ICT strategy focus groups

[Seán Gallagher]

A chairde,

The ICT policy unit has commissioned ICS Skills to conduct focus groups with Primary and Post Primary teachers in relation to the ICT strategy for education. 

Please note focus groups for this week. 

 

2014-09-25	Athlone - Primary Teacher Focus Group	5
2014-09-25	Athlone - Post Primary Teacher Focus Group	2
2014-09-26	Wexford - Primary Teacher Focus Group	1
2014-09-26	Wexford - Post Primary Teacher Focus Group	3

 

If you want to contribute, please attend. ICS Skills training dept. on 01 2377723, will take bookings.

Seán

Seán Gallagher,

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[Claire Mc Hugh]

I will try to attend Friday in Wexford,

Thanks

Claire

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[Cormac Cahill]

Hi Sean

Anything happening in Cork in the near future?

Cormac

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On 23 Sep 2014, at 17:13, Seán Gallagher <seanga...@pdst.ie> wrote:

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[Clare-Marie]

Will there be one in Dublin? 

[Seán Gallagher]

Will find out Cormac

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[Cormac Cahill]

Thanks Sean

Cormac

[Sean Gallagher]

A chairde,

Further to my notice about focus groups to inform the ICT strategy in Education, I have received the following update from the ICT Policy Unit. There is an additional focus group scheduled as follows:

29.09.14               Sligo – Primary Teacher Focus Group

29.09.14               Sligo – Post Primary Focus Group

 

All queries to ICS Skills training dept. on 01 2377723, who will take bookings.

 

I have queried the scheduling of focus groups in Dublin and/or Cork based on your queries. I have been informed that there will be a Dublin event for sure but no date has yet been furnished.

Seán

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[Hassan Dabbagh]

Hi Sean, 

Thanks for the update, is there anything in Mayo, I have a few teachers interested. 

Hassan Dabbagh

087 9044716

[Paul de Lacy]

Mayo was supposed to be yesterday but was postponed for reasons outside ICS control.  Date yet to be rescheduled.  Schools got emails from ICS asking for teachers to attend. 

There are also parents' nights in some locations including Athlone.  See wwe.ics.ie - Events and Training -then click on ICS Skills tab

Regards

Paul

[John Heffernan]

Sean 

is there one in Mayo ?

[Sean Gallagher]

As far as I am aware John, there was one scheduled but cancelled.

I will post updates as I receive them from the ICT Policy Unit. Please appreciate that ICS Skills have been charged with the management and scheduling of these.

Seán

[John Heffernan]

Remember there is a whole cohort of teachers that are not in schools who may not get any emails from ICS. Also as most people know, even if the school gets the email it might be a few days before it gets to the right teachers 

John

[Sean Gallagher]

Appreciated John!

I am only trying to disseminate the message to the teachers who might best inform the focus groups. We were not aware of the ICS dissemination plan and have only been asked for assistance now.

Seán

[Cormac Cahill]

The Real Capital not having one. Shocking. I'll have to get on to my local TD. 😄

Cormac 

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[mjb...@eircom.net]

Hi Cormac,

As far as I know, the Focus Group for Cork was arranged for Sept 17th.
The one for Dublin was to be held on Sept 16th. I turned up for it and was the only one there.
No other teachers and no one from ICS.
Mary Jo

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The Real Capital not having one. Shocking. I'll have to get on to my local TD. ??

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[Anne White]

Great, thanks for the update 

Anne 

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[Orla]

Hi Séan

Any scheduled for Galway?

Orla Quigley

[Sean Gallagher]

A chairde,

All of your queries were forwarded to the ICT Policy Unit and I have been asked to post the following response

Seán

The focus groups are being organised by the Department with ICS Skills contracted to facilitate the sessions.  Any decisions to run or cancel focus groups are taken by the Department, not ICS Skills.  The Department have enlisted the assistance of the Education Centres in recruiting teachers for the sessions.  The Education Centres have contacted the schools in their areas and passed on the details of the focus groups to them.

 

The Dublin focus Groups due to take place on the  16.09.14  were cancelled as no teacher had registered to take part.   It is of utmost importance that if a teacher wishes to attend a focus group that they register.  We will be rescheduling Dublin Focus Groups for next week, details to follow

 

In relation to Cork, focus groups for primary teachers and primary parents took place on 17.09.04.  The Focus groups for post primary teachers and post primary parents were cancelled due to no one having registered primary parents and only 1 registering for post primary teacher.

 

Mayo which was due to take place on 23.09.14  was cancelled by the Department due to the low numbers registered.

 

There are no focus groups scheduled for Galway.  The Department made decisions on locations with regard to geographical spread.

[Sean Gallagher]

Latest update re Dublin focus group:

Dublin – Primary and Post Primary Teacher Focus Groups

 

Date:  Wednesday 1^st October

 

Location:  ICS Skills

87-89 Pembroke Rd,

Ballsbridge,

Dublin 4

 

Bookings:  Please book by ringing ICS Skills training dept. on 01 2377723

[Anne White]

Time?

Thks

Anne 

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[Seán Gallagher]

Primary Teachers 12-1

Post Primary Teachers 2.30 – 3.30

Seán Gallagher,

PDST Deputy Director,

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[John Heffernan]

Folks 

Does anyone see the disconnect. We are discussing a Digital Strategy yet forcing people to attend a face to face. Someone book an Adobe Connect for 200 people and have it online.

John    

[Elizabeth Oldham]

I like it!

Mind you, a focus group with 200 people might lack intimacy?

EEO.
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Folks

Does anyone see the disconnect. We are discussing a Digital Strategy yet forcing people to attend a face to face. Someone book an Adobe Connect for 200 people and have it online.

John

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Seán Gallagher <seanga...@pdst.ie<mailto:seanga...@pdst.ie>> wrote:
Primary Teachers 12-1<https://ics.ie/index.php?option=com_eventbooking&task=view_event&event_id=646&Itemid=241>
Post Primary Teachers 2.30 – 3.30<https://ics.ie/index.php?option=com_eventbooking&task=view_event&event_id=708&Itemid=241>

Seán Gallagher,
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On 25 MFómh 2014, at 16:46, Anne White <defa...@me.com<mailto:defa...@me.com>> wrote:

Time?
Thks
Anne

Sent from my iPhone

On 25 Sep 2014, at 16:44, Sean Gallagher <seanga...@pdst.ie<mailto:seanga...@pdst.ie>> wrote:

Latest update re Dublin focus group:

Dublin – Primary and Post Primary Teacher Focus Groups

Date: Wednesday 1st October

Location: ICS Skills
87-89 Pembroke Rd,
Ballsbridge,
Dublin 4

Bookings: Please book by ringing ICS Skills training dept. on 01 2377723<tel:01%202377723>

On 25 September 2014 10:59, Sean Gallagher <seanga...@pdst.ie<mailto:seanga...@pdst.ie>> wrote:
A chairde,
All of your queries were forwarded to the ICT Policy Unit and I have been asked to post the following response
Seán

The focus groups are being organised by the Department with ICS Skills contracted to facilitate the sessions. Any decisions to run or cancel focus groups are taken by the Department, not ICS Skills. The Department have enlisted the assistance of the Education Centres in recruiting teachers for the sessions. The Education Centres have contacted the schools in their areas and passed on the details of the focus groups to them.

The Dublin focus Groups due to take place on the 16.09.14 were cancelled as no teacher had registered to take part. It is of utmost importance that if a teacher wishes to attend a focus group that they register. We will be rescheduling Dublin Focus Groups for next week, details to follow

In relation to Cork, focus groups for primary teachers and primary parents took place on 17.09.04. The Focus groups for post primary teachers and post primary parents were cancelled due to no one having registered primary parents and only 1 registering for post primary teacher.

Mayo which was due to take place on 23.09.14 was cancelled by the Department due to the low numbers registered.

There are no focus groups scheduled for Galway. The Department made decisions on locations with regard to geographical spread.

On 24 September 2014 22:55, Orla <orlaqui...@gmail.com<mailto:orlaqui...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Séan
Any scheduled for Galway?

Orla Quigley

On 24 Sep 2014, at 16:18, Sean Gallagher <seanga...@pdst.ie<mailto:seanga...@pdst.ie>> wrote:

As far as I am aware John, there was one scheduled but cancelled.

I will post updates as I receive them from the ICT Policy Unit. Please appreciate that ICS Skills have been charged with the management and scheduling of these.

Seán

On 24 September 2014 16:15, John Heffernan <jheff...@cesi.ie<mailto:jheff...@cesi.ie>> wrote:
Sean

is there one in Mayo ?

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sean Gallagher <seanga...@pdst.ie<mailto:seanga...@pdst.ie>> wrote:
A chairde,
Further to my notice about focus groups to inform the ICT strategy in Education, I have received the following update from the ICT Policy Unit. There is an additional focus group scheduled as follows:
29.09.14 Sligo – Primary Teacher Focus Group
29.09.14 Sligo – Post Primary Focus Group

All queries to ICS Skills training dept. on 01 2377723<tel:01%202377723>, who will take bookings.

I have queried the scheduling of focus groups in Dublin and/or Cork based on your queries. I have been informed that there will be a Dublin event for sure but no date has yet been furnished.
Seán

On 23 September 2014 18:58, Seán Gallagher <seanga...@pdst.ie<mailto:seanga...@pdst.ie>> wrote:
Will find out Cormac
Seán

Seán Gallagher,
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On 23 MFómh 2014, at 18:48, Cormac Cahill <cormac...@me.com<mailto:cormac...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi Sean
Anything happening in Cork in the near future?
Cormac

Seolta ó mo iPhone

On 23 Sep 2014, at 17:13, Seán Gallagher <seanga...@pdst.ie<mailto:seanga...@pdst.ie>> wrote:

A chairde,
The ICT policy unit has commissioned ICS Skills to conduct focus groups with Primary and Post Primary teachers in relation to the ICT strategy for education.

Please note focus groups for this week.


2014-09-25

Athlone - Primary Teacher Focus Group<http://server02:108/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&ide=730>

5

2014-09-25

Athlone - Post Primary Teacher Focus Group<http://server02:108/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&ide=731>

2

2014-09-26

Wexford - Primary Teacher Focus Group<http://server02:108/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&ide=728>

1

2014-09-26

Wexford - Post Primary Teacher Focus Group<http://server02:108/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&ide=729>

3


If you want to contribute, please attend. ICS Skills training dept. on 01 2377723<tel:01%202377723>, will take bookings.

Seán

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[Cormac Cahill]

I had heard nothing about the Cork one. Would definitely have attended had I known. Have done work with Cork Education Centre so a little disappointed they didn't contact me as I am on their list. Must make contact with them again to keep me informed on things like this.

Here's hoping the Liam McCarthy makes it back to Munster where it belongs (would have preferred Leeside). But I have high hopes for our Ladies this weekend. Rebels Abú.

Cormac

[Laurence Cuffe]

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On Sep 25, 2014, at 05:19 PM, John Heffernan <jheff...@cesi.ie> wrote:

Folks 

Does anyone see the disconnect. We are discussing a Digital Strategy yet forcing people to attend a face to face. Someone book an Adobe Connect for 200 people and have it online.

John    

 

Good point John. We also seem to have a strategy of outsourcing the research to some other group rather than taking the risk of actually talking to the teachers.  I teach second chance students in Youthreach, but there is no evidence that anyone has any plans to talk to us in that context any time soon.

To be honest, this seems to be an exercise in ensuring that they can say "We consulted" rather than looking for input or dialogue.

Rant over.  and I do appreciate that the above is a little OTT.

To be practical about this, I wonder if we set up an open Google doc, or a hackpad for discussing this, would any one be interested in feeding it into the process?

All the best

Dr Laurence Cuffe

[G P Ashe]

The email I got from ICS was sent the day after the 2 most local events (Limerick & Clare) took place!

-- gpa

ps ICS did apologise when I pointed this out.

[John Heffernan]

The PP  focus group meeting in Sligo has been cancelled. Just got notified

John

[Sean Gallagher]

A chairde,

I want to take this opportunity to point out that the focus groups to inform the Digital Strategy for Education are being coordinated and run by ICS Skills following a tendering process run by the ICT Policy Unit of the DES. I was asked to inform you of upcoming focus groups through the CESI mailing list as it is recognised as a means of contacting those whose opinions would be valued in a focus group. It is recognised that a number of focus groups scheduled already were not well attended or were cancelled due to low registrations. The focus groups are another means by which opinion is being gathered following a call for submissions at the end of 2013/early 2014.

All queries/observations in relation to the focus groups have been forwarded as they came in but please appreciate that any further decisions/actions are not taken by any PDST Technology in Education personnel or any member of CESI.

Seán

[Peter Lydon]

A bigger disconnect is that I wasn't aware there was even a session even though a post above says the Education Centres contacted schools. It would ahve made sense for the DES to contact the Teaching Council and request a email drop to its members. I find it very frustrating to hear of an event after the fact followed by complaints that no one attended!

Or is that part of the strategy so that whoever gets what they want.

Peter

[Robert Chaney]

So, the Department have contracted ICS Skills to conduct a consultation process.

ICS Skills didn't contact schools, despite what has already been suggested.

They didn't contact the PDSTTE to then inform the CESI list, until it was almost too late.

There is no clear list of all of the intended venues and dates for the focus groups, so that we can work out which venue and date is best for us.

There is no information on the Department website regarding this focus group process.

There is no clear information on the ICS Skills website about this process.

There has been little advance notice of these meetings: the Wexford EC website only had a posting one week prior to the meeting. I don't know about others, but I don't check my local EC website every week.

ICS didn't contact the ICT subject rep for the ASTI; did they also not contact the TUI and INTO subject reps?

Neither ICS nor the PDSTTE contacted the PDSTTE local facilitators in all of the ECs: an ideal group that have contacts in the local area to get attendees.

Is there S&S paid substitution for attending these focus groups?

Do principals see the value of these groups, to allow teachers to attend during the school day?

Is there travel costs paid for the events?

Finally, I find that in these consultation processes, it is often about forcing a particular agenda, and so information is never given in advance, to allow participants to reflect or consult on proposed ideas in advance. You go in cold, not knowing what to expect, and do not necessarily manage to fully process everything, and then have important points to make, but it's too late afterwards, when you've fully thought them through. There is no documentation currently on the Department website to research/digest in advance.

These sorts of situations just disappoint me, because they create missed opportunities, poorly-executed initiatives, and bad policy and practice.

And afterwards, the civil servants say arrogantly, "well, we had a consultation process, so don't complain; you had an opportunity to contribute".

Rob Chaney

On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:13:36 PM UTC+1, Sean Gallagher wrote:

A chairde,

The ICT policy unit has commissioned ICS Skills to conduct focus groups with Primary and Post Primary teachers in relation to the ICT strategy for education. 

Please note focus groups for this week. 

 

2014-09-25	Athlone - Primary Teacher Focus Group	5
2014-09-25	Athlone - Post Primary Teacher Focus Group	2
2014-09-26	Wexford - Primary Teacher Focus Group	1
2014-09-26	Wexford - Post Primary Teacher Focus Group	3

 

If you want to contribute, please attend. ICS Skills training dept. on 01 2377723, will take bookings.

Seán

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[Peter Lydon]

What Robert said.

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[John Heffernan]

This is too important to be left to the comedy of errors that Robert has outlined above.

If I ask Steve Haragdon nicely he might give me a large Elleumiate room that might be able to host the numbers that might have an interest in taking part, If ICS want to host itthey can.

would sunday evening or an evening later on in the week suit?

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[Simon Lewis]

Just to add from a principal's perspective that I received nothing from anyone about these consultation forums. Had I have, my name would have been down on the list and it would have been shared with my staff.

I think face-to-face consultations in the local education centres is a better idea unless the Elluminate room is divided into little break out groups. It's very hard for voices to be heard in big crowds as we'll see on Monday at Jan O'Sullivan's #edchatie debut!

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[Sandrine Pac-Kenny]

I participated in the one in Wexford on Friday.
I received it via email of the VP of the school. I guess we got lucky from what I read to know about it. They asked if someone from the e-learning committee would go. I volunteered. Thankfully colleague covered class I missed as there is no cover for it.
I found it very good. We had some very honest discussions and we did not all agree. The small committee was ideal as you could listen and be heard equally. We were 7 and there was a good mix of subjects, management, posts etc...
I felt there was no agenda from any of us there. Just educators wanting the best for our students.
A big room would not work as people who would have come with an agenda would monopolise the debate. You need good honest replies and people feeling they can say how they feel.
That's my view of it.
Hopefully something good will come out of it.
Sandrine Pac-Kenny

[Bije Barrett]

A government which is all fur coat and you can finish it. Where is there real commitment. They have two departments the NCCA on the one hand delivering much needed curricular change, all be it at a very slow level and another department who needs to support this change with infrastructure and training which is headless, uncoordinated and uncommunicative clearly and just not in tandem.

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[Robert Chaney]

I asked ICS Skills to make a comment on my posting from a few days ago. I did say that they may not be able to comment on certain points, if it is outside their remit.

Here is the reply. Seems straight forward enough, even if we are not happy with the eventual outcomes:

Dear Robert,

Thank you for your email, I appreciate you taking the time to send a copy of your CESI posting to ICS Skills directly.  Some of the points are indeed beyond my remit, but I will answer what I can here:

 Post on CESI list - 27-09-2014

"So, the Department have contracted ICS Skills to conduct a consultation process.

ICS Skills was contracted to moderate and report on the focus group sessions.  ICS Skills also provided the ‘booking engine’ for these focus groups through our website.  This is the full extent of ICS Skills responsibilities with regard to focus groups.  ICS Skills was not asked to promote focus group sessions or to recruit participants. 

The Department of Education and Skills enlisted the assistance of the Education Centres in recruiting teachers for the sessions.  As far as we are aware, the Education Centres contacted the schools in their areas and passed on the details of the focus groups to them.  The schedule was confirmed by the Department with the Education Centres one month ago and any subsequent changes to this schedule are made by the Department, not ICS Skills.

 

ICS Skills didn't contact schools, despite what has already been suggested.

Although not required to, ICS Skills reached out to its own customer network by email, to help generate interest in the focus group sessions. 

 

They didn't contact the PDSTTE to then inform the CESI list, until it was almost too late.

See point 1 above.

 

There is no clear list of all of the intended venues and dates for the focus groups, so that we can work out which venue and date is best for us.

See main point above.  All focus groups were listed on ICS Skills website with description, who should attend, dates, times and locations and we are always happy to take queries by phone or email.

 

There is no information on the Department website regarding this focus group process.

See point 1 above.

 

There is no clear information on the ICS Skills website about this process.

See point 1 above.  All focus groups were listed as events on ICS Skills website with description, who should attend, dates, times and locations and we are always happy to take queries by phone or email.

 

There has been little advance notice of these meetings: the Wexford EC website only had a posting one week prior to the meeting. I don't know about others, but I don't check my local EC website every week.

See point 1 above.

 

ICS didn't contact the ICT subject rep for the ASTI; did they also not contact the TUI and INTO subject reps?

See point 1 above.

 

Neither ICS nor the PDSTTE contacted the PDSTTE local facilitators in all of the ECs: an ideal group that have contacts in the local area to get attendees.

See point 1 above.

 

Is there S&S paid substitution for attending these focus groups?

As far as I am aware, no.

 

Do principals see the value of these groups, to allow teachers to attend during the school day?

ICS Skills has moderated a number of teacher focus groups to date so I can only assume that yes, some principals do see the value.

 

Is there travel costs paid for the events?

As far as I am aware, yes.

 

Finally, I find that in these consultation processes, it is often about forcing a particular agenda, and so information is never given in advance, to allow participants to reflect or consult on proposed ideas in advance. You go in cold, not knowing what to expect, and do not necessarily manage to fully process everything, and then have important points to make, but it's too late afterwards, when you've fully thought them through. There is no documentation currently on the Department website to research/digest in advance.

Anyone who registers for a focus group session through our website receives an information sheet giving some background to the process, an agenda, contact details for queries along with a short survey and a consent form to complete.  Ample time is given at the beginning of the focus session to address any outstanding questions that participants may have.

 

These sorts of situations just disappoint me, because they create missed opportunities, poorly-executed initiatives, and bad policy and practice.

And afterwards, the civil servants say arrogantly, "well, we had a consultation process, so don't complain; you had an opportunity to contribute”."

 

Prior to these teacher focus groups, the Department distributed surveys to all schools and held a public consultation process via their website, on a Digital Strategy for schools.

 

Regards,

Linda.

 

Linda Keane | Business Development and Quality Manager | Irish Computer Society/ ICS Skills

[Seaghan Moriarty]

I’d just like to acknowledge and thank Robert for following through on this.

Too many times, we grumble, curse the darkness (<dig-alert>that is the DES lack of ICT vision ;)</ dig-alert>) but don’t actually follow through…

 

Much appreciated Robert – an extremely professional follow-up. Maith thú!

 

 

Kindest Regards,

Seaghan Moriarty

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[eamonn hodge]

I'll be at the Dublin focus group from 2:30 to 3:30.  Say hi!

Eamonn