Icon source

[Denis Pitcher]

Hey Assaf,

Where did you source the various icons used in the casetracker from?

I'm working on a new feature that allows you to quick set a historical
interval and I'm looking for a means to create a clock or similar icon
to represent it.

For more info on the feature, essentially there are times when I'm
pulled away from my desk for a meeting or discussion, etc. Often when
I come back I need to attribute this time to a task so I can track it
which means opening up the task and modifying the intervals which
takes a few clicks. Thus I thought it'd be excellent to add a feature
that allows a single click to pull up a dialog where you can instantly
log an interval against the current task for say the last 5,15,30,60
minutes or a custom value. It's proven quite helpful so far.

Denis

[Assaf Lavie]

Hi Denis,

I honestly don't remember where each icon came from. Sorry.

btw, I'm not sure I get the idea behind tracking meeting time. The whole idea of time tracking with EBS revolves around improving estimations. If you're tracking time retroactively you're essentially messing with FB's internal statistics about your "velocity", aren't you?

I believe the right thing to do, from the EBS methodology standpoint, is to subtract your average meeting time from the time you spend on FB projects. So FB will know you spend, say, 10% of your time in meetings (lunches, etc.) and know how to estimate delivery time accordingly.

Now, if you want to use FB to _measure_ how your time is spent, then I think there are better tools to do that (that don't mess with EBS). For example, I used TimeSnapper for a while. It takes a snapshot of my screen every 10 seconds and then does statistics over time. Shows you exactly how much time you spend away/on your machine, how much time you spend in each application/website, etc. 

HTH

[Denis Pitcher]

Hey Assaf,

Hmm, ok, I'm trying to find a means to create icons that match the
clean look you've already got. I'll keep digging around, if you
happen to recall or come across more that are similar I'd appreciate
if you could pop me a msg.

At present I'm actually not using the EBS features which will probably
explain why the enhancements don't make a lot of sense. Largely I've
been trying to get my team/firm to take on fogbugz and use it's EBS
features for quite some time but it's been an incredibly difficult
battle to convince people. Thus I've taken to using it on my own in
parallel with what we use internally. Part of the issue though is
that we presently do rather basic time/task/bug tracking via
sharepoint lists and it's excruciating. Thus I found I could still
use fogbugz to replace what we do now and start building a case for
it's use, hopefully migrating people to seeing the benefit of EBS over
arbitrary due dates, time tracking and pressure over meaningless
deadlines. In order to build a case against our present system and
for EBS I've needed greater granularity on tracking to report where
our time is wasted in how we presently do things and thus the couple
enhancements including the ability to back track time make a huge
difference.

Unfortunately this indeed does conflict with the ability to migrate
current projects I'm tracking over to EBS but I'm hoping it's a means
to an end such that I can first get my team to adopt Fogbugz as a
replacement for what we do now and then start arguing for EBS over
arbitrary time tracking. Ideally I'd like to figure out a way to
adjust tasks such that they don't count against velocity as it'd
enable both forms of tracking but I haven't had a lot of success with
such a venture yet.

None the less, casetracker is proving a hugely beneficial tool and I
greatly appreciate all the hard work you've put into it. Hopefully
some of my own edits will eventually prove useful enough to include
within the main build.

Denis

On May 21, 8:41 am, Assaf Lavie <assafla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Denis,
>
> I honestly don't remember where each icon came from. Sorry.
>
> btw, I'm not sure I get the idea behind tracking meeting time. The whole
> idea of time tracking with EBS revolves around improving estimations. If
> you're tracking time retroactively you're essentially messing with FB's
> internal statistics about your "velocity", aren't you?
> I believe the right thing to do, from the EBS methodology standpoint, is to
> subtract your average meeting time from the time you spend on FB projects.
> So FB will know you spend, say, 10% of your time in meetings (lunches, etc.)
> and know how to estimate delivery time accordingly.
>
> Now, if you want to use FB to _measure_ how your time is spent, then I think
> there are better tools to do that (that don't mess with EBS). For example, I
> used TimeSnapper for a while. It takes a snapshot of my screen every 10
> seconds and then does statistics over time. Shows you exactly how much time
> you spend away/on your machine, how much time you spend in each
> application/website, etc.
>
> HTH
>

> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Denis Pitcher <denis.pitc...@gmail.com>wrote:> Hey Assaf,