MR+++ goals and value prop

[hammett]

If there's one thing I've learned at MS is that before writing a
single line of code, you should have a clear view of what you want to
accomplish, the value proposition - if you want people to use it - and
a measure of success. I've put together a small docs on my view to
mr+++

Thoughts?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AkeeJPh8kZQKtnHN3RDR3v-UfG7zt9wCL0jMiualUqI/edit?hl=en&authkey=CN7U99YN

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[Rafael Teixeira]

Looks like a good start... I'll think more about it to throw in some comments/suggestions.

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[Krzysztof Koźmic]

It is hard to disagree with those points (value proposition). There's
one (or two) notable absent though, that is conventions and defaults.

I expected the "How does MR+++ help me?" to contain something like:

- I can quickly add features with zero or mimimum "setup" by following
MR+++ conventions and relying on reasonable defaults

Another thing is, for me next gen web-apps more and more means - apps
(vith version) optimized for mobile devices (smartphones, tablets).
Making explicit effort to support that would fit the list well IMO.

All in all - good to have you back :)

Krzysztof

[John Simons]

A few more points that I would like to see:

- Awesome doco on how to get started + advanced topics;

- Tools to automate tasks (eg. R# templates, VS integration, ....);

- OWIN integration;

- Conventions+++, please do not force me to inherit from Controller ever ever again!

I'm wondering why bother with "Easy migration from ASP.NET MVC – you can have both co-existing in the same project if you want to" ?

Cheers

John

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[John Simons]

I forgot another one!

- Diagnostics galore

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[Krzysztof Koźmic]

+1 on doco.

what's wrong with inheriting from Controller?

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[John Simons]

what's wrong with inheriting from Controller?

No need to, there are other ways to discover Controller classes:

- based on name

- an interface

- based on namespace

There are other ways to expose the API a base controller gives us:

- DI a service eg. Redirector or Renderer or Context

I can only have one base class so let me choose it, do not force one on me.

If you get rid of this limitation (having to inherit from Controller) then "controller" becomes irrelevant and all u need is a method(action) to execute :) much simpler IMO. 

Cheers, John

[hammett]

Yep, Diagnostics is freaking important.

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[John Simons]

More points:
- identify differences between Asp.net MVC and MR+++, basically why use it?

Cheers, John

[hammett]

That's more in the area of competitive analysis, which I dont think
needs to be done. I'm not after MS MVC's users..

[John Simons]

Not really, I see this more in the area of giving the users the right information to make an adequate decision.

Also, if you are not after MS MVC users then why "Easy migration from ASP.NET MVC – you can have both co-existing in the same project if you want to" ?

Cheers

John

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[hammett]

For those who already had investments in ms' version of the framework.
And informed decisions don't come from biased parties...

2011/4/10 John Simons <johnsi...@yahoo.com.au>:

> Not really, I see this more in the area of giving the users the right
> information to make an adequate decision.
> Also, if you are not after MS MVC users then why "Easy migration from

> ASP.NET MVC - you can have both co-existing in the same project if you want

>>>> I'm wondering why bother with "Easy migration from ASP.NET MVC - you can

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