WLAN 101 : Wifi 802.11 templates, hints, and tips?

Donal O

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Hello, have been reading the list and I wanted to introduce myself as I am helping a "greenfields" Gaelscoil with their network, systems + tech set up shortly (in a voluntary and consultative manner). Am a returnee to Dublin (2015) after having been working abroad in infrastructure/ISP/tech since 2000 - so I'm very much learning about ICT requirements here in education (but have strong ties to local/global network engineering groups which might be useful!).

I notice the growing reliance on WLAN (Wifi/802.11) and some ambiguity around Wifi design (especially at scale). I would like to help/share here in the hopes of (a) learning about local challenges/solutions and (b) perhaps in delivering some value based upon my own experience.

Normally I share the below with medium to large coworking spaces but I thought it might be useful here i.e. a *free* Wifi related quick presentation (given to the Coworking Association of Ireland last year):

Presentation/tips: https://proveit.podomere.com/dospace/preso.html

- Wifi design overview https://proveit.podomere.com/dl/wifi_design_white.pdf

- Wifi capacity planner: http://www.revolutionwifi.net/capacity-planner/

- Open Network Design (free templates/designs): http://opennetworkdesign.com/ond-00001/ond-00001.html

Wifi For Beginners: http://wififorbeginners.com/2015/06/09/episode-1-what-is-wi-fi/

Note: The PDST "Guide-to-Wireless-Procurement-Framework-July-2017" is a great start but lacking in some areas, misses vendors, and when I called one their recommended system integrators they had no idea they were on any list etc. And the PDST "WifI-Guidance-Document-in-Primary-Schools-Jan2017" is an overly verbose "discussion" document with *no actual WLAN best practices* other than get a "survey" (but which type?), Appendix E is also unreadable unfortunately.... albeit the document has some detail on structured cabling.

Query: Would a free + complete "generic" wired and wireless design template (including a priced up Bill of Materials) for a primary school ~ 6-10 classrooms be useful if added to the "Open Network Design" project above? And what do you currently reference (baseline designs from PDST/vendors?) or do you start from scratch with a local IT person or system integrator each time?

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Donal O

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Got progressively more grumpy with the lack of PDST documentation. Started working on this this afternoon (schools related)... it's the sort of mashup I call a "metamap". It's a design/discussion/explainer mix. Anyway, let me know if anyone on this list is interested in the final document? As stated it's a W.I.P.(Work in Progress) so any feedback, spotting of errors, omissions, suggestions welcome.... and then will add to the http://OpenNetworkDesign.com repo.

Large PDF (High Res): https://proveit.podomere.com/dl/defensible_schools_cheatsheet_v2.pdf

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J Muller

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Jan 14, 2018, 6:16:17 PM1/14/18

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Impressive. Very complete.

My suggestions would be to consider:

1. Make WiFi networked devices the core behind BYOD, Mobile-devices, 1:1 projects etc. Currently they are not clearly separated from desktop/laptop based O216

I am not sure if there are clear phases recognisable in IT-in irish schools, but I would say that the general tendency has been to keep general school admin IT separate from the student IT and to separate the teaching-related materials from lan's+PCs in Computer-labs as phase 1 "support-intensive", to iPads& other mobile devices+WiFi as phase 2 "Device Based" to Phase 3 "cloud based or collaborative" with canvas or schoolology + Gdrive+Chromebooks (lowest support requirements). I would assume uptake of phase 3 to be limited. Connectivity, legal concerns/GDPR etc., costs being the main factors behind the uptake.

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Looks interesting - well done.

Would be interested in the final thing for sure

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Hi Donal,

Great document & great detail. However I would like to point out that Ubiquity is not on the vendor framework list and you are missing the Meru/Fortinet Vendor stack & options in your Wifi Vendor section. IT Group are the approved service & product supplier vendor representing the Fortinet solution and have successfully completed multiple installations across the education sector in Ireland including providing the wifi for the CESI events for the past few years. If you would like a demonstration of our product or any technical information please do not hesitate to contact us.

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Got progressively more grumpy with the lack of PDST documentation. Started working on this this afternoon (schools related)... it's the sort of mashup I call a "metamap". It's a design/discussion/explainer mix. Anyway, let me know if anyone on this list is interested in the final document? As stated it's a W.I.P.(Work in Progress) so any feedback, spotting of errors, omissions, suggestions welcome.... and then will add to the http://OpenNetworkDesign.com repo.

Large PDF (High Res): https://proveit.podomere.com/dl/defensible_schools_cheatsheet_v2.pdf

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On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:04:17 UTC, Donal O wrote:

Hello, have been reading the list and I wanted to introduce myself as I am helping a "greenfields" Gaelscoil with their network, systems + tech set up shortly (in a voluntary and consultative manner). Am a returnee to Dublin (2015) after having been working abroad in infrastructure/ISP/tech since 2000 - so I'm very much learning about ICT requirements here in education (but have strong ties to local/global network engineering groups which might be useful!).

I notice the growing reliance on WLAN (Wifi/802.11) and some ambiguity around Wifi design (especially at scale). I would like to help/share here in the hopes of (a) learning about local challenges/solutions and (b) perhaps in delivering some value based upon my own experience.

Normally I share the below with medium to large coworking spaces but I thought it might be useful here i.e. a *free* Wifi related quick presentation (given to the Coworking Association of Ireland last year):

Presentation/tips: https://proveit.podomere.com/dospace/preso.html
- Wifi design overview https://proveit.podomere.com/dl/wifi_design_white.pdf
- Wifi capacity planner: http://www.revolutionwifi.net/capacity-planner/
- Open Network Design (free templates/designs): http://opennetworkdesign.com/ond-00001/ond-00001.html
Wifi For Beginners: http://wififorbeginners.com/2015/06/09/episode-1-what-is-wi-fi/

Note: The PDST "Guide-to-Wireless-Procurement-Framework-July-2017" is a great start but lacking in some areas, misses vendors, and when I called one their recommended system integrators they had no idea they were on any list etc. And the PDST "WifI-Guidance-Document-in-Primary-Schools-Jan2017" is an overly verbose "discussion" document with *no actual WLAN best practices* other than get a "survey" (but which type?), Appendix E is also unreadable unfortunately.... albeit the document has some detail on structured cabling.

Query: Would a free + complete "generic" wired and wireless design template (including a priced up Bill of Materials) for a primary school ~ 6-10 classrooms be useful if added to the "Open Network Design" project above? And what do you currently reference (baseline designs from PDST/vendors?) or do you start from scratch with a local IT person or system integrator each time?

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All that looks very comprehensive Donal.

My only fear here is who this is aimed at. For me (living and mostly working in Kerry/Munster) and as a professional IT consultant - this is a fantastic resource.

However - if I showed this to any school I service - I would get the blank dead eye immediately.

Believe me - this is not a criticism of your work - (the opposite in fact - it’s amazing!)

It’s more to do with what I come across every week… misunderstanding or at best minor understanding with minor interest.

I would have 2 room schools that are c.30+ years old (with the 3 foot walls that accompany that) as well as mixture of old/new buildings and then brand new buildings - sometimes with 2 floors and 40+ rooms.

That’s all fine… but invariably… and this pains me… there has been a “local guy” servicing the school for years - who knows damn all about networks or networking and thinks the highest networking level is a €20 TP Link every 10 feet. The school has been struggling along and the WLAN “sorta works” with drop-offs, poor speeds and sometimes not working at all.

The school has already invested hundreds (if not thousands) into the €20 TP Link sold at €150 (really) and they have 10 of them. I do a proper site survey, price the job (too damn cheaply usually) and the school can’t in any way understand why they may need to reinvest a further €1000-€5000 (depending on scale/size) to actually get proper WiFi. Even though they are still purchasing new iPads, tablets, etc.

Your Dilbert cartoon stuck me immediately as I have had a school actually say to me - “But, it’s just wifi, can’t you just put a thing up to fix it?” I’ve tried analogies, parallels, simple Keynotes, 5 min explanations at TeachMeets, real-world examples… little works…

*Sigh*. Apologies - this turned into a rant which is in no way directed at you… just frustrations when trying to do the right thing.

Original point: Your work is fantastic - for us and people in the know. I’d love to work with you and create a document that is so simple - people with no tech background could understand it - and better yet, know why WLAN is important (even more so with so many devices being wireless)

I wonder if education is the answer… :-)

Keep up the great work Donal - it’s appreciated!

Many thanks,

Chris Reina

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I'd like to volunteer to help with the "user"/school management board version of this document if Chris and Donal and others might be interested? Have 25 years experience in professional educational publishing and document flow. I have certainly had the same kind of experience that Chris describes plus also timescales can be incredibly long to get the right decision-making group of people together and their level of technical knowledge varies wildly.

Knitting this post with Amy's suggestion of a facebook group, while I don't think that works, it would be wonderful to have a space that CESI was involved with where we could archive some resources and develop them together, as there are problems like Wifi networking process, Office 365 v Google, iPads and Chromebooks, BYOD, data protection, school websites, user agreements that constantly change slightly and need updating, but some of the issues particularly the pedagogical ones, remain the same.

Best wishes

Imogen

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I don’t think I can ad anything to what has already been said.

Donal, great work. I love graphics . however, If I show that to a school I’ll loose them at “look at this”. My daily work flow involves me putting myself between the school and the I.T. Solution. The teacher doesn’t need to know how the electricity works but they need to know that it will work. Same applies to the internet.
Local guys, I’m one of those local guys but by necessity have to work in less than perfect network environments (bad internet, bad wifi, bad network, bad switching etc) So the thinking outside the box solution is important. When I get to a school I have to work with what’s there, because more often than not they can’t afford a NEW WiFi. And I end up working with a school over a long term rather than just paying for a quick fix (I hat the TPLINK, Linksys, airport QUICK FIX but understand that sometime this needs to happen)
The issue is schools don’t have an “I.T. guy” they have vendors and supports like PDST & CESI unlike industry were myself, Chris , Donal OR Imogen would deal directly with the “the I.T. guy” in a business, schools don’t have this, instead the principal who is also the HR person and manager and and and...... they have to now deal with this. I would be delighted and more than happy to create a link between the vendor and the school, not all suppliers are as helpful as they would like purely because they are busy. I would love to work with teachers to create a tech-cheat-sheet that’s NOT overly techie but that can give the school decision makers, a better idea of where there are on the road to better wifi.

I hope that makes sense. Lets keep things simple.

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Looks interesting - well done.

Would be interested in the final thing for sure

On 14 January 2018 at 22:06, Donal O <irld...@gmail.com> wrote:

Got progressively more grumpy with the lack of PDST documentation. Started working on this this afternoon (schools related)... it's the sort of mashup I call a "metamap". It's a design/discussion/explainer mix. Anyway, let me know if anyone on this list is interested in the final document? As stated it's a W.I.P.(Work in Progress) so any feedback, spotting of errors, omissions, suggestions welcome.... and then will add to the http://OpenNetworkDesign.com repo.

Large PDF (High Res): https://proveit.podomere.com/dl/defensible_schools_cheatsheet_v2.pdf
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Hello, have been reading the list and I wanted to introduce myself as I am helping a "greenfields" Gaelscoil with their network, systems + tech set up shortly (in a voluntary and consultative manner). Am a returnee to Dublin (2015) after having been working abroad in infrastructure/ISP/tech since 2000 - so I'm very much learning about ICT requirements here in education (but have strong ties to local/global network engineering groups which might be useful!).

I notice the growing reliance on WLAN (Wifi/802.11) and some ambiguity around Wifi design (especially at scale). I would like to help/share here in the hopes of (a) learning about local challenges/solutions and (b) perhaps in delivering some value based upon my own experience.

Normally I share the below with medium to large coworking spaces but I thought it might be useful here i.e. a *free* Wifi related quick presentation (given to the Coworking Association of Ireland last year):

Presentation/tips: https://proveit.podomere.com/dospace/preso.html
- Wifi design overview https://proveit.podomere.com/dl/wifi_design_white.pdf
- Wifi capacity planner: http://www.revolutionwifi.net/capacity-planner/
- Open Network Design (free templates/designs): http://opennetworkdesign.com/ond-00001/ond-00001.html
Wifi For Beginners: http://wififorbeginners.com/2015/06/09/episode-1-what-is-wi-fi/

Note: The PDST "Guide-to-Wireless-Procurement-Framework-July-2017" is a great start but lacking in some areas, misses vendors, and when I called one their recommended system integrators they had no idea they were on any list etc. And the PDST "WifI-Guidance-Document-in-Primary-Schools-Jan2017" is an overly verbose "discussion" document with *no actual WLAN best practices* other than get a "survey" (but which type?), Appendix E is also unreadable unfortunately.... albeit the document has some detail on structured cabling.

Query: Would a free + complete "generic" wired and wireless design template (including a priced up Bill of Materials) for a primary school ~ 6-10 classrooms be useful if added to the "Open Network Design" project above? And what do you currently reference (baseline designs from PDST/vendors?) or do you start from scratch with a local IT person or system integrator each time?

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Hi,

As a teacher in a primary school with a little bit of knowledge (yes, that dangerous thing) of ICT I have to say that what Chris and Hassan have posted on this thread is absolutely spot on in the Irish education context where there is no green field opportunity.

The suggestion of creating a KISS document is great - how to keep it up-to-date is the challenge.

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PS I don't really have a clue what your diagram says or does!! :-)

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Cheers Hassan, and I empathise, I really do. My response to Chris outlines the mixed audience/stakeholder purpose of the "metamap".

1. Cool, then the doc might just be for you alone. It's a free resource, but if you find a "techy" person on the inside, it might help them to become an advocate/champion and make your job easier/faster. In my experience, sometimes the teacher or principal *has* to know as they are the designated techy and decision maker.

2. I have worked to optimise locations in "brownfields" many times. Sometimes you get what you're given and have to make do. Unfortunately sometimes the root causes have to be addressed but I take your point and have lived it many times. No right answer.

3. There definitely could be a simple ERD style decision doc or preferably web form. I would caution bringing any vendor too close though, caveat emptor.

Effectively the question is who *owns* the service and *risk*. AFAIK that's the school, so someone paid by the DoES has to be the final arbiter. That's the main problem IMHO.

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Hi Mark, thank you.

TL;DR Good point on Ubiquiti albeit it's there to dissuade. I could add Meru but it would be red. I can also see where this might go but am not unprepared.

IMHO the "Wireless Framework Suppliers" is more about the local companies/organisations than the Wireless Manufacturers (as config/execution is 99%) and "qualifies" certain entities whilst not explicitly "disqualifying" others. It is guidance that is regularly ignored it seems. As such, Ubiquiti is out there in schools anyway due to its price point (as with a range of other vendors). As you can see in the "metamap" Ubiquiti is orange for a reason. My goal is not to make enemies here but I'm afraid I don't advocate SCA(Single Channel Architecture) but MCA(Multi Channel Architecture). I could add Meru in but it would be red. The document is indeed opinionated.

Happy to switch to a private thread if you want to thrash out the RF tech details (or my background in RF/engineering).

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Thanks Chris,

Totally agree with your points 100%. It's definitely an education problem around WLAN and Wifi(802.11) is very misunderstood at scale! I see it across all industries/verticals. If not designed it kinda' works until congestion collapse and it doesn't. Or it's so slow it creates behaviour change contrary to the original intent.

Alas, until the pain is too great and/or relationships churn due to a literal life-cycle or a home/employment move, I concede that maybe many "legacy" schools and unfortunately students are somewhat lost "WLAN/ICT doomed :(" and thus, this is pitched 60-80% @ "greenfields". Albeit some decision makers/influencers doing a "refresh" might find it useful too (including ICT staff wondering how to tweak a few things). I don't mean to sound defeatist but that's the reality on the ground... as human networks spread out, so do market effects.

Future state: It does all come down to people, process, technology - but maybe if certain schools could be held aloft as "case-studies" and their story told, it might percolate further afield. It strikes me that a PDST/DoES mandated "post-install" survey and adherence to certain "passing" network requirements could move the needle... but... there would also need to be an agent on all endpoints reporting back to a PDST/DoES/HEAnet analytics database about network/RF quality ongoing for this to really work.

I have had pretty much the same exact problems in enterprises and business where ICT is not their core business or they are constrained by legacy tech or lack of learning/training/investment...

It really does require targeted and early "lengthy" discussion/education with more tech savvy teachers, principals, boards, and/or ICT "staff" in the mix. This is not always feasible nor are the right incentives or supports in place along the way yet IMHO. Also, snake-oil salesman will always prey on opportunities along the way.

My hope is that the "metamap" can help shine light across the spectrum in a neat but *dense* package. Normally any presentation or document is explicitly targeted at an audience or stakeholder type... yet this is not the case for a "metamap", it is designed to draw in each stakeholder and expose them to an added layer of complexity (after they spot something they recognize or care about) that is already intrinsic in the system (as people are naturally curious). It is definitely not designed for those who intentionally switch off immediately, but can be used to weed them out quicker and adapt communication styles. Unfortunately there's a level of complexity inherent and every decision pulls many dependencies like tugging on a spiderweb. GApps vs O365 is one that percolates all the way down through the network and services (as does Chromebooks/Dell Laptops). There's a battle versus war analogy there somewhere though I'd prefer a more generative turn of phrase. Expectations of new teachers, assistant principals, and principals coming through may help tip the balance...

Keith Parsons who is a global Wifi luminary, trainer, and community builder from WLANPROS has one of the better "explainer" mini-presentations on his post "Explaining Wi-Fi to a Non-Techie Audience" albeit it has its moments.

Post: https://www.wlanpros.com/explaining-wi-fi-non-techie-audience/ and PDF: http://wlanpros2.project.ihelphosting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Wi-Fi-Analogies-for-Non-Technical-Audience.pdf

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Hi Paul,

I don’t thinking updating is an issue, personally, I The idea of writing a document terrifies me.

What we need is a cheat-sheet NOT a long document. If we had an open Doc/ google doc shared and reviewed once a quarter the doc could be looked at and updates applied if needs be.

The ideal of a free flow of updates with create a lot of work.

First of all, can we ask the PDST if they have a one sheet solution that the We could build on. If I remember rightly they had a nice graphic (where we are were we want to be) kind of thing.

A Q&A kind of sheet. So when the Vendor arrives on site the school can say :

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I have a vision.

Of a place where we have an interactive HTML5 page that can be used on any device and any browser.

This could lead the user through a series of questions to arrive at a point they can get the info they’re looking for.

I smell a project in the air… (as if I needed another)

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I have a vision.

Of a place where we have an interactive HTML5 page that can be used on any device and any browser.

This could lead the user through a series of questions to arrive at a point they can get the info they’re looking for.

I smell a project in the air… (as if I needed another)

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I think that schools are slowly realising that the own TPLink solutions do not really meet the requirements of modern school IT. Cisco, Ruckus etc. are all slowly moving in. Many schools will think device centric, slowly buying more and more of them, but not having clear 1:1 policies etc. so they will tend to see admin as something done by teachers on devices.

Different schools will make different choices, but I do think that utility-computing/cloud-computing will see increased uptake. Particularly the ability of GAM to suffice for student-devices will give it an edge. If the patterns of the USA are followed much of the data will move into the cloud and tech admin will be mainly done in the cloud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_to_one_computing_(education)

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Chris!!!!!!! Get out of my head!

That’s exactly what I was thinking, the answers would be based on the original sheet and the result should determine where you are and where you want to me.

Val,

I agree and there are plenty of schools up and down the country in the same boat, I would love to get in a vendor, preferred OR recommended and get the issue fixed but this is something I recon would take two to three years to sort out, in the meantime, me you Chris, Donal, Imogen and others helping out have to continue to think outside the box.

BUT yes, budget is always an issue.

EVERYONE,

Is this a project that a cluster of schools could work on?

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Is that vision a chromebook with a google-docs document or a google-sites, site?

btw. I have no commercial links with them in any way.

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:-) Neither… just HTML5 - which will work on everything… the interactivity is the thing…

I might just be forced to write an App… :-)

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Goals: Something like:

1:1 Paperless school that uses collaborative inquiry based projects and flipped classroom approaches as well as more general collaboration to prepare students for the future at the lowest possible cost. Inequality/Digital divide risks are minimized by the schools having a stock of spare devices and promoting home-braodband as well as reliable in-school WiFi. Parents own the devices and the students use them with the schools only providing for under-repair devices, "forgotten-to-charge" and low-income. The publishers help stimulate going paperless by making the materials available at a lower cost. User-configuration is all stored in the cloud and device-independent (instant-replacement in case of under-repair or forgotten to charge). The tsudents carry lighter bags with most books having been replaced by devices, note-taking is readable and share-able. Assignments can be set in classroom softeware and pocessed by students, then returned online. The teaching-materials can all be used outside of the schools hardware etc. etc. ?

Defects can be handled locally. Teachers are shielded from much low-level tech by using the cloud-based software. etc.

Methinks some schools are already working towards this.

There will remain many choices and possibilities, the trick will be to document the goals and align the means.

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The interactivity would need to be shared and the data would need to be backed up etc. Hassan mentioned " If we had an open Doc/ google doc shared and reviewed once a quarter the doc could be looked at and updates applied if needs be. ". An O365 doc could probably do the same, though I am les confident about co-authoring on that.

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Just back the doc up to OneDrive as well as Google Drive somewhere along the line every quarter, for redundancy and impartiality?

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I liked your two links. One of them specifically mentions 1:1 in K12 so it is specifically USA orientated.

I think that many Irish schools (as well as many other USA and EU based ones) start small by collecting hardware and doing anything to get it working. I would compare that to getting steam-generators to start with electricity. Which focuses the mind on "having" and seeing what can be done by teachers themselves and possibly outsourced to IT-Guys or internal technicians.

The conversion or move to an environment where one considers first what "operational IT" can be outsourced and how to find solutions that are utility/services based is, perhaps, harder than one might think.

Since I am in Distance Learning I would not even consider self-installing applications on my students' computers or devices. So my thinking is much more cloud-based anyway (i.e. what WiFi can I & my students use and how reliable & fast is it, how can I use authorization/authentication over internet-connections that are usable for the students and myself etc.). So the differences with on-premises IT+Students can be significant.

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If Co-authoring on google-docs is very reliable we can use that and backup occasionally to O365.

With Google-docs we can also share the doc with the email-address of this group and then everybody who is a member of the group is authorised. Like discussed here https://sites.google.com/a/york.ac.uk/google-apps-training/groups/sharing-using-groups

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everything starts with an open doc/google doc/ 365 doc.

This document will be an information-sheet that schools can use to determine where they are. the HTML interactivity is the next step but a far away next step. we are not going to get bogged down over-thinking it.

I like the idea of of what Chris suggested but as technologist we are not going to use tech just for the sake of it.

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