduates" are coming in cheap? They are only
getting their FAS/dole payments for doing this so cost is obviously a major
issue.

The DES press release says "They will be employed under the Government's
graduate back-to-work programme which allows them to retain their social
welfare entitlements."

But this means that these graduates are completely unqualified (lacking
HDip/PGDE) to manufacture good teaching and learning material.

Some duality in direction and focus as well, the title of the release is
"College graduates to help develop digital material for schools" but the
last sentence says "the agreement will lead to Microsoft providing resources
and materials for ***teacher professional development in ICT***"; surely
these are completely different things?

Steve

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Cormac

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Dec 24, 2009, 7:38:42 AM12/24/09
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Have to agree with David above.

Sharing existing resources is the answer. Irish teachers just don't
share their resources.

On Dec 22, 7:56 pm, "Stephen McFarlane" <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In regard to Microsoft's role in this they are already heavily involved in
> the ICT Ireland project...
>

> http://www.ictireland.ie/Sectors/ICT/ICTDoclib4.nsf/vLookupHTML/Infor...

> too...http://www.anseo.net/?p=1895


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meoh

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Dec 25, 2009, 7:02:45 PM12/25/09
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Happy Christmas.

I have to disagree with Cormac. Surely this forum is an excellent
example of sharing. As is teachnet.ie. and the many inservices offered
in education centres, CESI meets, etc etc.

Best wishes for 2010

Máire

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Gavin McCullagh

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Dec 26, 2009, 10:03:09 AM12/26/09
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Hi,

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009, Cormac wrote:

> Sharing existing resources is the answer. Irish teachers just don't
> share their resources.

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009, meoh wrote:

> I have to disagree with Cormac. Surely this forum is an excellent
> example of sharing. As is teachnet.ie. and the many inservices offered
> in education centres, CESI meets, etc etc.

Perhaps it would be useful to have some way to encourage/reward/incentivise
production and sharing of content. The primary task of most university
lecturers is usually teaching but research and publishing is a big part of
it too. While I wouldn't expect a teacher to publish in the same academic
journals, if there were a Journal of Irish Science Teaching (or possibly
just of Irish Teaching) which was peer reviewed in a similar way, you would
have a recognised structure both to distribute the content and recognise
the producer.

A few would doubtless submit papers just based on the prestige and the good
of it, but if schools started to recognise a publication record when
considering job applications and promotions, there might be a little more
incentive . If the DES considered a school's publication record when
awarding grants, it would be in the school's interest to recognise
teachers who published.

Just a thought,

Gavin

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