The fair compensation initiative

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi Suresh, 

Suresh: "let me know what precise path you are trying to pursue in the social finance space."

I was already working on value accounting and on reputation and role mapping for SENSORICA. I already stated that 

"These tools are also necessary to stabilize open ventures, to catalyze their self organization, buy embodying a powerful set of positive incentives and by providing a greater visibility into the social structure of these organizations. "

I decided to propose to the ProM group to think about a new way to compensate ourselves for our work, to go beyond the gift economy (without eliminating it !), while preserving the soul of the open social enterprise. I find that there is a large untaped sea of talent out there, people that are trapped within a web of necessities, that would contribute to our venture if only they could feed their children. 

 

I sensed that your efforts to find funding were not enough, because you did not explain how this funding would be distributed within ProM. I feel that employing people, paying a salary, introduces power relations within the group, which takes us a step back from building an empowering, open, and decentralized space, divides the group into an open area and a closed area, incites competition, etc. Even if the funding comes form alternative sources, once the money get into a back account they smell just the same. What's important is how they'll get distributed. 

To answer your question Suresh, I am NOT planning to get too far into the social financing space. My attention is not on the source, but on the distribution. In the case of the open enterprise SENSORICA, which commercializes a high tech material product and offers services, the source of revenue is the market, where we exchange the fruits of our labor with the consumer. In the case of a social enterprise there are other sources. But I want to reflect on how to reward individuals for their contribution while keeping the open, open. So I am focusing inside ProM. 

Your work is equally important, because if we find a way to redistribute revenue, while respecting the aforementioned conditions, we'll need to have something to redistribute.  

I also want to broaden the scope of this reflection, to also include non tangible value, which can also be mapped and exchanged. It's not just about money.  

NOTE:

I want to thank Paul for helping me better define some of these ideas. I deeply respect Paul'l views on open collaboration. I also admit my own bias, coming from the open innovation space, dealing with resource intensive processes and being forced to interface with the present-old economy.  

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Suresh Fernando <sures...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please forward any specific questions that you might have or let me know what precise path you are trying to pursue in the social finance space.

Thanks!

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <tiberius.br...@gmail.com> wrote:

Some of us already have extensive experience with financing of the open social enterprise. Suresh can provide you with some links to his work. I feel that together, we can go further. 

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <tiberius.br...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Peitrust-ees !

I am the founder of SENSORICA open enterprise, of Multitude Project, and a member of ProM. Both of these organizations are now reaching the point where a reputation and value accounting mechanism is needed. Bayle already knows about our activities and can articulate our needs into your own language. 

I am writing you this message, also including the ProM group, to ask if it would be possible for you to help us articulate our needs and to build a prototype. We can be your testing ground. Together, we can design and build the tools that will allow social changers and members of open enterprises (like SENSORICA) to sustain themselves, their families and their communities, directly from their activities, without compromising the open culture. These tools are also necessary to stabilize open ventures, to catalyze their self organization, buy embodying a powerful set of positive incentives and by providing a greater visibility into the social structure of these organizations. 

We can provide a space for further discussions and collaboration.   

     
Tiberius

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Michael Maranda <trop...@gmail.com> wrote:

no problem, just really trying to ger better appreciation of the social and business structures at play - especially potential for values accounting

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <tiberius.br...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Michael, 

You requested access to edit SENSORICA website. We are now doing some restructuring of SENSORICA. Some of my partners will create a box organization which will sit on the Mosquito sensor, and I will continue to work on SENSORICA as an open space for innovation and design of high tech products with other collaborators. I will NOT be formally attached to the box, but I will act as a consultant. The box will be member of SENSORICA. I will be a full member of SENSORICA. At this moment we are in the process of separating what belongs to SENSORICA and what belongs to the box. Within a week it will be possible for you to participate to SENSORICA if you please. 

Thanks.  

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[Michael Maranda]

Tiberius, 

I'm very interested in these questions - namely determining the basis for such accounting and distribution.  it can apply within ProM group, and can apply to those using ProM or ProM-like platform.  

Are you mainly at the stage of raising the questions, or is there a particular strategy that is being outlined somewhere?  (HAve I missed it?)

Thank you T!

MM

PS -- let's reduce cross-posting especially between Coaliton and ProM mailing lists.  Let's make it an expectation that those on ProM list should also be on Coalition list, so it something applies to the wider group context, do post it there. The chain of communication gets muddled, and I don't think it is necessary to broadcast to both.  I'm replying to both here mainly to affirm this point.

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Michael, I entrusted Bayle from Peitrust with this work. 

Pietrust is meant to be an open group, but they are keeping it closed for now to protect their initial ideas, before they have something concrete to launch. 

Bayle responded privately to my call saying that he is working on an answer to my proposition. I also introduced Bayle to Shereef a while ago, and that discussion turned out to be very constructive. In my view Bayle's system will be a little more advanced than BetterMeans' in terms of value attribution. 

On the conceptual side, Bayle and I exchanged a lot. 

On the implementation side, they are coding, but I don't know exactly how far they went. I am waiting for Bayle's answer. He might already have something to be test. 

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

To be more precise, Bayle and I are designing this for organizations like SENSORICA, but I suppose that we can also adapt it to a social enterprise. 

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[Michael Maranda]

T, 

There are numerous parties working on similar issues in a semi to fully enclosed work-style.  This appears either conscious strategic choice or simply de facto closure based on social network and limited time/capacity.  I understand in this particular case you are really fostering introductions?  (And that the current work is focused upon value attribution in the design/innovation/material sector)

In this conceptual space I think it's important to make more of the underlying assumptions explicit, and in the platform implementation - it's also desirable to make some of these aspects configurable by the community, so they can make choice in the tool  how these should apply in their environment.  Indeed, I think within a community there are different aspects and groups where it may apply differently.  it gets complicated quickly.  

MM

[Wael Al-Saad]

This tweet brought me back here https://twitter.com/pospigos/status/1247998569543380993

Its fun, how good things kept growing along these years .. Personally I did not give up building what we intended to do back then.

we have a project where we want to build a new structure of integral collaboration between humans and earth .. the core of it is the NRP system Tibi build with other developers.
it a new-economy masterplan combined with a software solution without any funds yet. Our group is working hard to develop the business model, prototype and strategy ..

You can reach me on albayda...@gmail.com

Wael