Roll Call :-)

[JaneL]

Sorry folks, I've been so busy doing other things this last year to
take much notice of this list.....

and today, when I did, I found there were a bunch of subsription
applications which I hadn't realised were waiting for approval, I
thought that at least I had managed to keep up with those!

Then, when I looked at the number of members - I got another surprise,
71 in all - that's a fair few.

So, now, I'm making a roll call post. I've seen role calls on other
lists and it's a way of people getting to see who is looking for whom
from where, and also having your name interests on the internet and
perhaps other people finding them.

With a roll call, you don't have to give your whole family history,
just the names of the people who left Ireland and where they left from
or where you think they left from, also the year and maybe their
children's names. If you have more than one family, then try to make
a different post for each surname, that makes it easier for someone
else interested in that surname to pick up the info they want from
your post.

The roll call might cause the list to receive a lot of emails, but, it
will only last for a day or two. As the list is moderated to try and
make sure we receive no spam emails then the emails that those of you
who have never made a post before send in will not appear immediately,
they will only go to the list after I approve them, so depending on
where you are in the world relative to me (in Dublin) it might be the
next day before you see your post.

I noticed that someone is interested in Hyland. In the past I've
collected a lot of Hyland info for a friend. I can't remember if you
said your Hylands were from Borris or Ballacolla, but the Ballacolla
Hylands turn up inthe Aghaboe parish registers which is wher the
Borris Hylands probably also are as well up to a point.

So, start talking and lets see if I have anythjng that might be of
interest to you - and before I forget, welcome to the list

Jane
List Admin
http://www.from-ireland.net
http://www.laoisgenealogy.com
http://www.kilkennygenealogy.com

[Tet...@aol.com]

Jane

 

What a great idea!

 

My ancestor Patrick Lawlor came to the US in abt 1843-44 along with his wife Elizabeth Reed and their daughter Ann. From what i understand, Patrick was born in 1808 but we are not sure what town he comes from. We have been told it was Town of Orchard, parish of Stradbally but i have seen other towns mentioned.

We believe his father was Fenton(Phenton). Some family trees i have seen show his mother as Nancy Evans. Family lore says he came here with two of his brothers, John and Daniel.

 

Marcia

[Joy Weaver]

Jane, this is unfortunately rather vague.

My husband's ancestor, Mary Brown, and her sister Florence arrived in
the area north of Montreal, Quebec before 1851. We do not know where
they came from in Ireland, but have found that a Tempey - Temperence -
Brown married Brereton Allen in Laois and settled near the Browns we're
seeking in Canada. Because of various documents witnessing events, we
think our Mary was related to Tempey. In 1851 Florence was living with
the family of Alex Brown, probably her brother.

Another clue is that the area where these families settled was called
Kilkenny and the county at the time was called Leinster (now Montcalm).
So we believe our Browns were from the Laois- Kilkenny area.

Joy Weaver

[Kevin Byrnes]

Jane,

I continue with my post regarding my grandparents Thomas Byrne and Bridget Brennan. I sent you my first post regarding my grandfather Thomas Byrne and am now sending you a post regarding my grandmother Bridget Brennan, who I also believe came from County Laois.

In her Marriage Certificate in 1888 in Elizabeth, New Jersey he listed her age as 21 and her father as Patrick Brennan and her mother as Margaret Haughney. Her age would indicate she was born in 1867.

In her Death Certificate in 1904 it lists her parents as Patrick Brennan and Margaret Brennan. I am assuming that whoever filled out the Death Certificate did not know her mother's maiden name.

The only other information I have discovered is a listing of the baptism of a Bridget Brennan in 1864 the daughter of a Patrick Brennan and a Margaret Haughney at http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/Killeshin_bap_0001.htm. The baptism record indicates that her family was from Coolnariska.

I note a three year difference in the two records.

Thank you again for starting this roll call posting. I hope that they might lead to a connection.

Kevin Byrnes

[Kevin Byrnes]

Jane,

Thank you for starting this roll call. I'm following you suggestion and will send two posts involving my grandparents, who I believe both came from County Laois near Carlow: Thomas Byrne and Bridget Brennan.

Let me start in this post with my grandfather. From his obituary notice I discovered that he came from Queens County. I believe he emigrated to the U.S. in either 1884 or 1888. He is a bit of a puzzle. In any official document, his marriage certificate in 1888 in Elizabeth, New Jersey; in three U.S. census entries of 1910, 1920 and 1930 and the baptism registrations of two daughters Margaret and Mary his family name is spelled Burns. For my father's baptism registration in 1894 his family name was spelled Byrns. His obituary notice in 1950 has his name spelled Byrnes.

To add to the confusion sometime between 1910 and 1917, my father and his siblings apparently had a falling out with my grandfather and changed the spelling of their family name one last time to the current Byrnes.

For his Marriage Certificate in 1888 he listed his age as 19 and his father as Patrick Burns and his mother as Catherine Slattery. However, I discovered on FamilySearch.org an entry for the baptism of a Thomas Byrne on November 12, 1869 to a Patrick Byrne and a Catherine Slattery and believe this entry to be that of my grandfather. It listed his birthplace as Ballickmoyler, Laoighis, Ireland.



Kevin Byrnes

> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 01:51:45 -0700
> Subject: Roll Call :-)
> From: lyons...@iol.ie
> To: carlow-kildare-kilkenny-lao...@googlegroups.com

[Kaye Cole]

Hello Listers,

My great grandmother Elizabeth Ann Fishbourne came to Victoria, Australia in
1863. She was the eldest daughter of Peter Fishbourne and Margaret Meredith
and was probably born in Carlow Town Co. Carlow, in 1843. Peter Fishbourne
appears to be the illegitimate son of a Robert Fishbourne and an unknown
mother, according to his marriage entry in the Carlow Presbyterian Register.
Peter was born about 1819, and probably stemmed from the
wealthy Carlow Fishbourne family, on the basis of various bits of
circumstantial evidence. His father was probablyn either Robert Moore
Fishbourne, a landed gent. b. 1765 or his son Robert , at the time of
Peter's birth a student at Trinity College Dublin and later a Church of
Ireland Rector.

Peter Fishbourne's family moved from Carlow Town to Tullow, Carlow, where he
had a coach building establishment. Later when the railways superseded
coaches the family moved to Inchicore in Dublin.

My great grandmother Eliza married Michael John Hyland Germaine at Ararat,
Victoria in 1866 and had 12 children.

I'd love to crack the mystery of Peter Fishbourne's origins.

Kaye Cole

[mkvictor]

I am looking for info on my great-great-grandparents William Keenan
and Catherine Chester. Keenan is from Co. Cork. His father was Michael
and his mother was Anne Phelan - thought to be from Abbeyleix in
Queen's county.

Catherine Chester is thought to have been from "Dublin." Her mother
was Mary Larkin. Her father was James Chester from England.
William was born in 1830 or 33. Catherine in 1839 or 40. They were
married on Sept. 24th, 1859, in St. Louis, MO, USA, at St. Patrick's
Church in Kerry Patch.

I believe it is possible that William's RC Parish in Co. Cork is
Glanmire. Where do I go from here?

Mary Kathryn

[Joy Weaver]

Kevin,

This is not a family connection, but a comment or two about the US records.  You may know this, as Jane says in her newer post, but perhaps others don't.

Check in the census to see whether the family members likely to have given the information could read and write English.  Also check for actual signatures on documents rather than an "X".  I suggest this because the name spelling differences in the early years may have been the census-taker's or priest's or city clerk's interpretation of a spoken name.

On the other hand, spellings and even whole name changes were very common as immigrants settled in America in the 19th and early 20th centuries.  Sometimes two brothers would use different spellings and now, generations later, their descendants don't even realize that they might be related.

Joy Weaver

[Marjorie Pennacchi]

Thanks, Jane, for doing this.  Please let me know if there is anything I can do for you in return.
 
JOHN LAWLER (born Sept. 29, 1823 or 1824) and MARY LAWLER (born Aug. 4, 1829), my g-g-grandparents,
arrived NYC on Dec. 22, 1854 on the ship "Constitution" with son Patrick & daughter Rosanna,
and settled in the Pennsylvania anthracite coal region.
They became permanent residents of Nesquehoning, Carbon County, Pa., and are buried there.
 
I know they signed their last name with an "er" although it often shows up "or" in public documents.
 
I have been hoping to track down a marriage record, which I gather must be from the late 1840s or in 1850.
 
Oldest child Patrick Lawler was baptized in February 1851 at St. Paul's Arran Quay in Dublin.
Rosanna Lawler was also baptized at St. Paul's Arran Quay, in December 1852.
On both baptismal records, the mother's name is given as Mary CARROLL.
 
I don't know whether they were in Dublin because they were waiting to emigrate, or if St. Paul's was Mary Carroll's home parish.
 
Patrick Lawler's 1895 Pennsylvania obituary states that the family came from County Cavan.  My grandfather told my uncle that
the family came from Wexford.  And, of course, the "Lawler" surname & variants are very, very common in Laois & Kildare.
 
So I'm thoroughly confused!  Any tips you have to offer would be most appreciated!
 
Peggy Lawler
USA

 
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 01:51:45 -0700
> Subject: Roll Call :-)
> From: lyons...@iol.ie
> To: carlow-kildare-kilkenny-lao...@googlegroups.com
>
>

[Kevin Byrnes]

Joy,
Thank you for your comments. Part of the family debate has been whether he changed his name or it was changed for him at the point of entry. Either way it appears that he stuck with the Burns spelling throughout his life. Unfortunately I have no documents with his own signature on it.

Kevin Byrnes

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009
From: joyw...@verizon.net
To: carlow-kildare-kilkenny-lao...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call :-) Byrne

[Terry Hillcoat]

Jane,

Thank you for the opportunity to post our interests.

My interest is CARTER. My great-grandmother, Sarah Carter, came from County
Laios. She was born circa 1858 at Emo Park, which is near Portarlington. Her
parents were Robert Carter and Sarah Prior and she had a brother John who
was born in 1856, also at Emo Park. The only other info I have prior to her
coming to Australia in 1882 is that she married John McMenemy in Dublin in
1881. (I'm also looking for info on John McMenemy, but he came from Tyrone.)

I have not had any success in finding birth records or any information on
Sarah's parents. I would be grateful for any help or suggestions as to where
I might find additional info.

Terry Hillcoat
Australia

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[Alan & Harriet]

Jane, I'm still trying to find some ancestral links between brothers Daniel,
William and Francis Tomlinson born about 1750 and the rest of the
Tomlinson's in England and Ireland. Daniel lived in Dublin, supposed to be a
Silversmith. William, by his will seems to have connections with the town of
Carlow and Francis my ancestor lived in Athy, Balylynan area.My earliest
records indicate they weren't Quakers. Some of Francis' grandsons married
Catholic girls. The only spousal names in Ireland I have are Empy and
Finney or some variation in spelling.
Thank you for all the work you do, Jane,personal as well as on all your
websites. Without you those of us who will never get to Ireland would know
very little or nothing about the homeland of our ancestors. Alan Tomlinson

[Ted Klich]

Kearn Horan from King's County came to Quebec City (QC) in Canada about
1820-1830



He was married to Honorah Kildoyle, but we don't know whether the marriage
was Ireland, or in Canada. There is no marriage record in the Drouin Records
of Quebec (in Ancestry.ca) Honorah might have died in Ireland, since there
does not seem to any death record in Quebec.

There were five children that we have been able to identify from his will
and other records: Ann (b. 1806), Andrew (d. 1938 in QC at 21), Kearn,
Patrick, Margaret, Denis.



Kyran (Kearn) remarried in QC in 1838 to Winnifred Daly, also an Irish
immigrant who was a widow. Unfortunately, the marriage registration does
not state their parent's names as is usual, but only gives the name of the
deceased spouse.



Winnifred's first marriage had been in 1834 in QC to a Thomas Horan, son of
Matthew Horan (1777 -1854) and Mary Gallagher (1774-1834), both of whom are
buried in St. Louis Cemetery in QC. Since Kearn was 22 years older than
Winnifred, he might have married his younger brother's widow.



They lived for a short while in Frampton Twp., about 30 miles south of QC,
and then moved to Albion Twp. Ontario, some 40 miles NW of Toronto. There is
a great website about the Frampton Irish immigrant families who then moved
on to other places in Canada and the USA (www.framptonirish.com).



There is no indication anywhere as to the parish in King's County where
Kearn (Kyran, Ciaran, etc) might have come from, and I don't even know where
to start.



I am guessing that at least three families were in the same location; Horan,
Kildoyle, Gallagher.



Any suggestions?


Thanks again
Ted Klich

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From: "JaneL" <lyons...@iol.ie>

To: "Carlow Kildare Kilkenny Laois Offaly Ireland Genealogy"

[Ted Klich]

Hello All

First of all Jane, I appreciate all your work and efforts, since I have got
many ideas from you. We are all grateful to you.

Am researching the name Talbot in the Parish of Clogh, Castlecomer, County
Kilkenny, and also the name McNamara.



Bridget Talbot was married to John McNamara in the Townland of Crutt in
Clogh Parish. They had 17 children one of the youngest of which was my wife's
Great-Grandfather Martin McNamara (b. May 18, 1835).



John "disappeared" during the troubles, and around 1840, Bridget came to
Canada with the youngest of her children, and they settled in Adjala
Township ( an Irish immigrant township) in Peel County, Ontario, about 50
miles northwest of Toronto. It appears that some of the older ones had
already emigrated to there.



I have gone through the Clogh Parish record at the FHL, but they only start
at 1817, and are incomplete with gaps, and so cannot find any marriage
record which would show Bridget's parents, or any baptismal record for
Bridget.



There were some other Talbot baptisms, but no way of connecting them to
Bridget.





I have also research the 1823 Tithe Applotment Book for the Parish of
Castlecomer (which included Crutt at that time), and found John McNamara in
Crutt, and living close-by in Crutt was James Phelan Talbot, and another
James Talbot. I don't know if they were Bridget's father or brothers. They
were gone in the 1847 Griffith's Valuation.



Does anyone have anything on these Talbots?



The Talbots were Normans, and the family started out at Malahide Castle in
Dublin Co., and had established branches in Co. Kilkenny and 2 other
Counties.



Does anyone know if there are any histories compiled or published about the
Kilkenny branch of the Talbot Family?


Thanks
Ted Klich, IBM (Irish By Marriage)

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