Fwd: Living Earth Collapse, collapse, collapse

[Bulat Yessekin]

переписка из другой сети: о 2-й мировой войне и 3-й 

Best regards,

Bulat K. YESSEKIN

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От: Jan Barendrecht <janbare...@swissmail.org>
Date: пт, 15 мая 2026 г. в 10:34
Subject: Re: Living Earth Collapse, collapse, collapse
To: <livin...@googlegroups.com>

True, "the owners" want to kill as many as possible, of course without waving a red flag.
But reading various sources it looks like "COVID 2.0" aka Hanta won't fly - too many are
seeing the connection now so resistance will be too high to overcome.

Problem is that WW3 preparation started much longer ago than thought by most analysts.
Already ~6 years after WW2 the Germans were so rich that they could rent summer holiday
beach resorts in the West of the Netherlands at prices no Dutchman could afford. And the
youths were driving mopeds, forbidden for Dutch nationals (speed, horse power).
How could that be for a country that supposedly had lost the war after carpet bombing?
For adults that was the outrage but fairly soon forgotten, earning $$ by renting and selling
to those "suddenly made wealthy" Germans. But for analysts that indicated a US investment
in and planned preparation for the next war on European territory.

For "the owners" history took a wrong turn when Germany more or less made good trade
deals with the former enemy, which without action would have led to "1 Eurasia" which
would have become a powerful cooperation of the most advanced and wealthy  countries.

Hence the destruction of North Stream and setting up ("Epsteining") Western Europe against
the RF and later the PRC, both of which would have been natural partners for the EU - just
think of "everything transported by cheap, efficient and fast rail connection".

From that perspective, the Ukraine (which already was corrupt) was a godsend and still is
being used as US proxy against the RF - first NATO basis there, mid 1990s.

Those still thinking DJT wants peace have to realize his performance as liar on an almost
hourly basis - what he wants is "piece of the cake", 90% for himself and fellow Chabadniks.

Another reason to expand the Ukraine war is the enormous US debt that otherwise 
can lead to "Great Depression 2.0" which would cause anarchy and subsequent defaults. 
Martial law because of war can suppress that. The Iran war was a failure in this respect and 
Taiwan is a lost case before it started.

No idea if Europeans can turn the tide - whistle blowers reveling the "Epsteining" of officials
would be of great help.  This pic will pass most OCR undetected:



Jan

On 5/14/2026 10:07 PM, John Day wrote:

Thanks Jan,

I don't know how this war will be prosecuted. I think the decrease in physical resources makes our "owners" (Carlin) want to kill people without destroying so much valuable infrastructure, but iut is their nature to gamble everything rather than to lose power.

;-/

John-not-a-member-of-that-club

On Thu, May 14, 2026 at 7:48 PM Jan Barendrecht <janbare...@swissmail.org> wrote:

During WW2 in occupied territories, hospitals were only partially functioning. In the village where I was born
there wasn't one and transport was impossible because the occupation forces had rationed fuel. So for those
involved the situation was a surprise. Apart from that, after sunset buildings had to emit zero light as the
allied forced would bomb everything lighted. At daytime, the Luftwaffe was able to prevent that.
From that perspective, things could have been much worse.

They will be for those having to face WW3, the ultimate smokescreen to hide  the collapse culprits.

Jan 

On 5/14/2026 6:30 PM, John Day wrote:

We were told we had to do c-sections for breech babies, due to risk, and I complied with that, but there was a time when a lady delivered before that could happen, so I did perform one breech delivery. 

That baby did better than you did, Jan. No problems. good luck that day.

John-the-Lucky

On Thu, May 14, 2026 at 6:17 PM Jan Barendrecht <janbare...@swissmail.org> wrote:

For the MD the episode was "hell on earth" because I was born, color blue, not breathing.
So the MD used a bucket with hot water and one with cold water, immersing me from one
to the other, to force breathing.
It worked and the only one courageous enough to watch the ordeal, my mother's mother,
always refused to tell how he was cursing about everything in existence. But I think you can imagine...

The Germans only started to confiscate food when problems arose in Germany. While there was
resistance against the occupation, it was minimal, which explains why Nazism wasn't 
defeated and Western Europe has declared the RF as "enemy" again although 
the Russian empire (czar), former USSR and now the RF,  never was a threat.

Jan

On 5/14/2026 4:47 PM, John Day wrote:

I'm glad you made it, Breech-baby-lactose-intolerant-Jan!

I'm sorry that the farmers were forced to dig potatoes for the soldiers in Germany in WW-2.

I had not heard that report before, but this is clear testimony to the fact.

Appreciative-John

On Thu, May 14, 2026 at 12:14 PM Jan Barendrecht <janbare...@swissmail.org> wrote:

John and colleagues, I was born during WW2 and raging famine - people were even eating flower bulbs.
The German army used their guns to force farmers to harvest potatoes and everything edible.
My birth was so problematic that the MD needed gas and electrical power, which the occupation
forces had turned off. But the officer in charge violated orders and turned on both for the duration
required. While the MD was successful in a case of "feet first" birth, he failed to recognize
lactose intolerance so after 6 months, weight was even lower than at birth. One of his
colleagues could recognize it but damage had been done.

For a toddler to hear this story repeated at every birthday it is a complex issue but certainly
a good start to solve far more complex issues later in life.

Jan

On 5/14/2026 6:30 AM, John Day wrote:

Thanks Jan,

Armies always leave potatoes in the ground, but they sometimes kill farmers, too.

Speaking of microbiomes, I have an idea to put in another bed at the rural place and grow only a summer crop of "cowpeas", African beans we call "black-eyed peas", and a winter crop of an ancient Italian rye grain adapted to hot, humid climes, Wrens Abruzzi.

I intent to compost the bed and to mulch the stalks onto it. This is to be an intensive experiment, inspired by my learning more about the German Westphalian Pumpernickel rye bread that I ate when bike-touring Germany in 1981, along with soft cheese and fruit.

What Was Pumpernickel? The 2-Ingredient Bread That Lasted 6 Months   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R561wArN_84

This was sold from a bakery since 1570, and the bread naturally has 4 modes of preservation against bacteria and mold when made this way, a real survival-food. Legumes are a compliment which also keeps well. Armies would take both, of course.

As to nuclear holocaust, yes, we face the highest risk since the Cuban Missile Crisis, which risk was higher than we knew. A Russian sub commander followed his heart and saved us. There were some other cold-war incidents when Russian officers following their hearts chose, in the moment, not to follow standing-orders.

I'm not personally worried about the Russians, but they are war-weary at this point, and know that their country is the prize that the neoliberal "west" covets to plunder for resources...

John-personally-ready-to-die

On Wed, May 13, 2026 at 10:14 PM Jan Barendrecht <janbare...@swissmail.org> wrote:

You're welcome John - when it comes to power, one only has to consider the RF's
Sarmat, Poseidon and Burevestnik. At present, the West neither has the engineering
capabilities nor the materials base to produce anything similar, any time soon.
These weapons weren't designed and constructed for defense but to prevent
retaliation after use as "the world" by now has the experience that a US regime
is non-negotiable, extremely destructive on a global scale and the US population 
can't change that.

More than 50 years ago it was possible to see that in a case like famine, law and 
order would break down, making those growing food a target for those armed but 
lacking it.

Hence I took experiments to discover on which non-staple foods one could thrive. 
It's highly dependent on the individual microbiome so a non-communicable
subject, and even worse, the microbiome will change as a result of such experiments.
But it might leave your garden free from robbers, thinking "can't survive on this, might
even be toxic" ;-)

Philosophy is good for papers and books: ancients like Patanjali and the Buddha only tried to
convey a lifestyle that by itself would unblock neural pathways leading to "enlightenment"
and "nirvana". Hardly anyone these days realizes that if "enlightenment" would be an
achievement, it would be transient and lost, hence worthless.

Jan 

On 5/13/2026 8:49 PM, John Day wrote:

Thanks Jan,

But it is not a philosophical question at all. 

That which is more powerful will vanquish rivals today.

Twas ever thus, right?

You have retreated to a mountainous semi-solitude before the onslaught.

;-}

John

On Wed, May 13, 2026 at 4:32 PM Jan Barendrecht <janbare...@swissmail.org> wrote:

Interesting question. Most people have parents, grandparents and kids but the inevitable end of their "natural" life is
never interpreted as "collapse" although it is (accident, aging, disease followed by death).
As all biological structures have an "expiration date", from that perspective, collapse is build in.

LTG and Silent Spring were coffee break and tea pause subjects for my generation, students were taught
"science and engineering will find a solution" which was believed unconditionally, unfamiliar with testing
under extreme conditions (which among others is a requirement in electrical engineering to prevent
"destructive kaboom!" situations).

Subjects like "designing and producing durable goods that will satisfy generations ("granddad's clock") and keep working
for centuries" were an absolute taboo as most students knew to be employed by industries making a killing, introducing an
"improved" product every year IOW not requiring much R&D investment but tons of resources (which in the course of
time would become more expensive, til demand destruction would make production uneconomical).

From that perspective the BAU scenario already is leading to collapse of civilization, and having sent
people supposedly infected with a contagious Hanta virus to all corners of the world reminds of the
familiar COVID lock-downs and related hoopla to mitigate / conceal the "oops!, sorry"

In theory this all could have been prevented, by investigating the minimum conditions for people's well-being
to the extent that they would give their best to their society (including the environment).
But AFAIK that policy was eliminated and substituted with the "profit above all else" model long ago.
Literature nevertheless advising how to obtain maximum well-being (Bhagavad Gita, Patanjali (Raja Yoga), Buddhism,
Confucianism etc.) was written with a CO2 content of the air, ~50% of the present value (suggesting that
cognitive damage started long ago but wasn't noticed until "too obvious to ignore").

On 5/13/2026 7:19 AM, Ugo Bardi wrote:

Why do all these models predict collapse? An accusation that was often made to the authors of the first “The Limits to Growth” report, in 1972, was that collapse was built into the models. Hence, it was said, collapse is an ideological feature that modelers inserted into their models. Just another case of garbage in, garbage out. But is it true?

https://open.substack.com/pub/senecaeffect/p/50-years-of-world-models-collapse?r=f4eqx&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

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[Николай Островский]

В дополнение к этим размышлениям можно послушать историка Андрея Фурсова (про современную расстановку сил и перспективы войны в Европе): https://yandex.ru/video/preview/4386535550775268706?text=%D1%84%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2+%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE

пт, 15 мая 2026 г. в 11:06, Bulat Yessekin <bulat.y...@gmail.com>:

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[Николай Островский]

А вот ещё мнение: страны Западной Европы не собираются воевать с Россией. Они используют российскую угрозу для отвлечения общественного мнения, а усиление вооружённых сил  делается для подавления будущих социальных протестов.

А вот ещё мнение: страны прибалтики стали обузой для ЕС. ЕС хочет начать войну с Россией, для того, чтобы в результате этой войны избавиться от этих стран (пусть Россия их завоюет и сама потом с ними мается).

пн, 18 мая 2026 г. в 21:19, Николай Островский <ecol...@gmail.com>: